Grow poppies on the tundra then the military will have some working capital for Arctic patrols.
It works for NATO.
NATO = Need Another Tonne of Opium?
It works for NATO.
NATO = Need Another Tonne of Opium?
Canadians prepared to fight for Arctic, survey
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How will Canada defend its claims in the Arctic? The Canadian military punches above its weight, but that doesn't change the fact that to defend the Arctic by itself Canada will have to undertake a significant military buildup.
The ambivalence of the Canadian people about America means it may be very unlikely for the two countries to be able to work together on the Arctic.
We are all aware of Russian claims. Are we all aware of China's interest in the Arctic? Opinions - The Globe and Mail
Today China wants observer status on the Arctic Council. Tomorrow China will want full membership.
Who are Canada's friends and who are not her friends? Canadians have decisions to make.
The experience of Afghanistan has hollowed out NATO.
The ambivalence of the Canadian people about America means it may be very unlikely for the two countries to be able to work together on the Arctic.
We are all aware of Russian claims. Are we all aware of China's interest in the Arctic? Opinions - The Globe and Mail
Today China wants observer status on the Arctic Council. Tomorrow China will want full membership.
Who are Canada's friends and who are not her friends? Canadians have decisions to make.
The experience of Afghanistan has hollowed out NATO.
Blah.... Some folks just like to impress - so much so that they'll go belly-up with debt just to maintain an appearance....
As far as I'm concerned, Canada does not own any land other than that recognized by the international community. If we wish to make a claim on any other land, then let's settle the dispute once and for all and have it recognized.
This is pure logic. If Canada can unanimously make a claim on any land it thinks it owns, then naturally this same right applies to all countries. I'm sure any thinking person can see how that can lead to a few problems. This is why we have international laws, to establish rules that are agreed-upon by the international community to avoid such conflicts. Strong-arm tactics without first looking at legal solutions is pure thuggery. I'd like to think Canada can rise above that.
This is pure logic. If Canada can unanimously make a claim on any land it thinks it owns, then naturally this same right applies to all countries. I'm sure any thinking person can see how that can lead to a few problems. This is why we have international laws, to establish rules that are agreed-upon by the international community to avoid such conflicts. Strong-arm tactics without first looking at legal solutions is pure thuggery. I'd like to think Canada can rise above that.
There is a woman named Dr. Ruth Jackson from the Canadian Geological Survey that you really should google sometime. She is the type that will answer your emails if you want to know what precisely is being disputed.
I'm sure it will be a very enlightening experience for some of the commentators on this thread.
I Googled Dr. Ruth Jackson, but a ton of sites come up, and for all I know there could be a few Dr. Ruth Jacksons. Any links?
NRCan report here: Polar Continental Shelf Program Science Report 2008/09: Logistical Support for Leading-Edge Scientific Research in the Canadian Arctic
CDN/US joint project here: Extended Continental Shelf Project
CDN/US joint project here: Extended Continental Shelf Project
Battle for the Arctic - Doc Zone | CBC-TV
Interesting article here. Now if there is a legal way to claim that land as it appears we're trying to do here, then great. After all, we can have all the troops there that we want, but without legal recognition, the land still won't belong to us. If we can prove that it does belong to us according to the Law of the Sea, then we have something going for us even without troops there.
Interesting article here. Now if there is a legal way to claim that land as it appears we're trying to do here, then great. After all, we can have all the troops there that we want, but without legal recognition, the land still won't belong to us. If we can prove that it does belong to us according to the Law of the Sea, then we have something going for us even without troops there.
Unless the troops can scuba dive they are useless. Has there ever been a purely submarine war before?
I get sea sick and NRCan doesn't pay jack ****
Forget it, your not getting Alaska.
We never recognized the King. May help ya fend of the other guys though.
*shakes head* You really don't look very far past your nose do you?
There are resources up there, it's a part of our nation, so if something happens up there like an oil spill from a tanker or furture oil drilling sites, guess who it's going to hit and affect first?
Us!
Guess who's going to be expected to clean it up?
Us!!
If it's a part of our nation, we can regulate and oversee who goes up/through there and what they do there.
Oh and guess what else?
PEOPLE DO LIVE UP THERE!!!!
Cripes, get some education will you?
As far as the original topic goes, I'm all for pulling our troops from Afghanistan and sending them north.... at least they'd finally be defending our nation.
Defending our nation from what?
I dunno.... seals..... a flood of ships from other nations sailing through day after day, adding more pollution up there and making things even worse..... oh and snow snakes.... I hate those things..... they're about as bad as the Drop Bears here in Australia.
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I believe that the islands of canada and the waters 200 miles or whatever the regular distance from land is our territory...(AND IT IS OUR TERRITORY) They have always been ours and have been recognized as ours, minus the areas norway, denmark, and a few others claim... (Which isnt alot compared to what we already have).....
America has never disputed that we own the land, when they built their radar bases in canada during the Cold war our sovereignty was never in doubt.. They just consider the waters international. Even during the Gold rush America and the american miners that went to the Yukon respected canadian law and there was no problem or threat to us. When American governments conduct business in Canada's Archipeligo they have to deal with the Canadian Government not American government... And if you work in the arctic you work under Canadian laws....This was the case during Cold War military projects that the states shouldered the cost for. And ill even say the americans approach this situation with alot of caution
The biggest problem is this Northwest Passage. If the sea ice remains and navigation is next to **** all it will be easy classify them as internal waters, but as it open up and passage to the pacific from atlantic becomes possible it in my opinion becomes a strait. This is the problem. Others countries have to conform the international standards and regretfully i believe that Canada should also. We can and still should claim all the islands like we have before but the waters may be a different story
America has never disputed that we own the land, when they built their radar bases in canada during the Cold war our sovereignty was never in doubt.. They just consider the waters international. Even during the Gold rush America and the american miners that went to the Yukon respected canadian law and there was no problem or threat to us. When American governments conduct business in Canada's Archipeligo they have to deal with the Canadian Government not American government... And if you work in the arctic you work under Canadian laws....This was the case during Cold War military projects that the states shouldered the cost for. And ill even say the americans approach this situation with alot of caution
The biggest problem is this Northwest Passage. If the sea ice remains and navigation is next to **** all it will be easy classify them as internal waters, but as it open up and passage to the pacific from atlantic becomes possible it in my opinion becomes a strait. This is the problem. Others countries have to conform the international standards and regretfully i believe that Canada should also. We can and still should claim all the islands like we have before but the waters may be a different story
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Other countries will just have to sail farther from the coast as the ice melts if a toll is imposed. I don't think anybody is contesting the Canadian Islands. As Johnny said under the water will be a different problem, especially with everyone trying to claim rights to the end of the continental shelf.
So we should. It's one area of value and will be the source of our economy long after the other countries of the world are barren wastelands. Mind you by that time it will pretty all be over anyway.
None of you reaserched what is really being disputed did you?
It's all about the continental shelf and a long ridge that extends to the pole. Not Alaska.Not any island or infantry in scuba gear.
It's all about the continental shelf and a long ridge that extends to the pole. Not Alaska.Not any island or infantry in scuba gear.
Oi vey.
The oceans only sit atop the land. This is why coninental shelves and ridges are being claimed for mineral rights.
I did get that from the article I'd posted earlier. But that also relates to how the Law of the Sea defines possession. This means researchers must study the continental shelf to make a legitimate claim.
Exactly. According to the Law of the Sea, it's the extent of the continental shelf and not mineral resources that matter in making a legitimate claim. Mineral resources might be the motive for making the claim, but the extent of the continental shelf is what determines the legitimacy of the claim. Without that, those mineral resources aren't ours.