Canadians Moving to the US

[Twila]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

Of course they do. All countries need their myths. America has more than they're fair share of them. But so does Canada.

We have had threads about misconceptions others (usually Americans)have about Canada, maybe we need a thread about the misconceptions we Canadians have about Americans and America....might be good for a laugh and some education

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

Of course they do. All countries need their myths. America has more than they're fair share of them. But so does Canada.

We have had threads about misconceptions others (usually Americans)have about Canada, maybe we need a thread about the misconceptions we Canadians have about Americans and America....might be good for a laugh and some education

That sounds like fun, set it up.

 

[Twila]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

k. I'm all over it ITN!

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

Gleb, thanks again, unfortunately you are trying to convince a whole lot of people whose best interest is served by continually running down everything the US does, and spinning what even everyone agrees is good into some sort of "They only did it for the benefit of the US", like the tsnumami relief. I personally think these people are afraid of the US, and if they had to actually accept the truth, it would totally destroy their preconceptions of what life in the US is really like. We travel extensively in the US Northwest, primarily Montana, and have had nothing but good experiences, even the summer after 9-11. We have no problem entering the US, and quite frankly, have a harder time coming through Canadian customs back into our own country. I find the people we meet on our trips very friendly, and as we do a lot of camping in Glacier National Park, we meet people from all over the US, not just Montana, and the vast majority are great, friendly people who treat us with respect and kindness. (Some who know about the Canadian political scene treat us with pity, but that's another story :wink: . Anyway, don't worry about the response of the US haters, nothing will change their minds, which is fine with me, they won't go to the US, and those of us who do won't get blamed for their attitudes and ignorance. We are looking into moving to the US should things not change here soon, so maybe I will contact you for some information about how to facilitate this, if the time comes.

This is dead on. I know lots of people who say "The States, I'd never live there. Too much violence, too much poverty, blah, blah, blah." The city I live in Tallahassee is about the same size of a city I lived in Canada - Saskatoon. Guess what, the murder rate is half that of Saskatoon, there's less poor, nobody locks their doors here, etc. Its mythology. All nations need their myths and Canada certainly perpetuates one about America to make Canadians feel better about themselves.

Toro, thanks for confirming what I have said. I really don't know why there are some Canadians who seem to fear the US, and their successes. They always seem to focus on the negatives of the States, and they have some, just as we do.

You talk about myths, our health care is one. According to the posters on this forum, Canada is 35th in the world in health care with long wait times. I am currently on a 70 day wait list for an MRI, I work with a guy who has a year left on a year and a half wait for knee surgery. Even though this points out flaws in our system, no one is prepared to sit down and look at all options, including privatizing part of it.

Anyway, I am not in fear, awe, or anything else when it comes to the US. I have relatives and friends there, and like I said, we really enjoy going there. And as another poster put it, if we moved, we would go to the NW, Montana, Idaho, Washington, which is climatically close to us, as well as geographically. Better government, less stupidity.

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

Don't let the door hit you in ass on the way out, Blueboy. how come you are so insistent that provinces are solely responsible for health care, yet you live in an incredibly wealthy province and you blame your wait times on the federal government?

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

Don't let the door hit you in ass on the way out, Blueboy. how come you are so insistent that provinces are solely responsible for health care, yet you live in an incredibly wealthy province and you blame your wait times on the federal government?

Because, you friggin idiot, the federal government has slashed health care payments all the while insisting that the standards remain the same. The party you are now aligned with cut health care payments.

The provinces are supposed to be in control of health and education, as guaranteed by the constitution, something you really ought to read. What has happened over the years is that successive liberal governments, with the support of friendly media outlets, have ursurped the powers of the provinces until most of Canada thinks that the federal government is actually responsible for these areas, whereas it is not.

Quebec is right when demanding the return of these powers, and hopefully more and more provincial governments will come to this realization themselves. However, while there are people on the left who spread lies about this issue, and stupid people who believe in checkbook government believe the lies, nothing will change until there is a revolt in some province.

 

[no1important]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

Because, you friggin idiot, the federal government has slashed health care payments all the while insisting that the standards remain the same. The party you are now aligned with cut health care payments.

Well you always brag about all the money Alberta allegedly has, so why doesn't Ralphie put some into health care instead of tax breaks for his business buddies?

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

Because, you friggin idiot, the federal government has slashed health care payments all the while insisting that the standards remain the same. The party you are now aligned with cut health care payments.

