Canadians Split on Monarchy, Dump It I Say

[AnnaG]

Dumping the monarchy is not necessariy expensive. The GG does no work. What is the problem? Waiting for the queen to die is simply convenient, then people will think about the monarchy a bit because it just goes on and on right now with the postcard queen who wears nice hats.

Not necessarily expensive? lmao

Harper wants to cut the deficit by chopping health and education, while piling money into the police and security apparatus. Such a dinosaur.[/QUOTE]First off you have to convince the majority of Canadians that it'd be a worthwhile project and that isn't done through a couple blogs and a forum board. It takes advertisements.
Then there is stuff like changing the rules of order in courts, parliament, etc. along with a shipload of other gov't venues.
Rearranging Elections Canada would also be a biggie.


It might be handy to read a little:

Egypt from Monarchy to Republic: A Reassessment of Revolution and Change by Shimon Shamir at Questia Online Library

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Not necessarily expensive? lmao

Harper wants to cut the deficit by chopping health and education, while piling money into the police and security apparatus. Such a dinosaur.

First off you have to convince the majority of Canadians that it'd be a worthwhile project and that isn't done through a couple blogs and a forum board. It takes advertisements.
Then there is stuff like changing the rules of order in courts, parliament, etc. along with a shipload of other gov't venues.
Rearranging Elections Canada would also be a biggie.[/QUOTE]

Harper is deeply secretive and uses the current system as undemocratically as possible. He likes to harness the fears of ignorant people to stay in power. Egypt has serious security issues, here, they are far less severe.

Over the centuries a monarchial system has simply been extremely undemocratic, authoritarian and totalitarian. That's why European countries have shed their monarchies, because they were dated. We have monarchial legalism, not the real thing, nor the real person. Support for it is sagging because it has lost its purpose.

 

[AnnaG]

First off you have to convince the majority of Canadians that it'd be a worthwhile project and that isn't done through a couple blogs and a forum board. It takes advertisements.
Then there is stuff like changing the rules of order in courts, parliament, etc. along with a shipload of other gov't venues.
Rearranging Elections Canada would also be a biggie.

Actually that was me that said that. You just mishandled the quote function.

Harper is deeply secretive and uses the current system as undemocratically as possible. He likes to harness the fears of ignorant people to stay in power.

And republics, dictatorships, etc. are trouble free? lmao

Egypt has serious security issues, here, they are far less severe.

Why?
!980 Egypt had about the same population as we have now. They dumped the monarchy. It cost them shiploads of money and it wasn't all due to security problems.

Over the centuries a monarchial system has simply been extremely undemocratic, authoritarian and totalitarian.

So? Is that what Canada is like now?

That's why European countries have shed their monarchies, because they were dated. We have monarchial legalism, not the real thing, nor the real person. Support for it is sagging because it has lost its purpose.

So? It's still waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too expensive to switch at a time when we can't afford to.

 

[Kakato]

I dont know why but the Innuit I met in Nunavut absolutely love the queen.

 

[AnnaG]

I dont know why but the Innuit I met in Nunavut absolutely love the queen.

Likely the same reason some people love hiphop music. It holds some attraction for them.
Fantasy could be another reason.

 

[Downhome_Woman]

Such an unfelicitious statement. However, I like the monarchy being called stinkin'.:wav:

A good time to bring up the idea we are already are in America, since Christopher Columbus discovered America. CC did not discover the USA y'know. America, they say, is not a place, but a state of mind. Which could explain why weather maps on TV don't show a clear border between Canada and the USA. The two countries, with all the states and provinces have the same black lines. Yet Mexico, being bandit country, is never divided into states.

Actually we're in North America - and the whole 'Christopher Columbus discovered America' thing? Sorry - highly debatable. He never even set foot on the mainland. My money is on St. Brendan....
And while I may be a North American I'm not from the United States. I lived there for three years I like the people and can appreciate much of what they have accomplished - but sorry - we aren't them and they aren't us - similar as we may be. If I wanted their political system and lifestyle - I'd have no problem moving there. I prefer living here.

 

[Trotz]

The Queen is essential to my identity? Right, because I wake up each morning giving a pray to the hag in London!

We can still become a Republic and keep the Queen through remaining a member of the Commonwealth of Nations - India and various countries in Asia and Africa being an example.

Our identity in Canada is not connected to Elizabeth - she wasn't even alive when our country was founded.

Our identity in Anglo-Canada stems from the fact that we are British Loyalists. Taking away the Queen doesn't change that history and we will still have that "loyalty" connection to Great Britain. Even if Britain and Canada became Republic we'll still have that 'British' connection that America (who violently cast it off in 1776) wouldn't have.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

The Queen is essential to my identity? Right, because I wake up each morning giving a pray to the hag in London!

We can still become a Republic and keep the Queen through remaining a member of the Commonwealth of Nations - India and various countries in Asia and Africa being an example.

Our identity in Canada is not connected to Elizabeth - she wasn't even alive when our country was founded.

Our identity in Anglo-Canada stems from the fact that we are British Loyalists. Taking away the Queen doesn't change that history and we will still have that "loyalty" connection to Great Britain. Even if Britain and Canada became Republic we'll still have that 'British' connection that America (who violently cast it off in 1776) wouldn't have.

Our identity is tied to Britain-not just the house of Windsor, because we got our language from there. We were English colonies, we speak English so we will always be English-in part. Our Englishness is multicultural here, because we are Canadian and English. But the people in England are English and British, and we are not. At least not British geographically, but perhaps historically and politically if you like.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

A poll from The Globe and Mail newspaper states that 55% of Canadians did not think they should pay for the queen's visit to Canada.

