Canadians Moving to the US

[Numure]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

I don't understand it either... Martin is a Fiscal Conservative and a moderate liberal when it comes to Social policies. I'd put him more right to center.

Why the hate Blue?

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

I don't understand it either... Martin is a Fiscal Conservative and a moderate liberal when it comes to Social policies. I'd put him more right to center.

Why the hate Blue?

Not hate, in some ways, disappointment. When he was elected leader of the party, I honestly thought there would be some changes in how this country was governed. Nothing has changed, and to see Martin now grovelling in the dirt trying anything he can to desparately hang on to power is disgusting, and pitiful. Hate? Not for the person, but for sure for the Liberal party who consistently says one thing and does the other. Who consistently uses Alberta as a whipping boy, yet takes money from Alberta without even a thank you. Martin is not a leader, he is a man who is so desparate for power he will prostitute himself out any way he can, and so will his party. They have no morals and no ethics. That is why I intensely dislike the Liberal party.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

You never gave him a chance to do anything, he's been under attack from the very beginning. He gave you budget that Harper wanted...Harper embraced it, looked like he was going to go off in his pants he was so happy...then he said he wouldn't support it.

That budget wasn't full of Liberal promises...they never promised corporate tax cuts. It was a Conservative budget, tailored to garner Conservative support.

When Harper decided to play partisan politics instead of playing ball, Martin went to the NDP. That's the way minority governments work.

Now personally I'm happier than hell about all this. I never liked Martin in the first place and I liked him even less when he decided to be Stevie's best buddy. When he was forced to deal with Jack and bring forth the kind of budget that the Liberals ran on in the first place, I knew it was a good thing.

Either we'll get a budget that is good for Canadians for a change, or Harper will defeat the government trying to take money away from Canadians to give it to his corporate masters. Either way, the NDP look good.

If (and it's probable) there is an election, we'll either get a Liberal minority that's more willing to deal with the NDP than the Conservatives; or we'll get a Conservative minority that can't get any of its policies through because those policies are at odds with the other parties. The Conservatives will fall (likely within a year), go through their usual ritual of eating their own young, and spend another five or ten years in the political hinterland.

But you just go on hating Liberals even if they really are conservatives.

 

[bluealberta]

Rev, I will continue hating the Liberals, because they spout off so much nonsense and you and the rest of the left keep believing it. They are corrupt, they have laundered money, they have put money into foundations beyond the review of the AG, they are amoral, and they continue to flip flop and dither around. They have the wrong priorities in their policies, and they continue to take power from the provinces, power that was granted by the constitution. Hell, the Mafia is sending their young folks up to work for the Liberals so they can make their bones up here, instead of in the States. When even the Hells Angels say the Liberals are corrupt, how on earth can anyone even consider supporting such a cast of crooks. I think that we out here are not so much mad at the Liberals, although that is certainly there, but more mad at the people who continue to vote these crooks and liars back in, all because of some vague, unfounded, and outright fabricactions about hidden agendas. You want proven crooks and liars, your'e gonna get them, but God forbid we should even try to give anyone else a chance. You keep saying Mulroney was corrupt, and the voters threw them out because of that. So why won't the eastern voters throw these bums and crooks out? Oh yeah, you can get bought off with your own money and you think it is a great deal. What a crock.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Rev, I will continue hating the Liberals, because they spout off so much nonsense and you and the rest of the left keep believing it.

Don't blame me, I don't believe it. I keep telling Liberal voters to vote for the NDP because the Liberals steal the NDP platform then when they get elected they institute the Conservative platform.

They are corrupt, they have laundered money, they have put money into foundations beyond the review of the AG, they are amoral

The Conservatives have a very similar history, federally and provincially.

they continue to flip flop and dither around

Harper criticized the government for not deporting Maher Arar themselves, said it was a perfect example of our weak security. When Arar got back from his year of being tortured, Harper criticized the Liberals for allowing him to be deported. Interestingly enough Harper stopped short of criticizing the US for the deportation though.

Harper was for sending Canadian troops to Iraq. When that turned to be unpopular, he said he wouldn't have. When pressed he tried to weasel out of giving a straight answer by saying we didn't have enough troops to send.

