Catholic End Time Prophecy

[Dexter Sinister]

I asked the question only because you offered a quote directly from the bible that stated that Adam would "surely die" if he ate the apple. Unless you paraphrased and left out the part regarding immediate death, then the comment about dying that same day is your interpretation.

I cited the exact wording in the King James version. Look it up and see for yourself.

How many deaths/murders were perpetrated in the Old Testament? I can't tell you, but surely you must have an idea. That said, the death toll for Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot and Mao represent can be reasonably assessed... Care to compare?

Sure, read this: The Teapot Atheist: Anonymous wanted a body count total, so he will get one. The count's about 20 to 1, theism over atheism, according to that estimate.

I am entirely familiar with "what science is and how it works"....

Pardon me if I'm a little skeptical of that claim. You don't write or think (assuming your writing is a reflection of your thinking) like someone who understands the scientific process, though your next sentence, "For those that are familiar, they promote the attitude that it is continuously evolving and developing.", is correct.

It sounds to me that you may buy into the notion that because 'science' says it's fact, it is and will never, ever change.

Must be something wrong with your hearing then, or you're not thinking clearly and imputing beliefs and motives to me on the basis of wishful thinking rather than evidence. I have never said any such thing, nor would I, in fact I've said repeatedly, as you'd know if you'd been around here longer, that all knowledge but the trivial is provisional to some degree.

 

[MHz]

It could be argued that if these words were spoken on that same day then it was a death sentence. With God, words like that cannot and are not repented.
Ge:3:19:
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread,
till thou return unto the ground;
for out of it wast thou taken:
for dust thou art,
and unto dust shalt thou return.

From that moment on he came closer and closer to becoming dust. Satan was also given a death sentence that day.

Ge:3:14:
And the LORD God said unto the serpent,
Because thou hast done this,
thou art cursed above all cattle,
and above every beast of the field;
upon thy belly shalt thou go,
and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

The count's about 20 to 1, theism over atheism, according to that estimate.

Once you take the deaths on both sides into account God's score should be a lot higher. One instance has an Angel taking out 180,000 in one night without any losses.
That record still stands today does it not?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Once you take the deaths on both sides into account God's score should be a lot higher. One instance has an Angel taking out 180,000 in one night without any losses. That record still stands today does it not?

Uh... And that's a good thing, that god kills more people than atheists do?

 

[Cliffy]

Uh... And that's a good thing, that god kills more people than atheists do?

Yes, "the lord giveth and the lord taketh away" - a little schizophrenic but, Hey!, we are talking about a guy who made people imperfect, told them to act perfect or he would bring down unimaginable horrors upon them for acting the way he created them. Can anybody with a lick of sense explain why people believe in this retard?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Quoting MHz Once you take the deaths on both sides into account God's score should be a lot higher. One instance has an Angel taking out 180,000 in one night without any losses. That record still stands today does it not?


Uh... And that's a good thing, that god kills more people than atheists do?

Dexter, according to Christian prophesy (I don’t recall whether Catholic or Protestant), in the Armageddon that will follow the coming of the Christ, 1/3rd of earth’s population will be killed. So as of today’s count, God is going to kill 2 billion human beings.

If you think that God has done any serious killing yet (serious for God), you are very much mistaken. You ain’t seen nothing yet.

 

[El Barto]

Reading the bible and psycho analizing God , one could come to the conclusion he's bi-polar 8O.

 

[shadowshiv]

Wow.8O Who would have thought that a religious spam post would have started so much discussion?;-):lol:

 

[s_lone]

Reading the bible and psycho analizing God , one could come to the conclusion he's bi-polar 8O.

Can you really blame God for his erratic behavior? The poor guy has no parents and prior to the Genesis, the only stability he had ever known was the inexistence of the world. Talk about feeling empty! Unstable emotional behavior can only be expected in this type of scenario. On a particularly lonely day, God decided to create the world and give its human inhabitants free will. But that was a BIG MISTAKE!!! Humans quickly became a wicked bunch and God became bitter and had to punish humans very often with absolutely no mercy.

However, after a few thousand years, God started getting used to managing the world and figured it was time to have a baby to learn how to love unconditionally (remember he couldn't have learned love from his non-existing parents). Since there was no Goddess he had to impregnate a human virgin who would give birth to his son. So Jesus came and God decided he would live through him and with him to better understand what it feels like to be human.

God had good intentions... He wanted to get closer to humans by living among them. But you all know what happened next right? God-Jesus was banged on a cross! Some way to thank your creator for existing!!!

God forgave us, but he sure didn't forget what we did to his son. We pissed him off big time and now the price to pay is God's constant sulking.

 

[captain morgan]

I cited the exact wording in the King James version. Look it up and see for yourself.

MHz did us the favour:

Ge:3:19:
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread,
till thou return unto the ground;
for out of it wast thou taken:
for dust thou art,
and unto dust shalt thou return.