Globe online poll: Royal Visit - The Globe and Mail

 

[AnnaG]

A poll from The Globe and Mail newspaper states that 55% of Canadians did not think they should pay for the queen's visit to Canada.

Globe online poll: Royal Visit - The Globe and Mail

?? Why not? My neighbor comes for a visit and I pay for her coffee and cookie. I don't pay her freight to get here and back home, though. It's called "hosting".

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Actually we're in North America - and the whole 'Christopher Columbus discovered America' thing? Sorry - highly debatable. He never even set foot on the mainland. My money is on St. Brendan....

And while I may be a North American I'm not from the United States. I lived there for three years I like the people and can appreciate much of what they have accomplished - but sorry - we aren't them and they aren't us - similar as we may be. If I wanted their political system and lifestyle - I'd have no problem moving there. I prefer living here.

Chris C didn't set foot on the mainland? If you look at this map from Wiki, you can see he set foot in Central Ameerica. This is part of North America in the atlas, but not the white North America of Canada and the USA.

Are Mexicans and Cubans North Americans?

 

[AnnaG]

Chris C didn't set foot on the mainland? If you look at this map from Wiki, you can see he set foot in Central Ameerica. This is part of North America in the atlas, but not the white North America of Canada and the USA.

Are Mexicans and Cubans North Americans?

He landed at the Bahama Islands.

But what's this got to do with the topic?

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

He landed at the Bahama Islands.

But what's this got to do with the topic?

CC did not just land on the Bahamas Islands. Check the Wiki link.

I was responding to an earlier poster, that's what its got to do with the topic. The poster mentioned that CC did not land on this continent, I said he was wrong, CC did land on this continent. To say otherwise confirms a person's lack of historical geographical knowledge.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Actually we're in North America - and the whole 'Christopher Columbus discovered America' thing? Sorry - highly debatable. He never even set foot on the mainland. My money is on St. Brendan....
And while I may be a North American I'm not from the United States. I lived there for three years I like the people and can appreciate much of what they have accomplished - but sorry - we aren't them and they aren't us - similar as we may be. If I wanted their political system and lifestyle - I'd have no problem moving there. I prefer living here.

Hello everybody, I am back. I will post a few photos from Iceland shortly.

Christopher Columbus discovered America? It is surprising indeed that Americans still cling to that canard; USA was discovered many times before Columbus.

Incidentally during our vacation to Iceland, our guide once said ‘when Columbus rediscovered America’ which was really a very appropriate way of putting it. According to Iceland history, Icelandic Vikings were here a few hindered years before Columbus. Native Indians have been here for thousands of years before Columbus.

So Columbus discovered nothing, He was one of a long line of explorers to visit American and nothing more.

A poll from The Globe and Mail newspaper states that 55% of Canadians did not think they should pay for the queen's visit to Canada.

Globe online poll: Royal Visit - The Globe and Mail

Such polls do not mean much. There are many things government spends money on, which I disagree with. One does not get to choose which items the government is going to spend the money on. The poll is a curiosity, nothing more.

 

[lone wolf]

Oh? Were you away?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Oh? Were you away?

Indeed, two glorious weeks to Iceland (you are off the ignore list as of now). And you should know. Many times after I post a message, I would see a post by you (only the name used to be visible to me, not the post), so I assume you posted in response to practically every post of mine. I would have thought you, of all people, would have missed me the most.

 

[AnnaG]

CC did not just land on the Bahamas Islands. Check the Wiki link.

I was responding to an earlier poster, that's what its got to do with the topic. The poster mentioned that CC did not land on this continent, I said he was wrong, CC did land on this continent. To say otherwise confirms a person's lack of historical geographical knowledge.

He landed at the Bahamas,and wandered about the Caribbean islands. On his 4th return, he finally managed to land in Honduras and wandered south from there to Panama. He spent a whole 2 months on and near the mainland of Central America.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

He landed at the Bahamas,and wandered about the Caribbean islands. On his 4th return, he finally managed to land in Honduras and wandered south from there to Panama. He spent a whole 2 months on and near the mainland of Central America.

The "mainland of Central America", what does that mean? Is the "mainland" a continent? What continent is Central America on?

Hello everybody, I am back. I will post a few photos from Iceland shortly.

Christopher Columbus discovered America? It is surprising indeed that Americans still cling to that canard; USA was discovered many times before Columbus.

Incidentally during our vacation to Iceland, our guide once said ‘when Columbus rediscovered America’ which was really a very appropriate way of putting it. According to Iceland history, Icelandic Vikings were here a few hindered years before Columbus. Native Indians have been here for thousands of years before Columbus.

So Columbus discovered nothing, He was one of a long line of explorers to visit American and nothing more.



Such polls do not mean much. There are many things government spends money on, which I disagree with. One does not get to choose which items the government is going to spend the money on. The poll is a curiosity, nothing more.

It is not an American expression that CC discovered America, it is an expression in the English language. For Spanish and Portuguese speaking people, they don't think CC discovered the USA.

You forgot to ask that Icelander what he, and most Europeans call the USA, America. Yet we rarely refer to the US as America in everyday speech or the media. All of Canada agrees on this point, unlike most of Europe and all of Asia and Africa.

Such polls don't mean much? During the days of empire, it wasn't even asked, now majorities are wondering why we're paying for monarchial junkets to Canada.