Harper was for BMD. Then he wasn't sure. Then he was leaning towards being against it. Then he was for it again.

Harper was against the Canada Health Act. Now he claims to be for it.

Harper was against Kyoto. Then he said he would honour it. Then he refused to mention Kyoto or greenhouse gasses in the anti-pollution part of his speech.

I can list another ten or twenty instances of him flip-flopping if you like. Changing his position whenever he senses a political advantage to be had, not answering questions, trying to be all things to all people.

I don't deny that Martin is a flip-flopper and a ditherer. I do think that if you are making that accusation from the position of Harper being any better, then you should have a really hard look at your brave leader.

 

[Numure]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

You never gave him a chance to do anything, he's been under attack from the very beginning. He gave you budget that Harper wanted...Harper embraced it, looked like he was going to go off in his pants he was so happy...then he said he wouldn't support it.

That budget wasn't full of Liberal promises...they never promised corporate tax cuts. It was a Conservative budget, tailored to garner Conservative support.

When Harper decided to play partisan politics instead of playing ball, Martin went to the NDP. That's the way minority governments work.

Now personally I'm happier than hell about all this. I never liked Martin in the first place and I liked him even less when he decided to be Stevie's best buddy. When he was forced to deal with Jack and bring forth the kind of budget that the Liberals ran on in the first place, I knew it was a good thing.

Either we'll get a budget that is good for Canadians for a change, or Harper will defeat the government trying to take money away from Canadians to give it to his corporate masters. Either way, the NDP look good.

If (and it's probable) there is an election, we'll either get a Liberal minority that's more willing to deal with the NDP than the Conservatives; or we'll get a Conservative minority that can't get any of its policies through because those policies are at odds with the other parties. The Conservatives will fall (likely within a year), go through their usual ritual of eating their own young, and spend another five or ten years in the political hinterland.

But you just go on hating Liberals even if they really are conservatives.

To that extent, the conservative will only have the support of the Bloc to get new elections soon. If a Conservative minority is elected, the support of the Bloc for bugets and laws, will come at a high price.

The word is, if a referendum is called. They would most likely do anything to throw the goverment of the time down, while the referendum campaign. Everything to give independance a better chance. Though this isnt official.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

You never gave him a chance to do anything, he's been under attack from the very beginning. He gave you budget that Harper wanted...Harper embraced it, looked like he was going to go off in his pants he was so happy...then he said he wouldn't support it.

That budget wasn't full of Liberal promises...they never promised corporate tax cuts. It was a Conservative budget, tailored to garner Conservative support.

When Harper decided to play partisan politics instead of playing ball, Martin went to the NDP. That's the way minority governments work.

Now personally I'm happier than hell about all this. I never liked Martin in the first place and I liked him even less when he decided to be Stevie's best buddy. When he was forced to deal with Jack and bring forth the kind of budget that the Liberals ran on in the first place, I knew it was a good thing.

Either we'll get a budget that is good for Canadians for a change, or Harper will defeat the government trying to take money away from Canadians to give it to his corporate masters. Either way, the NDP look good.

If (and it's probable) there is an election, we'll either get a Liberal minority that's more willing to deal with the NDP than the Conservatives; or we'll get a Conservative minority that can't get any of its policies through because those policies are at odds with the other parties. The Conservatives will fall (likely within a year), go through their usual ritual of eating their own young, and spend another five or ten years in the political hinterland.

But you just go on hating Liberals even if they really are conservatives.

To that extent, the conservative will only have the support of the Bloc to get new elections soon. If a Conservative minority is elected, the support of the Bloc for bugets and laws, will come at a high price.

The word is, if a referendum is called. They would most likely do anything to throw the goverment of the time down, while the referendum campaign. Everything to give independance a better chance. Though this isnt official.

Numure: Actually, I am coming over to your side very quickly, and hope that you push forward with your separatist agenda. Maybe then the whole country will wake up, and maybe other parts (like Alberta) may follow your lead and decide to end this failed experiment called Canada.