Think about it: "till thou return unto the ground;"..Does not sound like instant death does it?... In fact the previous sentence suggests that Adam/Eve will have enough time to work-up a sweat and have a little lunch before they are going to be killed... Considering that bread is mentioned in terms of being part of the punishment, I'm guessing that they will have to collect whatever grains are around, grind 'em up and make some bread.

...So, where's the immediate death here?

Sure, read this: The Teapot Atheist: Anonymous wanted a body count total, so he will get one. The count's about 20 to 1, theism over atheism, according to that estimate.

The teapot atheist... No bias there right? Well, let's put your scientific source to the test.

Non-theological stats from WW 1: Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls

Census estimates from non-theological sources:International Programs

Add-in the #'s for stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, Mao etc... Multiply that # by 20 and go back to the census stats and see if that contention makes any sense at all.

Hint: Try relying on non-bias sources for your info., unless of course that is your understanding of how 'science' really works.

 

[captain morgan]

Yes, "the lord giveth and the lord taketh away" - a little schizophrenic but, Hey!, we are talking about a guy who made people imperfect, told them to act perfect or he would bring down unimaginable horrors upon them for acting the way he created them. Can anybody with a lick of sense explain why people believe in this retard?

Have you followed the war crimes trial of one of the former Khmer Rouge senior torturers?.. Nice non-religious treatment of the guests including burying the victims up to their necks, lighting their exposed heads on fire and cooking their lunch over the flames.

.. I suppose that you could stampede buffalo over them instead to grant them a quicker death, just for the humanity of it...

And you deride religion... How quaint.

 

[MHz]

Uh... And that's a good thing, that god kills more people than atheists do?

The good thing is that God can undo those acts. You may notice that after the deaths caused by the taking of the land called Israel the killing stopped. You're the one keeping stats, I just want to make sure you include all the data.

Try bring the end-times up at one of those meetings, maybe you are the reason it is never mentiobed. Rather than say Scripture is bull**** treat it as fiction but what is the one story it tells. If they have an opinion about any of the list in post #1 then it shouldn't be stony silence.

Yes, "the lord giveth and the lord taketh away" - a little schizophrenic but, Hey!, we are talking about a guy who made people imperfect, told them to act perfect or he would bring down unimaginable horrors upon them for acting the way he created them. Can anybody with a lick of sense explain why people believe in this retard?

Um, if you are talking about death, the taking away was caused by events that happened on God's day-off. At least He kept His word and condemning Satan to the lake certainly shows He was displeased. If He was as you describe your calling Him a retard would most likely influence which place you end up in. The good news for you is He will also keep His word about resurrection being for everybody (just to keep the playing field level), the not so good-news is that your's doesn't have to be at the top of the list, it could be put much closer to the bottom. In Heaven you can be called 'great' or 'least'. Both are good spots to be in but I'm quite sure there is no great reward for being in the group called 'the least', so why aim for it purposefully?

Dexter, according to Christian prophesy (I don’t recall whether Catholic or Protestant), in the Armageddon that will follow the coming of the Christ, 1/3rd of earth’s population will be killed. So as of today’s count, God is going to kill 2 billion human beings.

If you think that God has done any serious killing yet (serious for God), you are very much mistaken. You ain’t seen nothing yet.

In one day, the big dif being the dead will remember. You have the number correct, not the right ratio but that is only important if you are interested in looking deeper (taking more verses into account) Satan kills 1/3 of man in the space of 3 1/2 years, with a 6B population that is 2B, leaving 4. Christ comes along and takes 2/3 of them, that equals a bit more than 2.5 B. Even though the number is slightly bigger the real difference in strength is that it is accomplished in hours and not years. That is a ratio thats into the single-digit thousands. (hrs/yr). They die in a variety of ways also, melting, being stepped on, one swipe of His sword. Satan has spend his time chasing what God would consider a woman when it comes to being able to wage galactic sized wars. (that's what a war in Heaven would be, the fallen angels on earth were taken care of (also until the end of Satan's days) at the time of Noah's flood. If one fallen angel can manifest into something a big as a horse and number 50M then we are women when it comes to being able to kick it's collective ass anywhere.

Reading the bible and psycho analizing God , one could come to the conclusion he's bi-polar 8O.

What is it when you refer to yourself as being a 3rd person, like you just did in the above quote? That is truly scary....The one you mention includes yourself right? Actually you should be the #1 name on the 'list' if there ever is one.

I'm pretty sure most realize already that a thread about God is on this board is just a replacement for a dart-board in a very busy pub. Just how bored are you people? The godless discussing god, now that HAS to be in Scripture somewhere.

 

[MHz]

Have you followed the war crimes trial of one of the former Khmer Rouge senior torturers?.. Nice non-religious treatment of the guests including burying the victims up to their necks, lighting their exposed heads on fire and cooking their lunch over the flames.