Well you always brag about all the money Alberta allegedly has, so why doesn't Ralphie put some into health care instead of tax breaks for his business buddies?

Because, you other friggin idiot, every time Alberta makes any attempt to change and improve things, some ass from the feds or the liberal media jump all over this, claiming Ralph is out to kill health care in Canada, or makes unfounded claims just like they did last election.

Besides, if Alberta put some more money here, then the transfer payments to the rest of Canada would be reduced, and how would you socialists fund your social programs?

And what business buddy tax breaks? No PST, no debt, and the lowest personal income tax rate in Canada helps who? Gee, even leftists should figure out that this helps the individual, especially those with lower incomes.

 

[Cosmo]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

Because, you friggin idiot...

Bluealberta ... gotta get a grip on your temper. Diverse ideas are welcome here ... calling anyone a friggin idiot is not. Surely you can express yourself without resorting to this kind of puerile comment? I realize some people here can get pretty hot under the collar, but if you can't disagree without personal attacks I suggest you go hang out in the joke thread and beef up a sense of humour. It serves us all well to apply a lighter touch.

 

[Derry McKinney]

the federal government has slashed health care payments all the while insisting that the standards remain the same.

There is nothing keeping Ralph from taking some of the billions in your provincial treasury and buying and staffing a couple of MRI clinics.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

Because, you friggin idiot...

Bluealberta ... gotta get a grip on your temper. Diverse ideas are welcome here ... calling anyone a friggin idiot is not. Surely you can express yourself without resorting to this kind of puerile comment? I realize some people here can get pretty hot under the collar, but if you can't disagree without personal attacks I suggest you go hang out in the joke thread and beef up a sense of humour. It serves us all well to apply a lighter touch.

I tried to find a better name, but that one just seemed to fit. You should have seen the one I really wanted to use!! :lol: :twisted: :roll:

 

[bluealberta]

the federal government has slashed health care payments all the while insisting that the standards remain the same.

There is nothing keeping Ralph from taking some of the billions in your provincial treasury and buying and staffing a couple of MRI clinics.

Every time he mentions it, the feds and their trained seals always bleat on about how Ralph wants to kill Health Care. Actually, we did open a new one in south Calgary and the wait times for MRIs are now less than 40 days, as opposed to over 60. I hope we continue to open more private MRI clinics so there will be no wait lines.

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

So your government has a bucket-load of your money and you want to be able to spend your own money on MRIs instead of having the government pay a reduced rate for those MRIs with your money?

I have goats with better fiscal sense than that...

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

So your government has a bucket-load of your money and you want to be able to spend your own money on MRIs instead of having the government pay a reduced rate for those MRIs with your money?

I have goats with better fiscal sense than that...

We want policies that make people better, and to wait until the feds get it right is stupid. And I suspect that Alberta would get the same so-called reduced rate as the feds would, if you are talking about purchasing MRI's. If you are talking about paying for our own MRI scan, you miss the point. The health care program will still pay for procedurs at the privately owned MRI, and with more outlets, the waiting time will be less and may actually be eliminated.

 

[The Philosopher]

I'll jump in here and say Alberta has probably the best healthcare system in Canada. I have been to hospitals in all Atlantic Provinces, Ontario, and Quebec and the minimum I waited in EMERGENCY was 4 hours. In Alberta I was treated as soon as I stepped in.

Alberta has tones of MRIs. None of the Atlantic provinces have MRIs readilty available and neither does Quebec or Ontario. This is based purely on experience, not on statistics or phenomenologically neutral information.

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

Privately owned costs more, Blue. That's your money they are spending.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

Privately owned costs more, Blue. That's your money they are spending.

You and I have batted this around forever, we disagree. And if my money is being spent to keep me in a shorter list with a lesser chance of dying in line, well, there are worse ways to spend money.

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

So you are willing to spend money to get what you are already paying for? Brilliant.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

So you are willing to spend money to get what you are already paying for? Brilliant.

if you assume that what we are already paying for is what we are getting. With wait times in the years, not days or even months, with emergency waiting times in the hours, I would suggest that we are not getting anything close to what we are paying for. If you are happy, then you have very low expectations. I guess thats why you support a party that always finishes at least third fedrally and gets 15 - 20% support in an election. Yup, not many expectations there. :twisted:

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

Ah yeah, another shot from the loser from Alberta.