Good for them, I say and a pox on all the morons wo actually voted for the Conservative party.
CBC's Anti-Harper Bias
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Good for them, I say and a pox on all the morons wo actually voted for the Conservative party.
I will grant you the point about CBC providing radio service in places private enterprise would not go, and in languages private enterprise would not attempt.
And, I usually watch the National rather than the other news programs.
BUT there is clear evidence of bias there, and my doubts about a State broadcaster remain..............
I mean, the Liberals actually tried to put a news censor in place after the APEC fiasco.
Yeah, BTW, let's vote THEM back in.
Well of course CBC has a bias. What else would you expect? Every media outlet has a bias. They're all run by ordinary human beings, who have biases, and opinions, and commercial interests they have to satisfy, and political interests they have to satisfy... There's no such thing as completely objective reporting, and there cannot be. There's a lot going on in the world, and the people running the mass media have to make decisions about what to report on, in how much detail, and of course the result will display their biases. That's why you can't rely on just one source, you have to sample a range of them. And if you don't, you're just displaying your own biases.
I routinely sample CBC, CTV, Global, Fox, CNN, my local newspaper, the Toronto Globe&Mail, Maclean's magazine, and Time magazine, most of them daily, or at least weekly for those sources that publish weekly, and a variety of others less frequently. It's often very interesting how the different outlets report on the same story.
And in defence of the CBC, I'd agree that it tends to be somewhat leftist, as these things are usually defined, but it regularly comes closer to pure objectivity than anybody else does. It's a very high quality source for news and information, one of the best in the world, and it deserves respect and support.
I routinely sample CBC, CTV, Global, Fox, CNN, my local newspaper, the Toronto Globe&Mail, Maclean's magazine, and Time magazine, most of them daily, or at least weekly for those sources that publish weekly, and a variety of others less frequently. It's often very interesting how the different outlets report on the same story.
And in defence of the CBC, I'd agree that it tends to be somewhat leftist, as these things are usually defined, but it regularly comes closer to pure objectivity than anybody else does. It's a very high quality source for news and information, one of the best in the world, and it deserves respect and support.
The fact that only people with a left wing slant on this forum are defending the CBC is just further proof of the CBC's bias.
If the CBC wants to survive, they should become self sufficient. Being left wing biased wouldn't bother me as much as the fact that my tax dollars are funding this liberal mouthpiece.
If the CBC wants to survive, they should become self sufficient. Being left wing biased wouldn't bother me as much as the fact that my tax dollars are funding this liberal mouthpiece.
Colpy
I guess you would rather see the American way of life.
CBC wants to give the Canadian view of what’s going on.
Now we have private broadcasters that have a lot of American programming.
Maybe you are not satisfied with the Canadian red and white you would like to add the blue and that is why you are against a government run television network.
Keeping the CBC is the best investment Canadians can do.
[FONT="]So does Molson Canadian, and Tim Hortons. Isn’t marketing great. Without Coca-Cola there would be no Santa Clause. God Bless capitalism.
[/FONT]So the question is why is the CBC creating propaganda. Is this artistic liberty is it driven by some other interest behind the scenes.
There are media codes of ethics, and complaints can be lodged with various press or broadcast standards councils. I don’t suppose that any of the anti-Harper bias folks here have done the work and filed a complaint.
If I recall, sometime ago Harper said that he and his ministers would not meet with national media because the media were so biased. Guess nobody in the Harper government filed complaints either.
Guess it’s easier to whine about imagined bias than to make a case for its existence.
Besides, it’s not anti-Harper, it’s anti-government. It works the same for all parties. All truth may not be newsworthy, but when governments start dealing in truth then maybe media will start reporting it.
Just this morning a story reported that our Minister of Defense has been spinning rubbish for months. His justification for Canadian forces handing captured Afghani prisoners over to the Afghani governments was that the International Red Cross monitors prisoner treatment and would report any abuse to the Canadian government. The International Red Cross/Red Crescent says that they don’t make reports to third party countries. Gee, if the minister held regular press conferences with the national media then maybe somebody would have asked to see the report he was talking about--and talked about repeatedly for months. Does anybody know the size of the Ministry Communications Branch, the Minister’s office staff and the number of special communications assistants? Does anybody think a minister’s public opinions and explanations happen by accident? I wonder just what it is that the minister defends—a government by and for an informed electorate no doubt.
Of course none of this makes a case that the CBC is an efficient organization with huge creative and technical talents.
If I recall, sometime ago Harper said that he and his ministers would not meet with national media because the media were so biased. Guess nobody in the Harper government filed complaints either.
Guess it’s easier to whine about imagined bias than to make a case for its existence.
Besides, it’s not anti-Harper, it’s anti-government. It works the same for all parties. All truth may not be newsworthy, but when governments start dealing in truth then maybe media will start reporting it.
Just this morning a story reported that our Minister of Defense has been spinning rubbish for months. His justification for Canadian forces handing captured Afghani prisoners over to the Afghani governments was that the International Red Cross monitors prisoner treatment and would report any abuse to the Canadian government. The International Red Cross/Red Crescent says that they don’t make reports to third party countries. Gee, if the minister held regular press conferences with the national media then maybe somebody would have asked to see the report he was talking about--and talked about repeatedly for months. Does anybody know the size of the Ministry Communications Branch, the Minister’s office staff and the number of special communications assistants? Does anybody think a minister’s public opinions and explanations happen by accident? I wonder just what it is that the minister defends—a government by and for an informed electorate no doubt.
Of course none of this makes a case that the CBC is an efficient organization with huge creative and technical talents.
Broadcast journalism and its outlets are allowed bias - to offer opinion and editorial matters which
cater to a segment of the population which finds their information deliveries comfortable and many people feel well informed hearing the words they prefer to hear.
