Canadians will forever be indebted because of Jim Flaherty.

[Locutus]

Now Is The Time At SDA When We Juxtapose!


A full read of Glen McGregor's "concerns" to recent state funerals in Canada provide great insight:

2011-08-24: Layton's only second special state funeral

2014-04-13: Why a state funeral for Jim Flaherty?

Would most reasonable people conclude that the 304 words for the column about Layton constitute a fair and balanced objection compared to the 1,464 words against, er, about Flaherty?

Now Is The Time At SDA When We Juxtapose! - Small Dead Animals






Glen McGregor ‏@glen_mcgregor

Why a state funeral for former finance minister Jim Flaherty? http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2014/04/13/why-a-state-funeral-for-jim-flaherty/?postpost=v2#content …





Norman Spector ‏@nspector4

Opposition 2 Harper's decision re Flaherty state funeral muted by support 4 Layton state funeral, including in Press Gallery @glen_mcgregor

 

[mentalfloss]

I think most people agree a state funeral is reasonable in Flaherty's case considering he was one of the few Cons that brought some positive PR instead of simply attacking the opposition like every other robotacon.

That said, his fiscal record is less than stellar and this can be seen plainly in how underwhelming the economy is right now.

 

[captain morgan]

That said, his fiscal record is less than stellar and this can be seen plainly in how underwhelming the economy is right now.

So, what nation's economies are the ones that you admire with an eye towards the last 5 years or so?

 

[JLM]

Would most reasonable people conclude that the 304 words for the column about Layton constitute a fair and balanced objection compared to the 1,464 words against, er, about Flaherty?

Now Is The Time At SDA When We Juxtapose! - Small Dead Animals






Glen McGregor ‏@glen_mcgregor

Why a state funeral for former finance minister Jim Flaherty? http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2014/04/13/why-a-state-funeral-for-jim-flaherty/?postpost=v2#content …





Norman Spector ‏@nspector4

Opposition 2 Harper's decision re Flaherty state funeral muted by support 4 Layton state funeral, including in Press Gallery @glen_mcgregor

You're comparing oranges to apples, Layton was respected by N.D.P. proponents while Flaherty's respect crossed all party lines! -

First let me correct you on using the term recession. It was a major global crisis that was very close to complete financial collapse. In fact if the governments hadn't mortgaged the future of 3 or 4 generations to come it would have been total collapse.

The reason our economy stayed stronger than most during the global crisis is quite simple and was dependent upon 2 factors.
1-The 2010 olympics which kept BC's construction and tourism sectors strong and artificially strengthened the housing market, at least until the games started.
2-The continued growth and expansion of the energy sector in Alberta and Saskatchewan combined with artificially inflated global prices for gas & oil.

It was more like we survived the crisis in spite of Flaherty and Harper, not because of them. You may want to give them all the credit RCS but if we didn't host the olympics and have a huge supply of natural resources we would have sunk lower than the US. As it is the Cons did a back-door deal that not many know about to this day to use CMHC to buy up about $400billion in high-risk mortgages from the banks. In the end it was slight of hand and dumb luck that kept us going and we actually still haven't felt the effect of that $400billion.



Yep, they had no idea. That is why in late 2007 and early 2008 the top executives at many of the affected finacial corporations cashed out close to $1 billion in stock options. They didn't know it was coming, it was just a coincidence they liquidated their position right before the stocks became worthless. :roll:

One of the biggest differences was Freddie Mac and Fanny Mae which we had nothing to do with.-

 

[mentalfloss]

You're comparing oranges to apples, Layton was respected by N.D.P. proponents while Flaherty's respect crossed all party lines! -

He's exaggerating that people don't want a state funeral because it paints anyone who isn't a conservative with the same brush.

It's the same tactic with this whole left-right business.

Take one example and make it appear as if a significant group of people support it.

Meanwhile, in the real world, Flaherty's funeral isn't even a concern.

