Cash store crooks ordered to repay $1 million.

JLM

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That should fix itself. The lower you place the cap on interest rates, the less interested businesses will be to lend money to people with bad credit, as it should be.


I think that many people with a bad credit rating don't understand how interest rates work, they see being about to borrow say $200 for two weeks for $10 interest as a good deal whereas it's F**KIN' criminal. In actuality anything over 80 cents would be criminal.
 

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I think that many people with a bad credit rating don't understand how interest rates work, they see being about to borrow say $200 for two weeks for $10 interest as a good deal whereas it's F**KIN' criminal. In actuality anything over 80 cents would be criminal.

And placing a reasonable legal cap on interest rates would put an end to legal loansharking, and so help to protect the poor. Loansharks just won'tbe interested in loaning at such low rates anymore.
 

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"That's because B.C. regulations prohibit payday lenders from charging more than 23 per cent interest per month." Jeepers! How very magnanimous of the BC gov't to limit interest rate charges to 23% per month.

The SCoC just announced they will hear a class action suit brought by Alberta clients.
They tried to avoid this as they have an arbitration clause, the Govt has to accede to their request for arbitration. The Govt refused their request twice.
 

JLM

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And placing a reasonable legal cap on interest rates would put an end to legal loansharking, and so help to protect the poor. Loansharks just won'tbe interested in loaning at such low rates anymore.


I'm not sure what the best answer is for it, maybe set a maximum rate at 10% per annum (including handling and service charges), it would stop the theft and might just get people motivated to improve their credit rating.
 

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How much business risk is associated with those least likely to pay it back?
 

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Think about this for a minute the loan sharks would be charging a lot more.
No I don't think they need sympathy they are parasites. For the poor it
becomes a tredmill pay the loan and interest, borrow before the end of the
month and pay the loan and interest. We need to teach some people how
to manage money and society would be a lot better off


I see one problem, I'm betting some of the ones who are willing to pay these criminal rates are the same ones that want everything now.

How much business risk is associated with those least likely to pay it back?


Probably not much as I think there is probably a limit of perhaps a few $hundred. (And you can't travel too far when you're broke)
 

Ron in Regina

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Cash Store ordered to pay $1M for illegal payday loans - British Columbia - CBC News


These bastards were charging customer 23% interest per month. 23% per annum is bordering on criminal! Why aren't these bastards in jail? Is there any way the working poor can organize and starve these bastards out of business?

23% per month? That's less than 300% per annum. That's not bad assuming
that is factoring in the fee's as interest. For small loans, factoring in the fee's and
such and calling those interest, on a short term....then working that out as if per
annum....might be 2000% or more.

How much business risk is associated with those least likely to pay it back?

That depends on the skill & experience (and tenacity) of the employee's at
any given location.

I'm not sure what the best answer is for it, maybe set a maximum rate at 10% per annum (including handling and service charges), it would stop the theft and might just get people motivated to improve their credit rating.

Just get the major banks to offer tiny (to them) loans (of $200-$700 for example)
for short periods (1/2 a month or so) to people with no (or horrendous) credit and
no assets or collateral...for a maximum rate of 10% per annum (including handling
and service charges). That would be funny. Have the Gov't mandate that they have
to do it.

What would a bank do when someone doesn't repay?

I think that many people with a bad credit rating don't understand how interest rates work, they see being about to borrow say $200 for two weeks for $10 interest as a good deal whereas it's F**KIN' criminal. In actuality anything over 80 cents would be criminal.

If you are willing to roll the dice and start lending out $200 a pop for two
week periods for $10 interest for that two weeks (which is about 130%
per annum) to random people you've just meet....then get yourself a
storefront and a sign 'cuz there's obviously a market.

I agree, it absolutely takes two. But we (society) shouldn't be legitimizing it either. If we're going to legally allow what I call "fringe financing" businesses, perhaps we want to take the time to determine limits on what they can charge? At least, let's see if we can't make it on the fairer side of what the Gambino Family might be charging, ya know? Lol.

The Gambino Family wouldn't touch 99% of the patrons of the Payday Loan
industry, as it wouldn't be worth the time to chase them over the dollar figures
involved, and (I'm assuming) wouldn't have the knowledge base to legally do
anything about the debt anyway. The Gambino Family wouldn't take those kind
of risks I'm assuming.

Think about this for a minute the loan sharks would be charging a lot more.
No I don't think they need sympathy they are parasites. For the poor it
becomes a tredmill pay the loan and interest, borrow before the end of the
month and pay the loan and interest. We need to teach some people how
to manage money and society would be a lot better off

Excellent post! Credit counseling to those 'treadmill' borrowers by the employee's
in the Payday Loan industry (who don't want to be burned either) to show the folks
that if you borrow less each time (and such up some financial pain), you can ween
yourself off the Loan Teet.
 

