Capitalism can not eradicate poverty
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I'm the ideologue? You literally think Capitalism is the best system, that actually fosters innovation. It's the same liberal idealist garbage parroted ad nauseam, consistently debunked by anyone willing to question that narrative and do further research.
Capitalism fails because it rejects the happiness of the majority of the world's population.
The human nature argument is liberal nonsense.
There is no class structure in a communist society.
IF your entire argument is based on human nature, that humans can't control their greed, why the hell would CAPITALISM be your favoured system?
Greed isn't a biological inherent trait in humans either, try finding a scientific page to cite that. You're not going to find one. Greed is a by-product of our environment, it's learned.
Communism fails because;
1. humans are materialistic
2. communism needs a large central, militaristic government
3. large governments are inefficient and elitist
4. freedom is squelched
5. lack of incentive
6. quality of products is low
7. increase of shortages and surpluses
8. morale declines
9. trust decreases
That's just from what I have noticed. And I cannot see how foreign interests can influence most of those pitfalls.
That is not to say that everyone has the same level of greed and there are no altruistic people, but the greedy ones tend to want more and more so they seek positions of higher power, AKA political leadership. Power tends to corrupt, absolute power .......
1. humans are materialistic
2. communism needs a large central, militaristic government
3. large governments are inefficient and elitist
4. freedom is squelched
5. lack of incentive
6. quality of products is low
7. increase of shortages and surpluses
8. morale declines
9. trust decreases
That's just from what I have noticed. And I cannot see how foreign interests can influence most of those pitfalls.
Greed is in our genes?
That is not to say that everyone has the same level of greed and there are no altruistic people, but the greedy ones tend to want more and more so they seek positions of higher power, AKA political leadership. Power tends to corrupt, absolute power .......
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You need to get your cataracts removed. Capitalism is the cause poverty, especially in third world countries where western capitalist have exploited their environment and peoples.
Now give me a red and prove to everyone that you are, beyond a doubt, an assh0le.
Communism is a good idea the practice has been marred by growing developemental problems however. Didn't many ah er tribal peoples practice something approximating collectivism quite successfully?
Several large religions seem to operate somewhat this way.
Capitalism seems to have eradicated poverty among capitalists quite nicely.
Precisely. "Best." Not perfect by any stretch. Fraught with problems, starting with a rather perverse reward system. Just best among the alternatives we've produced so far.
That'd be why I didn't make that argument.
See? You're an ideologue. You're going through your script, attributing to me arguments I haven't made.
There's been one in every country that's given lip service to communism so far.
That's not my argument. That's the argument you made up in your head, attributed to me, and are now attacking.
So, basically, you're talking to yourself. Why don't you save electricity? You don't need a computer to talk to yourself.
most of this seems like you're parroting old nonsense narratives of the USSR during the cold war, none of which has to do with actual communist ideals. the rest are just false. materialistic behaviour is clearly learned in a capitalist system that feasts on consumers , just like greed - it is not inherent biologically.
this isn't a good source - it's not a scientific paper for one. after searching for the gene cited in the link, comes up with nothing correlated to greed either.
Right, and capitalism gives power to a tiny minority over the vast majority. Capitalism perpetuates this hierarchical system that gives people power over others, where Communism aims to destroy that class system all together.
Piracy is more efficient. I may have misunderstood "best". In what context have you used the word?
Which is exactly why you're the ideologue, or "true believer". Ask the people of third world countries most directly affected by capitalist countries exploiting them, if they think capitalism is the best system - ask the sweatshop workers - ask the loved ones of victims who were crushed under the rubble of collapsed buildings due to lax safety laws - ask the ivorian slaving away to make your chocolate.
Ask the gulag residents. Ask the 1/4 of the Soviet population Stalin murdered. Ask the North Koreans starving.
Or just babble your propaganda. I'm done with you.
Good of you to demonstrate my point, though, so thanks for that.
Pardon me but that seems a bit divorced from the human need aspect of an economy dosn't it?
Tell me how the DPRK is communist.
Tell me where in communist literature gulags are talked about in as a part of communist ideology.
When I talk of these negatives traits of capitalism, these are actually things inherent in the system itself.
So? Those are still qualities of communism. And you have yet to produce one single instance where communism has produced a society of equality among its people.
As I said before, do you really think Raul Castro lives on about $20 a month like regular Cubans?
Most scientific papers cost money. And I will not spend a penny proving you wrong. But
PLOS ONE: A Combination of Dopamine Genes Predicts Success by Professional Wall Street Traders
And this was interesting: Bankers' behaviour explained by 'greedy gene', study finds - Citywire Money
The VAST Majority of wealth produced goes to the minority capitalists - much of it created off the backs of the labour of the third world and plundered national resources. You act like capitalism benefits us all - even as much as the designers in charge.
Anyways:
"Democratic People's Republic of Korea – better known as simply North Korea – hit the headlines again this week, after it was linked to a major cybersecurity breach of Sony Pictures.
North Korea is possible the only truly Communist regime left in the world. Since the Cold War ended the people of most communist states turned away from the controlling regimes to embrace democracy. Even China and Cuba are adapting the socialist revolutionary philosophies they were based on, and are embracing capitalism and free market economies.
In North Korea, this is not the case. The State owns everything, and controls everything: including the hearts and minds of its citizens.
<WTH is that if it is not communism?, I say>
A secretive regime, its nearly impossible for journalists to venture outside Pyongyang – the capital city which acts as a showcase for North Korea and it's regime, designed to convince the world that the DPRK is a successful and thriving state. But the country's economy is seen as virtually lifeless, due to decades of mismanagement, isolationist policies by the Kim dynasty, and international sanctions aimed at foiling its nuclear ambitions.
But those who manage to get out of the few cities, or escape the country, report widespread poverty, disease and starvation. In March 2011, the World Food Programme (WFP) estimated that 6 million North Koreans – a quarter of its population – needed food aid and a third of children were chronically malnourished or stunted." Life in North Korea – The last home of Communism
"Democratic People's Republic of Korea – better known as simply North Korea – hit the headlines again this week, after it was linked to a major cybersecurity breach of Sony Pictures.
North Korea is possible the only truly Communist regime left in the world. Since the Cold War ended the people of most communist states turned away from the controlling regimes to embrace democracy. Even China and Cuba are adapting the socialist revolutionary philosophies they were based on, and are embracing capitalism and free market economies.
In North Korea, this is not the case. The State owns everything, and controls everything: including the hearts and minds of its citizens.
<WTH is that if it is not communism?, I say>
A secretive regime, its nearly impossible for journalists to venture outside Pyongyang – the capital city which acts as a showcase for North Korea and it's regime, designed to convince the world that the DPRK is a successful and thriving state. But the country's economy is seen as virtually lifeless, due to decades of mismanagement, isolationist policies by the Kim dynasty, and international sanctions aimed at foiling its nuclear ambitions.
But those who manage to get out of the few cities, or escape the country, report widespread poverty, disease and starvation. In March 2011, the World Food Programme (WFP) estimated that 6 million North Koreans – a quarter of its population – needed food aid and a third of children were chronically malnourished or stunted." Life in North Korea – The last home of Communism
No they aren't. You need to do some reading.
(Update: yes, it's an April Fools' joke)
Please read what you're linking.