 

[BornRuff]

So, what nation's economies are the ones that you admire with an eye towards the last 5 years or so?

Pretty much any country that never deregulated the finance industry and has a pile of oil.

Now Is The Time At SDA When We Juxtapose!


A full read of Glen McGregor's "concerns" to recent state funerals in Canada provide great insight:

2011-08-24: Layton's only second special state funeral

2014-04-13: Why a state funeral for Jim Flaherty?

Would most reasonable people conclude that the 304 words for the column about Layton constitute a fair and balanced objection compared to the 1,464 words against, er, about Flaherty?

Now Is The Time At SDA When We Juxtapose! - Small Dead Animals






Glen McGregor ‏@glen_mcgregor

Why a state funeral for former finance minister Jim Flaherty? http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2014/04/13/why-a-state-funeral-for-jim-flaherty/?postpost=v2#content …





Norman Spector ‏@nspector4

Opposition 2 Harper's decision re Flaherty state funeral muted by support 4 Layton state funeral, including in Press Gallery @glen_mcgregor

Bending the rules for a current leader of the opposition seemed pretty logical and since it is something that is so rare, nobody really worried about the precedent.

When you expand it to cabinet ministers who were not actually sitting members at the time, that opens up the list of people who might qualify to a LOT more people. There are almost 300 living current or former cabinet ministers. Are we going to get to the point where we have to have a debate about their worthiness for a state funeral after each one of them dies?

 

[captain morgan]

Pretty much any country that never deregulated the finance industry and has a pile of oil.

Great... Name a few maybe?

 

[PoliticalNick]

So, what nation's economies are the ones that you admire with an eye towards the last 5 years or so?

Iceland....not just their economy, which recovered faster than anyone else in the world, but their entire way of dealing with potential disaster.

They tossed out the govt and laid criminal charges against some of the top officials. They didn't hand money to the banks, they instead forgave all mortgage debt over 110% of the property value (residential property owned by Icelandic citizens only). They laid criminal charges against the banking execs who set up the collapse in the first place. They nationalized the largest bank in Iceland and moved all govt debt to that institution. And they got a panel of regular citizens together to rewrite their constitution to limit powers of govt and banks (and any other corporate entity) so this would never happen again.

In short they tore apart their complete system of government and rebuilt it to represent the people and jailed those who broke it in the first place and it was all done peacefully because the citizens stood together. The rest of the countries (Canada included) rewarded the bankers and politicians who stole all the real estate and got trillions of dollars in taxpayer money. :roll:

 

[petros]

So why does Iceland want to use the Canadian dollar?

 

[PoliticalNick]

So why does Iceland want to use the Canadian dollar?

Didn't know they did. Got a link?

 

[BornRuff]

Great... Name a few maybe?

The point being, those have nothing to do with anything he did as Finance Minister. He and Harper actually fought to deregulate the finance industry earlier in the decade.

He didn't make all that oil, and if he had his way, we would have been tied up right in the market crash just like the US.

 

[lone wolf]

It is clear, concise and accurate. What about this confounds you?

It's in the form of a question

 

[Count_Lothian]

The point being, those have nothing to do with anything he did as Finance Minister. He and Harper actually fought to deregulate the finance industry earlier in the decade.

He didn't make all that oil, and if he had his way, we would have been tied up right in the market crash just like the US.

There was a faction in government, both Liberal and Conservative , along with a swath of Bay street bankers who during Chretien's time as Prime Minister wanted the regulations changed to that used on Wall Street. Chretien and Martin wanted non of it ,and there is little praise being shed their way for this.

Again, I would love to agree with you in order to help bring down Harperism and it's effects on Canada.

Sadly there are no real conservative choices left. Even the Reform crowd has been beleaguered to the point of a few backbenchers terrified for their jobs.

 

[Nuggler]

So why does Iceland want to use the Canadian dollar?

convenience only.