 

[no1important]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

Numure: Actually, I am coming over to your side very quickly, and hope that you push forward with your separatist agenda. Maybe then the whole country will wake up, and maybe other parts (like Alberta) may follow your lead and decide to end this failed experiment called Canada.

Why dont you just move to the US or somewhere else that will make you happy? Since you obviously hate Canada so much. Alberta aint going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

Numure: Actually, I am coming over to your side very quickly, and hope that you push forward with your separatist agenda. Maybe then the whole country will wake up, and maybe other parts (like Alberta) may follow your lead and decide to end this failed experiment called Canada.

Why dont you just move to the US or somewhere else that will make you happy? Since you obviously hate Canada so much. Alberta aint going anywhere anytime soon.

Wrong, totally wrong. I don't hate Canada. Alberta makes me very happy, people who think for themselves, have an independent quality. What I and a growing number of people are really getting tired of is being taken for granted, totally ignoring anything that is suggested, and branding us all as bigots, rednecks, you name it, any derogatory term you can think of. Whether you in the East like it or not, the economics of Canada are shifting west rapidly, and we would like som input into how this country is governed, You have no idea how frustrating it has been over the past forty years to know that virtually every federal election has been decided before we even get to vote. And decided by the Maritimes who have more ridings for less population than Alberta. All we get is drive by smears like the health minister just did, warnings about things that other provinces do without any censure, yet no one has any problem taking transfer payments to the rest of the country that are higher per capita than Ontario supplies in transfer payments. Frustrated? You bet. Hate, hardly, but frustrated and disappointed, abso-friggin-lutely.

 

[no1important]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

and branding us all as bigots, rednecks

Boy don't I feel stupid. :roll: Because you really could of fooled me.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

and branding us all as bigots, rednecks

Boy don't I feel stupid. :roll: Because you really could of fooled me.

I guess you are easily fooled then, and quite gullible, when it gets right down to it.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

Slamming the maritimes again? Is that the provincial sport in Alberta? And since when is BC to the east of you? You responded to a poster from BC by saying, "Whether you in the East like it or not..." Look at a map, man.

Don't like being seen as a bunch of redneck bigots? What are your policies towards natives? Gays? Immigration? Foreign aid? You didn't get that reputation from nowhere, you got it by acting like a bunch of bigoted rednecks.

Here's something else that you are going to have to reconcile yourself too...as urban areas get bigger, people become more liberal. It's been a trend all around the world since at least the Roman Empire. You also have the added advantage of having a lot of people moving there from other provinces. What are you going to do when you end up with a Liberal or NDP provincial government? What about when suddenly a majority of your MPs in the urban areas come from left-leaning parties?

Have fun out there Blue. Twenty years from now you'll be complaining loud and hard about how you can't get a Conservative to represent you.

 

[DasFX]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

I don't hate Canada. Alberta makes me very happy, people who think for themselves, have an independent quality. What I and a growing number of people are really getting tired of is being taken for granted, totally ignoring anything that is suggested, and branding us all as bigots, rednecks, you name it, any derogatory term you can think of. Whether you in the East like it or not, the economics of Canada are shifting west rapidly, and we would like som input into how this country is governed, You have no idea how frustrating it has been over the past forty years to know that virtually every federal election has been decided before we even get to vote. And decided by the Maritimes who have more ridings for less population than Alberta.

Hate, hardly, but frustrated and disappointed, abso-friggin-lutely.

As an easterner (and a Greater Torontonian on top of that) I must say that I like Alberta. Good folk live in Alberta, they're friendly, vibrant and have got character. If I had my way, I'd be moving to Calgary, prefereably to Prominence Point, I think that is the residential area on top the cliff that you see as you drive on Sarcee Trail.

Anyhow, Alberta is going through a boom time that was spurred on by the lucky discover of oil at Leduc #1. Their hardworking people have built up Alberta into one of the best and wealthiest political states in the world. Had their been no oil, I'm unsure what Alberta would be like today, but that is neither here nor there.

I can understand Alberta's frustration, and I believe it is more than just east west rivalry as a lot of Albertans are relocated easterners. Canada's economy is moving west, this is a fact. More and more businesses and money is going that way, however unless more and more of Canada's population goes with it, Alberta will always be in the shadows of Ontario and Quebec.