That is the basis of all journalism - even as fair and broadminded as some old journalists attempt to maintain in their work - they have to find their audience or other work. It is the name of the biz.
What my primary objection about the CBC is: They are not a private organization,a corporation who can promote the deeds of Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe, turning him into a folk hero if they wish....
...they are a publicly funded enterprise, a government sponsored entity. and for that very reason, they should strive to deliver balanced, across the board, factual information even if it gives them hernias! All the people contribute to their paychecks....all the people should be served.
cater to a segment of the population which finds their information deliveries comfortable and many people feel well informed hearing the words they prefer to hear.
That is the basis of all journalism - even as fair and broadminded as some old journalists attempt to maintain in their work - they have to find their audience or other work. It is the name of the biz.
What my primary objection about the CBC is: They are not a private organization,a corporation who can promote the deeds of Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe, turning him into a folk hero if they wish....
...they are a publicly funded enterprise, a government sponsored entity. and for that very reason, they should strive to deliver balanced, across the board, factual information even if it gives them hernias! All the people contribute to their paychecks....all the people should be served.
I distrust a broadcaster that is bought and paid for by the media conglomerates that have their own agenda....somewhat interesting that coming from where you do, Colpy, you would imply that private broadcasters are somehow less biased? Where do you get YOUR local news?
I take many of the CBC commentators as having their own bias - remember Jason Moskovitz, who was so obviously grovelling to the Liberals until he was hired by them? That was painfully embarrassing. Don't trust any media sources, you have to filter them based on their own bias, much like this site.
That said, I find that CBC television is of limited value these days. CBC radio still has a mission and a prescence that others don't. CBC Newsworld is, in my opinion, pretty much a complete waste of bandwidth, if you're expecting to see news.
FOX, on the other hand, is an utter disgrace. All day long, all they want to broadcast is whatever tragedy/shooting/car chase/scandal that they can dredge up....if some 4 year old in lower rat's ass gets bitten by a hamster, they'll make a live report for hours....and that's not news worthy of a national broadcast.
Who could watch that crap all day long? I often stop for lunch in the middle of the day at a certain local establishment (Colpy - it's the one with the good tenderloin tips on Fridays), and one of the TVs is always on FOX. I guess that's so you are guaranteed to feel ill.
Between Anna Nicole Smith, and the tragedy of the day, it keeps them going.
The first clip shows that Harper is a liar.
He said and it is written right on the screen that we can't take positions based on polls.
Would the PM like to answer why he cut Liberal environmental programs and then hastily re-introduced them when polls showed Canadians were concerned about the environment?
He said and it is written right on the screen that we can't take positions based on polls.
Would the PM like to answer why he cut Liberal environmental programs and then hastily re-introduced them when polls showed Canadians were concerned about the environment?
I like this clip on the same page......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvE9EN4YPGM&mode=related&search=
It was the same so called pro Liberal CBC that ambushed Jean Cretien in one of his first year town hall meetings, I wonder if any of you remember that or when funding for CBC was cut by the same PM?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvE9EN4YPGM&mode=related&search=
It was the same so called pro Liberal CBC that ambushed Jean Cretien in one of his first year town hall meetings, I wonder if any of you remember that or when funding for CBC was cut by the same PM?
I do remember Peter Gzowski interviewing Chretien, and Gzowski losing his cool, banging his fist on the table, and saying, "God damn it, Mr Prime Minister..." after which they had a sudden musical break while Gzowski tried to cool down.
How true..and If you say they are Bias you get thrown "how bias is the Fox network" as somehow 1. it deflects that the cbc is not bias and 2. whatever a u.s. network has to do with it?
The cbc is very left wing, and as said above, only defended by left wing people who live and eat the bias slant the cbc news team has.
Yes there bias is mainly the National, as the continually say that are fully covering the story. The news cast is about 10 mins of "real" news followed by 50 mins of opinion, wrapped up as new..
I truely find the only tv news in Canada close to "just the facts" is CTV, were coverage is good, too the point without using millions of tax dollars. to broadcast to thousands of people.
Hey and when the Cbc does get a show right....they move it to 4 or 5 different time slots, finish seasons in mid Feb. and wonder why there is no audience!!!
First of all, "bias" is a noun. The adjective, is "biased".
CBC is a "partly" government funded network. They have to be to provide service to remote towns and villages in the north and far north as well as service in native languages.
Can Canada afford to have all the major news networks controlled by multinational(read U.S.) corporations? I don't think we can.
Colpy
I gave up listening to CBC radio when every second "informed commentary" came from someone with a distinctly Semitic tone of name.....same with the Globe and Mail ...or Grope and Flail as a friend told me they're actually referred to around the free world...
If governments..."states" control media.....whom do you think represents the largest ethnic group in Canadian media ...
If "Media" can be used to influence public opinion and potentially political outcomes....why is the predominance of one sector of people from a little nation over near Iraq so obviously slanted?
Do you really believe that there can be such a thing as a truly "free press"....? Doesn't the old saw about ...follow the money apply to media...TV...radio....print media....?
I gave up listening to CBC radio when every second "informed commentary" came from someone with a distinctly Semitic tone of name.....same with the Globe and Mail ...or Grope and Flail as a friend told me they're actually referred to around the free world...
If governments..."states" control media.....whom do you think represents the largest ethnic group in Canadian media ...
If "Media" can be used to influence public opinion and potentially political outcomes....why is the predominance of one sector of people from a little nation over near Iraq so obviously slanted?
Do you really believe that there can be such a thing as a truly "free press"....? Doesn't the old saw about ...follow the money apply to media...TV...radio....print media....?