There was a faction in government, both Liberal and Conservative , along with a swath of Bay street bankers who during Chretien's time as Prime Minister wanted the regulations changed to that used on Wall Street. Chretien and Martin wanted non of it ,and there is little praise being shed their way for this.

Again, I would love to agree with you in order to help bring down Harperism and it's effects on Canada.

Sadly there are no real conservative choices left. Even the Reform crowd has been beleaguered to the point of a few backbenchers terrified for their jobs.

Cretien and Martin saved us from ruin quite a few years ago.............no link, sorry.

 

[Count_Lothian]

Cretien and Martin saved us from ruin quite a few years ago.............no link, sorry.

Great Canadians do that Nuggler.
I'm old enough to realize that they surface in the various Canadian Parties that we get to vote for.

Where as Lucien Bouchard was a total self serving traitor to his country , I would agree with what Margarete Atwood said about Gilles Duceppe and his love for art and culture and his protecting culture and art.


*Pissesinthewind*
We are a Great People . We need to get over this spin that politicians produce for themselves.

 

[petros]

Ralph will be the next PM by proxy using a TV and Quebec friendly bilingual Trudeau.

 

[coldstream]

We have not had an economic nationalist or true federalist in the government of Canada since Trudeau (and i had problems with many of his policies.. but at least i think he was a citizen of Canada rather than of Wall Street.)

Mulroney, Chretien, Harper have all followed, more or less, the same disastrous agenda of Globalism, dictated by the free market, free trade, anti-national, monetarist, libertarian oligarchs on Wall Street, Bay Street and the City of London. They have colllectively destroyed Canada's sovereignty and freedom of action in defining its own economic destiny.

Flaherty was an appallingly average shill for that agenda, well beyond his depth in intellect and character. He was not the 'saviour' of Canada as the media is touting him now, but a co-conspirator in its disassembly.

It is the Conservative Party that has morphed most radically from the National Policies of their founder, John A. Macdonald.. into debased grovelling servitude to their masters in the Global Investment Organism.. and their running dogs in the IMF, WTO and World Bank.

 

[Gilgamesh]

Assume you did not emit this effluent all on your own..........which means it should be cited.

Incredibly disrespectful, inaccurate, foul, and malicious garbage is all it is..............and it needs a citation, as I would like to know what particular sicko is responsible for this steaming dog turd of an article.

Not only is the article rubbish, it is stupid malicious rubbish.

I post on a few sites and this one seems to attract more crazies and hatemongers than all the others 9ut together.

Hmm, wonder why?

 

[Gilgamesh]

"Mulroney, Chretien, Harper have all followed, more or less, the same disastrous agenda of Globalism, dictated by the free market, free trade, anti-national, monetarist, libertarian oligarchs on Wall Street, Bay Street and the City of London"

ROFLMAO Thankyou so much comrade, but your Marxist rubbish killed well over 150,000,000 people in the 20th century and proved to be an utter failure.

Thanks for the laugh, but it is way past time for you to grow up.

 

[spilledthebeer]

"Mulroney, Chretien, Harper have all followed, more or less, the same disastrous agenda of Globalism, dictated by the free market, free trade, anti-national, monetarist, libertarian oligarchs on Wall Street, Bay Street and the City of London"

ROFLMAO Thankyou so much comrade, but your Marxist rubbish killed well over 150,000,000 people in the 20th century and proved to be an utter failure.

Thanks for the laugh, but it is way past time for you to grow up.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals MUST BE REALLY DESPERATE if they have to depend on the likes of Gilgamushforbrains to defend their record!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Even WORSE- Gilsmushforbrains is defending LIE-berals with INCREDIBLE LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Statistics Canada has already told us that the most costly govt in Cdn history is the one being run by our idiot Boy Justin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the second most costly govt in our history was run by Pierre Trudeau!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Statscan also told us that when the Trudeaus are taken off the debt scoreboard- then the series of next most costly govts in history


were MINORITY govts run by that ODIOUS combo of LIE-berals and NDPers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!