SLM

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The Gambino Family wouldn't touch 99% of the patrons of the Payday Loan
industry, as it wouldn't be worth the time to chase them over the dollar figures
involved, and (I'm assuming) wouldn't have the knowledge base to legally do
anything about the debt anyway.

I've never used it but I'm pretty sure they find a way to snatch the repayment off your next paycheque as soon as it hits the bank. I don't see these places lasting long if you're waiting for people to come in and payback a loan.

The Gambino Family wouldn't take those kind
of risks I'm assuming.
LOL. When the mob is more conservative than the payday loan people.......
 

Ron in Regina

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Oh yeah, it's not just the poor as most people think of them using this industry.
It's a much larger segment of society. Chances are, it's your Family and your
Neighbours. People with good jobs and good (but overextended) credit are
much of the customers.
 

SLM

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Oh yeah, it's not just the poor as most people think of them using this industry.
It's a much larger segment of society. Chances are, it's your Family and your
Neighbours. People with good jobs and good (but overextended) credit are
much of the customers.

It doesn't really matter who is using it, they are nearly impossible to get out from under.
 

Ron in Regina

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It doesn't really matter who is using it, they are nearly impossible to get out from under.

Actually, no. They're are nearly impossible to get out from under, if you're not
willing to do so. People can and do ween themselves off of Payday Loans.
The employees at a local level will help their clients do so, as it beats having
to chase them, and there's always more business coming through the door.

I have worked in this industry, and then opened and managed a store for the
same company in the O.P. in the past.
 
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That should fix itself. The lower you place the cap on interest rates, the less interested businesses will be to lend money to people with bad credit, as it should be.

How exactly does that fix the need of people with bad credit to obtain money when they need it?
 

Ron in Regina

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I think that many people with a bad credit rating don't understand how interest rates work, they see being about to borrow say $200 for two weeks for $10 interest as a good deal whereas it's F**KIN' criminal. In actuality anything over 80 cents would be criminal.

I've been out'a this game for a long time now, but a decade or so back (the
last time I bothered to check) the Criminal Code of Canada drew the line for
'Loan Sharking' at 60% per annum. Your $10 interest on $200 for two weeks
would put you at double what the CC of C set at the time.

The BC rule in the LINK in the OP (23%/month) was an eye opener. Things
have changed over time.

LOL. When the mob is more conservative than the payday loan people.......

It is kind'a funny though, isn't it. The mob isn't lending out money and try'n to
minimize its losses through volume, and just how much would the mob pay
someone to go out and find someone, and then collect on a $200 debt?

How much would someone have to pay you to find someone and collect on
a $200 unsecured loan? How much to make it worth your time? I'm not try'n
to be a ****, but just looking for perspective.
 

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The quickest way to get rid of them is for everybody to take out a loan and switch banks so they don't get paid back.
 

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And placing a reasonable legal cap on interest rates would put an end to legal loansharking, and so help to protect the poor. Loansharks just won'tbe interested in loaning at such low rates anymore.
Loansharks still won't give a damn. Payday loans have probably saved many a kneecap from a beating - and it's those very same people who don't return the loot who have the next guy paying more. Laws are much too easy on deadbeats.
 

Ron in Regina

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The quickest way to get rid of them is for everybody to take out a loan and switch banks so they don't get paid back.

Wouldn't that make everybody a criminal? That would lead to a whole lot
more Small Claims Court suits (at $20 a pop) with most being default
judgments. Wouldn't be hard to prove intent, and if a Payday Loan
location filed & dealt with 50/morning all in a row....repeatedly, they'd get
very good at it in a short amount of time. Could most likely make it through
50/session before the meter ran out for parking at the court house.
 

SLM

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I've been out'a this game for a long time now, but a decade or so back (the
last time I bothered to check) the Criminal Code of Canada drew the line for
'Loan Sharking' at 60% per annum. Your $10 interest on $200 for two weeks
would put you at double what the CC of C set at the time.

The BC rule in the LINK in the OP (23%/month) was an eye opener. Things
have changed over time.

What is the percentage of a paycheque that you could get a loan for? I think I remember at one time that I'd heard it was in the neighbourhood of 60% or 70%.

It is kind'a funny though, isn't it. The mob isn't lending out money and try'n to
minimize its losses through volume, and just how much would the mob pay
someone to go out and find someone, and then collect on a $200 debt?

How much would someone have to pay you to find someone and collect on
a $200 unsecured loan? How much to make it worth your time? I'm not try'n
to be a ****, but just looking for perspective.
In all seriousness, the mob doesn't do loan small loans like that. Plus you don't really need collateral with them, basically anyone with kneecaps has collateral, right? Also, I think they tend to do things like lend you 5 grand and tell you you owe them 10 grand back.