In terms of funding, sure Alberta contributes more per capita, but it really is total numbers that drive power. I'm not sure what the actual values are, but say Albertans give a dollar (1$) per person to the government and Ontarians give 25% less per person (0.75$). Ontario still gives more than 3 times as much money to Ottawa (and I doubt the difference per capita is that big).

Next is the whole thing about a federal elections being decided in the east even before Albertans cast their vote. You got two things against you, location and population. Nothing can change the fact that Eastern Canada is 2 hours ahead of you. We can either skew all the voting time so the polls open and close at the same time across the country or we can not release any results until every poll has closed.

As for number of seats, look at this:

Based on Canada 32,078,819 People and 308 seats
Prov. - Pop (2005) - % of Cdn - # of Seats - % Seats - % Diff
NL - 516,986 - 1.61 - 7 - 2.27 - 0.66
PE- 137,734 - 0.43 - 4 - 1.30 - 0.87
NB - 751,257 - 2.34 - 10 - 3.25 - 0.90
NS - 937,538 - 2.92 - 11 - 3.57 - 0.65
PQ - 7,568,640 - 23.59 - 75 - 24.35 - 0.76
ON - 12,449,502 - 38.81 - 106 - 34.42 - (-4.39)
MB - 1,174,645 - 3.66 - 14 - 4.55 - 0.88
SK - 995,280 - 3.10 - 14 - 4.55 - 1.44
AB - 3,223,415 - 10.05 - 28 - 9.09 - (-0.96)
BC - 4,219,968 - 13.15 - 36 - 11.69 - (-1.47)
YK - 31,227 - 0.10 - 1 - 0.32 - 0.23
NT - 42,944 - 0.13 - 1 - 0.32 - 0.19
NU - 29,683 - 0.09 - 1 - 0.32 - 0.23

So you can see that the Maritimes collectively only have 3.08% more representation than their population warrants. Any extra seats in the Maritimes is really coming out of Ontario's pocket so to speak. If Alberta really wants its extra say, they should look no further than Manitoba and for British Columbians, their missing representation is in Saskatchewan. So the west is really a wash. If anyone gets slightly more, it is the North, but they have to have atleast one seat each. But again, this comes out of Ontario's pocket.

If you really wanted to redistrubute seats along population proportions, then this is what would happen based on 308 seats.

NL - 5, PE - 1, NB - 7, NS- 9 (Atlantic = 22 seats)
Ontario = 119 seats
Quebec = 73 seats
MB - 11, SK - 10, AB - 31, BC - 41 (West = 93 seats)
North = 1 seat

So what would this accomplish? The west would have 1 extra seat, the North would share 1 seat collectively, Atlantic Canada would lose 10 seats, Quebec would lose 2 seats and lo and behold Ontario would pick up an extra 13 seats.

Looks like that would shift the balance of power further into Ontario's hands.

So the moral of the story is if you want more say, get more people! Until that happens, stop complaining about seat distribution, if any one is getting the shaft, it is Ontario!

The whole western shift is happening in the States too, but unlike Canada, the population is shifting as well. New York, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, etc are losing folk, whereas Arizona, California and Washington are gaining. Washington, D.C. listens to California cause it has over 30 million people, more than any other state. They don't listen as much to Oregon, cause they only have around 3 million.

 

[Jo Canadian]

If anyone gets slightly more, it is the North

The north does get alot of help when it comes to social funding and such. However since it is a territory, It doesn't get to keep any revenue...it all goes straight to Ottawa. With all the new mines and discoveries up there Ottawa has a cash cow with the NWT when it comes to revenue from natural resources. Whereas Alberta gets to keep much of the revenue from Oil and gives out a share to the feds, The NWT gets to see all of its gold and diamond revenue go straight down south...and a bit east, before it gets any of the share back.

 

[gftrcoach]

Looks like mattmoses didn't stick around.

I love it here in the States, I got a shoulder fixed when I first got here that I could never get the system to take care of in Canada, I pay so much lower taxes it's truly incredible. Those management reports that suggest that there is not much difference are truly nuts.

