It doesn't. Gore has nothing to do with anything we might be talking about.
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What don't I have #Juan? Do you have one #Juan?
I have no idea whether or not Sagan disagreed with Maxwell, Hertz and Lorentz. Do you? By all means share your insight into Mr Sagan's opinions on Maxwell, Hertz and Lorentz and what makes up the ether that Einstein was also baffled by.
I liked Sagan. He was an excellent orator and story teller that gave the grandeur of the cosmos it's fair due. I've read his books both non-fiction and fiction and enjoyed them very much.
As I've said before I have no opinion on what form the universe has or it's origins. There are multiple theories and I'm just going to kick back and watch it all unfold due to the fact that sciences are merely in their infancy. Hopefully in my lifetime I'll get to see it hit puberty.
You can make an asshole out of yourself all you want and insult my lack of opinion or Beaver's opinions all you want but keep in mind that the door is still wide open when it comes to the form and origin of OUR universe and any scientist will tell you that unless he is an arrogant son of a bitch.
But you are #juan. Spit and polish my boy and don't smudge the laces. If you do a good job I'll tell you about the burning dirty snowballs again. Santa Claus gets the same treatment from me as Sagan. The approval of the ruling mob at Cornell and the Pulitzer prize for science fiction, I'm aghast, those recommendations condemn him instantly as a hack.
Science is just as much mental masturbation as religion is. It is all speculation by minds too small to comprehend the infinite. Hell we are too small to contemplate our navels with any accuracy. We cannot agree on the level of our own intelligence.
The link irrefutably supports exactly what I've maintained in the thread. The list of Sagans ten best contributions is odd to say the least in that it does not contain even one scientific scrape everyone of the sited examples are Public Relations or entertainment accomplishments. He discovered nothing with respect to Venus or Mars and I challenge you to produce just one original concept from the man.
They didn't list Voyageur 1 or 2?
There is too much "belief" and that's why call it (science) still infantile.
I read that when it came out and mercifully forgot it as soon as I closed the cover. I read everyone of his pulp offerings. Why do you think I'm angry whenever his name is connected to science, it's because long ago I actually cared about what he said. Sagan introduced me to Velikovsky and that is the extent of his scientific influence.
As usual, you haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about. Sagan has 500 scientific publications in legitimate refereed science journals to his credit, including a substantial number (67) in serious heavyweights like Science and Nature, an average of 12.5 scientific publications a year in his working life. His popular works and fascination with what would have been career-killing fields--exobiology and SETI--for a lesser scientist earned him a certain amount of scorn from the scientific establishment and almost certainly resulted in his not being elected to the National Academy of Science, but the man's contributions to planetary science are real and substantial. In addition, he received 23 honourary degrees, and 89 assorted prizes, fellowships, and awards. Hardly what you'd expect of an idiot, though I've little doubt you'll just dismiss it all as more signs of how irredeemably corrupt the scientific enterprise is to honour such a man. You're the one making the claims against him, prove your case. And that means you'll have to review all 500 of those papers and explain why they're of no value.
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Yet Another Idiotic Sentence By Carl Sagan
I realize it's childsplay and beating a dead horse to pick on late professor Carl Sagan, especially since most of his idiotic statements were catalogued by historian Charles Ginenthal in his book Carl Sagan and Immanuel Velikovsky. However this one is pretty funny:
"Science fiction was a new idea at the time of the Thirty Years War...." -- Carl E. Sagan, pseudoscientist, Cosmos, 1980
Let us analyze this Darwinist claim that has absolutely no basis in historical reality.
The Thirty Years War began in 1618 with the Defenestration of Prague and ended in 1648 with the Peace of Westphalia.
So according to Carl Sagan, the Greco-Roman author Lucian who wrote science fiction in ancient times was actually writing science nonfiction?
"Once upon a time I gathered together the poorest people in my kingdom and undertook to plant a colony on the Morning Star [Venus], which was empty and uninhabited. Phaethon out of jealousy thwarted the colonisation, meeting us half-way at the head of his Ant Dragoons. At that time we were beaten, for we were not a match for them in strength, and we retreated: now, however, I desire to make war again and plant the colony." -- Lucian, author, True History, 2nd century
Thursday, February 17, 2011
The Miraculous Spontaneous Evolution of Science
"... a thing will either be at rest or must be moved ad infinitum, unless something more powerful get in its way." -- Aristotle, philosopher, Physics, Book IV, 350 B.C.
Despite the actual historical record, the Neo-Darwinist Carl E. Sagan believed that Sir Isaac Newton "discovered" the law of inertia in 1663.
"Newton discovered the law of inertia, the tendency of a moving object to continue moving in a straight line unless something influences it and moves it out of it's path." -- Carl E. Sagan, professor, Cosmos, 1980
However Isaac Newton himself knew this was false.
"All those ancients knew the first law [of motion] who attributed to atoms in an infinite vacuum a motion which was rectilinear, extremely swift and perpetual because of the lack of resistance... Aristotle was of the same mind, since he expresses his opinion thus...[in Physics 4.8.215a19-22], speaking of motion in the void [in which bodies have no gravity and] where there is no impediment he writes: 'Why a body once moved should come to rest anywhere no one can say. For why should it rest here rather than there ? Hence either it will not be moved, or it must be moved indefinitely, unless something stronger impedes it.'" -- Isaac Newton, alchemist/mathematician, Unpublished Scientific Papers of Isaac Newton, 1962
"Democritus' atomism in principle is built only on quantities, namely the number and size of the atoms and their velocities. Here Democritus was far ahead of his time in that he took, preceding Galileo in assuming something like a law of inertia, each atom's velocity to be constant, unless a collision with another atom prevents it's free motion. For Democritus, the cosmos is a world of quantities uniquely given which continue their motion according to their own inertia until they are perturbed by other particles of the same nature." -- Hans-Jürgen Treder, physicist, October 1987
Wow, you really don't like Carl Sagan! 8O
That's because Sagan did a number on the work of that silly old crank Immanuel Velikovsky, one of his heroes, and he takes it as a personal affront. Sagan was a legitimate scientist, which probably also offends him. Actually all of established physics and cosmology seems to offend him.
I would add, Sagan had the nuts to sit in front of a camera and try to enlighten people about how f ucking big our 'universe' actually is.
Well we can see what constitutes scientific prowess to you Dexter. The simple accumulation of medals and ribbons gifted to a TV celebrity by corrupt institutions that continue to support the Big Bang and flameing iceballs in space. Of course they pumped him up while he pumped up their edifice in turn. That's the closed loop of mutual academic admiration and nothing else, plain pomp and circumstance. Where is the beef?
He did indeed, the lowest most despicable smearing of the last century and it did not bother him at all. He was a man with no conscience, he took the money and the glory for a hatchet job on his demonstratable superior. Were it not for that nobody would remember the bum. That was his singular contribution to science, the blanket condemnation of any who thought to do research opposed to the ruling order. Any one who does not find that offensive is not a scientist let alone a decent human being. Science will have the last laugh however as Mr Sagan will carry his ignoble deeds for the rest of historical time. He will be remembered as a paid character assassin of a true man of science.