I'm sure lol. Food from smoke of hair, yummy.

 

[MHz]

MHz did us the favour:

DS referenced this verse, it does seem to indicate that very day. I still contend the day Adam had eternal life taken away was the day he started to die. Even if death took the most part of 1,000 years it is nothing compared to eternity. Plus had already said they were to multiply, they did and then they died.

Anyway this is the verse he referenced.
Ge:2:17:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,
thou shalt not eat of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Since this is in GE:2 it can also be argued that it was completed in that the presence of God was taken away from both of them, like the temple when Jesus walked out after saying it was left desolate.

 

[captain morgan]

Fair enough.. My knowlege of the scriptures is a little rusty to say the least. However, the reality is that we are interpreting a story that was written long ago. Your suggestion that 'death' was represented through falling from grace is a more likely expln as opposed to the literal meaning we employ today.

This is where I am making my point in that it is erroneous for anyone to apply the contemporary interpretations/values that we hold as the end-all-be-all for a document that was written way back then.

BTW - I do have to agree with you about the irony in "the Godless talking about God"... It kinda goes back to my point about those that claim not to care take such pains and expend so much energy to convince themselves of something in which they don't believe.

 

[s_lone]

BTW - I do have to agree with you about the irony in "the Godless talking about God"... It kinda goes back to my point about those that claim not to care take such pains and expend so much energy to convince themselves of something in which they don't believe.

Has it ever occured to you that some of ''the Godless'' might simply have a different understanding of what God is? And that this understanding is not chained dogmatically to Christian Scripture?

 

[s_lone]

I'm pretty sure most realize already that a thread about God is on this board is just a replacement for a dart-board in a very busy pub. Just how bored are you people? The godless discussing god, now that HAS to be in Scripture somewhere.

See comment above...

 

[MHz]

Has it ever occured to you that some of ''the Godless'' might simply have a different understanding of what God is? And that this understanding is not chained dogmatically to Christian Scripture?

In a general way you are correct, even Satan has some people see him as their god (extreme greed is one of their ways). I guess the title threw me off as it being a thread trolling for Christians.
Catholic End Time Prophecy


I would think the term god, God, GOD, lord, Lord, LORD all belong to the Holy Bible . Don't you have to come up with a new name. Godless can be different that ungodly.
Ungodly does things that God call abominations, on purpose, that is what they like to do, they get pleasure while others suffer (from the same event). Godless doesn't make you unrighteous, at least automatically, and if you do not know God's standards you cannot purposefully break them, in theory if you don't know Him, you can't praise or slander Him.

 

[captain morgan]

Has it ever occured to you that some of ''the Godless'' might simply have a different understanding of what God is? And that this understanding is not chained dogmatically to Christian Scripture?

If the content of this thread had anything to do with a simple exchange of ideas, my aforementioned observations wouldn't exist.

The reality is that those that don't support or follow any kind of religious following leap at the opportunity to deride and abuse those that have any kind of faith.... There is no way that the comments (that I have posted too) represent a "different understanding of what God is" as opposed to an attack.

... If the topic of this thread was focused on race or gender and the the nature of the responses were as we see presently, you'd be screaming racism or bigot... Why not now? Why this tremendous effort to justify the abuse?

BTW - Such that you know, I am not the defender of religion although
I was raised Catholic (but haven't practiced in over 20 years)... This is about the intolerance of a select group that sees fit to bash others for a personal faith.

 

[s_lone]

I would think the term god, God, GOD, lord, Lord, LORD all belong to the Holy Bible .

I would disagree. If the words ''God'' or ''Lord'' are to be understood as being the ultimate source of reality, I don't see why the Bible would have a monopoly of the concept and the words that represent them. Because in the end, the word represents a concept (grounded in reality or not) and the concept is too large and especially too important for one religion to have monopoly over it.

 

[s_lone]

If the content of this thread had anything to do with a simple exchange of ideas, my aforementioned observations wouldn't exist.

The reality is that those that don't support or follow any kind of religious following leap at the opportunity to deride and abuse those that have any kind of faith.... There is no way that the comments (that I have posted too) represent a "different understanding of what God is" as opposed to an attack.

... If the topic of this thread was focused on race or gender and the the nature of the responses were as we see presently, you'd be screaming racism or bigot... Why not now? Why this tremendous effort to justify the abuse?

BTW - Such that you know, I am not the defender of religion although
I was raised Catholic (but haven't practiced in over 20 years)... This is about the intolerance of a select group that sees fit to bash others for a personal faith.

I will accept correction if needed, but the way I understand it, the Christian discussion section is made to discuss subjects relating to the Christian faith, yet, one does not need to have Christian faith to discuss it. While respect and tolerance are to be practiced, they shouldn't get in the way of real critique. One can find aspects of the Christian faith incoherent or downright ridiculous and one has the right to say it.