I also noticed once I started spending weeks and months at a time in different locations that what is called "poverty" here is really not the same as in Canada. Poor projects and poor neighborhoods have nice new cars out front, big TV's, stereo's, it's simply not anywhere near as bad as Canadian papers make it out to be.

I thought gun laws would be a problem, but now I believe in the concept, it took me a couple of years to rid the last vestiges of socialist stateism that Canadians love so much, I believe in this system far more than the endless cycle of Eastern piousness in Canada.

I haven't locked my home in 4 years, and I live in an average middle class neighborhood.

And no bugs, let me tell you, the joy I experience seeing no ice in the winter, virtually no pesky bugs in the summer, golfing till December and starting again in February, the best skiing just 25 minutes away and not having to ski at 20 below, 90 degree weather all summer with low humidity, I could go on for hours. Canadians can't do anything about that, but they could change the economic climate.

It is not the least bit unusual here for an entrepreneur to make a lot of money for 5 years and be done for the rest of their life. I have met very few old Doctors, dentists, lawyers, engineers etc. At 45-50 they are all retired already or living off their companies.

When I moved down, I needed some venture capital and within weeks I had lists of HUNDREDS of people who seemed very average who were already retired and basically investing for further income and I ended up with not only 5 solid investors but also three great mentors who were younger than I, had already made their millions and were more than willing to share their expertise.

The staggering amount of wealth here that is not obvious is absolutely amazing, and I live in a low income State. I tried three different ventures in Canada and it was like pulling teeth to get money compared to here, far more friendly, trusting and helpful here all the way around.

Day to day while I don't see many South East Asians or many Eastern Asians, there is a large number of ex Brits, Polynesians, "Hispanics" and Europeans here. It's true it doesn't "feel" as diverse, I also see some really dynamic people from all over the world here who are in business and doing very well.

I can report that Americans are wonderful neighbors, fun to do business with, easy to get along with and as diverse as Canadians generally. I moved to Alberta from Montreal to get away from liberalism, and thankfully America is wonderfully right of center and far more compassionate than Canadians. We don't tend to whine as much to want the government to do things for us and we quietly give billions to many charities.

Also we are free to move about the world and collect our pensions and SS, and invest wherever we want without restriction. There are not any more homeless here then what it seemed like in Edmonton, and I've never felt unsafe anywhere even in places that TV makes sound so horrible in Canada.

All in all I am THRILLED to move here and I am now a citizen and will be able to vote again, that's important to me.

America is a place I would choose to live and the weather is just an absolutely delightful bonus. Anyone wanting a great life and far far far more freedom and a fantastic medical system, find a way to move down here, it really is very different from the notions that most Canadians have!

Gleb

 

[gftrcoach]

Looks like mattmoses didn't stick around.

I love it here in the States, I got a shoulder fixed when I first got here that I could never get the system to take care of in Canada, I pay so much lower taxes it's truly incredible. Those management reports that suggest that there is not much difference are truly nuts.

I also noticed once I started spending weeks and months at a time in different locations that what is called "poverty" here is really not the same as in Canada. Poor projects and poor neighborhoods have nice new cars out front, big TV's, stereo's, it's simply not anywhere near as bad as Canadian papers make it out to be.

I thought gun laws would be a problem, but now I believe in the concept, it took me a couple of years to rid the last vestiges of socialist stateism that Canadians love so much, I believe in this system far more than the endless cycle of Eastern piousness in Canada.

I haven't locked my home in 4 years, and I live in an average middle class neighborhood.

And no bugs, let me tell you, the joy I experience seeing no ice in the winter, virtually no pesky bugs in the summer, golfing till December and starting again in February, the best skiing just 25 minutes away and not having to ski at 20 below, 90 degree weather all summer with low humidity, I could go on for hours. Canadians can't do anything about that, but they could change the economic climate.

It is not the least bit unusual here for an entrepreneur to make a lot of money for 5 years and be done for the rest of their life. I have met very few old Doctors, dentists, lawyers, engineers etc. At 45-50 they are all retired already or living off their companies.

When I moved down, I needed some venture capital and within weeks I had lists of HUNDREDS of people who seemed very average who were already retired and basically investing for further income and I ended up with not only 5 solid investors but also three great mentors who were younger than I, had already made their millions and were more than willing to share their expertise.

The staggering amount of wealth here that is not obvious is absolutely amazing, and I live in a low income State. I tried three different ventures in Canada and it was like pulling teeth to get money compared to here, far more friendly, trusting and helpful here all the way around.

Day to day while I don't see many South East Asians or many Eastern Asians, there is a large number of ex Brits, Polynesians, "Hispanics" and Europeans here. It's true it doesn't "feel" as diverse, I also see some really dynamic people from all over the world here who are in business and doing very well.

I can report that Americans are wonderful neighbors, fun to do business with, easy to get along with and as diverse as Canadians generally. I moved to Alberta from Montreal to get away from liberalism, and thankfully America is wonderfully right of center and far more compassionate than Canadians. We don't tend to whine as much to want the government to do things for us and we quietly give billions to many charities.

Also we are free to move about the world and collect our pensions and SS, and invest wherever we want without restriction. There are not any more homeless here then what it seemed like in Edmonton, and I've never felt unsafe anywhere even in places that TV makes sound so horrible in Canada.

All in all I am THRILLED to move here and I am now a citizen and will be able to vote again, that's important to me.

America is a place I would choose to live and the weather is just an absolutely delightful bonus. Anyone wanting a great life and far far far more freedom and a fantastic medical system, find a way to move down here, it really is very different from the notions that most Canadians have!

Gleb

 

[bluealberta]

Looks like mattmoses didn't stick around.

I love it here in the States, I got a shoulder fixed when I first got here that I could never get the system to take care of in Canada, I pay so much lower taxes it's truly incredible. Those management reports that suggest that there is not much difference are truly nuts.

I also noticed once I started spending weeks and months at a time in different locations that what is called "poverty" here is really not the same as in Canada. Poor projects and poor neighborhoods have nice new cars out front, big TV's, stereo's, it's simply not anywhere near as bad as Canadian papers make it out to be.

I thought gun laws would be a problem, but now I believe in the concept, it took me a couple of years to rid the last vestiges of socialist stateism that Canadians love so much, I believe in this system far more than the endless cycle of Eastern piousness in Canada.

I haven't locked my home in 4 years, and I live in an average middle class neighborhood.

And no bugs, let me tell you, the joy I experience seeing no ice in the winter, virtually no pesky bugs in the summer, golfing till December and starting again in February, the best skiing just 25 minutes away and not having to ski at 20 below, 90 degree weather all summer with low humidity, I could go on for hours. Canadians can't do anything about that, but they could change the economic climate.

It is not the least bit unusual here for an entrepreneur to make a lot of money for 5 years and be done for the rest of their life. I have met very few old Doctors, dentists, lawyers, engineers etc. At 45-50 they are all retired already or living off their companies.

When I moved down, I needed some venture capital and within weeks I had lists of HUNDREDS of people who seemed very average who were already retired and basically investing for further income and I ended up with not only 5 solid investors but also three great mentors who were younger than I, had already made their millions and were more than willing to share their expertise.

The staggering amount of wealth here that is not obvious is absolutely amazing, and I live in a low income State. I tried three different ventures in Canada and it was like pulling teeth to get money compared to here, far more friendly, trusting and helpful here all the way around.

Day to day while I don't see many South East Asians or many Eastern Asians, there is a large number of ex Brits, Polynesians, "Hispanics" and Europeans here. It's true it doesn't "feel" as diverse, I also see some really dynamic people from all over the world here who are in business and doing very well.

I can report that Americans are wonderful neighbors, fun to do business with, easy to get along with and as diverse as Canadians generally. I moved to Alberta from Montreal to get away from liberalism, and thankfully America is wonderfully right of center and far more compassionate than Canadians. We don't tend to whine as much to want the government to do things for us and we quietly give billions to many charities.

Also we are free to move about the world and collect our pensions and SS, and invest wherever we want without restriction. There are not any more homeless here then what it seemed like in Edmonton, and I've never felt unsafe anywhere even in places that TV makes sound so horrible in Canada.

All in all I am THRILLED to move here and I am now a citizen and will be able to vote again, that's important to me.

America is a place I would choose to live and the weather is just an absolutely delightful bonus. Anyone wanting a great life and far far far more freedom and a fantastic medical system, find a way to move down here, it really is very different from the notions that most Canadians have!

Gleb

Very interesting post, echoes exactly what my relatives living in the States say, some of whom live in utah as well.

As you alluded to, the comments from some in Canada about the US are not based on facts, but the more the unfounded allegations are repeated, the more people who won't actually do any research believe them. Glad to hear you are doing well, and from one Albertan to an ex-Albertan, have fun!

 

[bluealberta]

Looks like mattmoses didn't stick around.

I love it here in the States, I got a shoulder fixed when I first got here that I could never get the system to take care of in Canada, I pay so much lower taxes it's truly incredible. Those management reports that suggest that there is not much difference are truly nuts.

I also noticed once I started spending weeks and months at a time in different locations that what is called "poverty" here is really not the same as in Canada. Poor projects and poor neighborhoods have nice new cars out front, big TV's, stereo's, it's simply not anywhere near as bad as Canadian papers make it out to be.

I thought gun laws would be a problem, but now I believe in the concept, it took me a couple of years to rid the last vestiges of socialist stateism that Canadians love so much, I believe in this system far more than the endless cycle of Eastern piousness in Canada.

I haven't locked my home in 4 years, and I live in an average middle class neighborhood.

And no bugs, let me tell you, the joy I experience seeing no ice in the winter, virtually no pesky bugs in the summer, golfing till December and starting again in February, the best skiing just 25 minutes away and not having to ski at 20 below, 90 degree weather all summer with low humidity, I could go on for hours. Canadians can't do anything about that, but they could change the economic climate.

It is not the least bit unusual here for an entrepreneur to make a lot of money for 5 years and be done for the rest of their life. I have met very few old Doctors, dentists, lawyers, engineers etc. At 45-50 they are all retired already or living off their companies.

When I moved down, I needed some venture capital and within weeks I had lists of HUNDREDS of people who seemed very average who were already retired and basically investing for further income and I ended up with not only 5 solid investors but also three great mentors who were younger than I, had already made their millions and were more than willing to share their expertise.

The staggering amount of wealth here that is not obvious is absolutely amazing, and I live in a low income State. I tried three different ventures in Canada and it was like pulling teeth to get money compared to here, far more friendly, trusting and helpful here all the way around.

Day to day while I don't see many South East Asians or many Eastern Asians, there is a large number of ex Brits, Polynesians, "Hispanics" and Europeans here. It's true it doesn't "feel" as diverse, I also see some really dynamic people from all over the world here who are in business and doing very well.

I can report that Americans are wonderful neighbors, fun to do business with, easy to get along with and as diverse as Canadians generally. I moved to Alberta from Montreal to get away from liberalism, and thankfully America is wonderfully right of center and far more compassionate than Canadians. We don't tend to whine as much to want the government to do things for us and we quietly give billions to many charities.

Also we are free to move about the world and collect our pensions and SS, and invest wherever we want without restriction. There are not any more homeless here then what it seemed like in Edmonton, and I've never felt unsafe anywhere even in places that TV makes sound so horrible in Canada.

All in all I am THRILLED to move here and I am now a citizen and will be able to vote again, that's important to me.

America is a place I would choose to live and the weather is just an absolutely delightful bonus. Anyone wanting a great life and far far far more freedom and a fantastic medical system, find a way to move down here, it really is very different from the notions that most Canadians have!

Gleb

 

[no1important]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

Utah? Try going to Chicago, LA or any other big city. They have slums upon slums that make Kabul look like disneyland.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

Utah? Try going to Chicago, LA or any other big city. They have slums upon slums that make Kabul look like disneyland.

As do some areas in Bananada. So what? The post basically refuted a lot of points the left makes against the US. Is the US perfect? Hardly. Is Bananada perfect? Hardly. Is any country perfect? hardly. However, the left continually holds out this boogey man spectre of the US that this poster has refuted to some degree.