What I realy find funny is that under the name of bluealberta it's written:
"Needs to get out more"
How appropriate...
"Needs to get out more"
How appropriate...
Canadians Moving to the US
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Re: RE: Canadians Moving to the US
........can we get out more with you when you go......
Nosferax said:
........can we get out more with you when you go......
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Yup, that's what you are told. I went to a jazz bar on the south side of Chicago in an area considered dangerous, and while it's not real friendly, it's no where near as bad as the press relates.
I also visited a Canadian teacher in Compton, south LA basically and she grabbed a friend, another canuck from Toronto who is a nurse nearby at a hospital and we had lunch together. We all laughed at the impressions we were sold in Canada, here we were, three white people in what is supposidly the most dangerous streets in one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the entire USA, being served by a Korean gentleman from South Africa of all places and an Arab Muslim as the bus boy. Three african americans in the next table asked where we were from and enjoyed a conversation about how in America as well people think places are far worse then they really are. We concluded - too much TV on both sides of the border.
Gleb
no1important said:
Yup, that's what you are told. I went to a jazz bar on the south side of Chicago in an area considered dangerous, and while it's not real friendly, it's no where near as bad as the press relates.
I also visited a Canadian teacher in Compton, south LA basically and she grabbed a friend, another canuck from Toronto who is a nurse nearby at a hospital and we had lunch together. We all laughed at the impressions we were sold in Canada, here we were, three white people in what is supposidly the most dangerous streets in one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the entire USA, being served by a Korean gentleman from South Africa of all places and an Arab Muslim as the bus boy. Three african americans in the next table asked where we were from and enjoyed a conversation about how in America as well people think places are far worse then they really are. We concluded - too much TV on both sides of the border.
Gleb
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Gleb, thanks again, unfortunately you are trying to convince a whole lot of people whose best interest is served by continually running down everything the US does, and spinning what even everyone agrees is good into some sort of "They only did it for the benefit of the US", like the tsnumami relief. I personally think these people are afraid of the US, and if they had to actually accept the truth, it would totally destroy their preconceptions of what life in the US is really like. We travel extensively in the US Northwest, primarily Montana, and have had nothing but good experiences, even the summer after 9-11. We have no problem entering the US, and quite frankly, have a harder time coming through Canadian customs back into our own country. I find the people we meet on our trips very friendly, and as we do a lot of camping in Glacier National Park, we meet people from all over the US, not just Montana, and the vast majority are great, friendly people who treat us with respect and kindness. (Some who know about the Canadian political scene treat us with pity, but that's another story :wink: . Anyway, don't worry about the response of the US haters, nothing will change their minds, which is fine with me, they won't go to the US, and those of us who do won't get blamed for their attitudes and ignorance. We are looking into moving to the US should things not change here soon, so maybe I will contact you for some information about how to facilitate this, if the time comes.
gftrcoach said:
Gleb, thanks again, unfortunately you are trying to convince a whole lot of people whose best interest is served by continually running down everything the US does, and spinning what even everyone agrees is good into some sort of "They only did it for the benefit of the US", like the tsnumami relief. I personally think these people are afraid of the US, and if they had to actually accept the truth, it would totally destroy their preconceptions of what life in the US is really like. We travel extensively in the US Northwest, primarily Montana, and have had nothing but good experiences, even the summer after 9-11. We have no problem entering the US, and quite frankly, have a harder time coming through Canadian customs back into our own country. I find the people we meet on our trips very friendly, and as we do a lot of camping in Glacier National Park, we meet people from all over the US, not just Montana, and the vast majority are great, friendly people who treat us with respect and kindness. (Some who know about the Canadian political scene treat us with pity, but that's another story :wink: . Anyway, don't worry about the response of the US haters, nothing will change their minds, which is fine with me, they won't go to the US, and those of us who do won't get blamed for their attitudes and ignorance. We are looking into moving to the US should things not change here soon, so maybe I will contact you for some information about how to facilitate this, if the time comes.
The reason my frined here has not heard of anyone wanting to move to the U.S. for politically reasons is because he is in Toronto. My experience from living in Toronto for 20 years is that it is an Urban liberal NDP territory in general and therefore in step with the Government of the Country. If you travel to my area (Eastern Ontario south of Ottawa) you will find a different story. 1st of all the towns and villages of this area are very much like the towns and villages of upstate New York in look, attitude and conservative values. Most people in this area don't see two countries be rather the area of Ontario and the area of New York. Therefore beyond the fact that you require paperwork to move it doesn't take anymore to move from here to there then a move from any town to any town.
The government of late has very much ticked off people in this area and I am one of these people you wonder about. I find that my thoughts and feeling are closer to the American value system and presently looking to move to the U.S. This is partly that I admire the system there and mainly because I have had it with the Canadian system.
Upholding a broken medical system as a great standard, taking tax money and sending it to political friends, transfering tax money from our neighbourhoods to the government them back to our cities, politians switching parties mid stream, and the forever Quebec issue have made me wonder what exactly is so great about this country..and finding most people in this country are willing to accept this all and continue to vote for the powers that be..just discusting!!
I don't think I could leave fast enough ....and I don't mind if the door does hit me on the way out..I'd rather shake my head from the outside of this mess..not from within!!!
The government of late has very much ticked off people in this area and I am one of these people you wonder about. I find that my thoughts and feeling are closer to the American value system and presently looking to move to the U.S. This is partly that I admire the system there and mainly because I have had it with the Canadian system.
Upholding a broken medical system as a great standard, taking tax money and sending it to political friends, transfering tax money from our neighbourhoods to the government them back to our cities, politians switching parties mid stream, and the forever Quebec issue have made me wonder what exactly is so great about this country..and finding most people in this country are willing to accept this all and continue to vote for the powers that be..just discusting!!
I don't think I could leave fast enough ....and I don't mind if the door does hit me on the way out..I'd rather shake my head from the outside of this mess..not from within!!!
RE: Canadians Moving to t
Oh please, this doesn't just happen between Canada and the US this happens between cities in the same bloody country. I live in Surrey. People in Victoria freak out thinking it's dangerous and terrible. Little do they know that people in Victoria turn up dead for very small reasons. I know. My ex and his business buddies removed individuals who didn't pay their debts.
Every place has it's elements. It's not a border thing. It's not US Canada thing.....It's a people thing.
Oh please, this doesn't just happen between Canada and the US this happens between cities in the same bloody country. I live in Surrey. People in Victoria freak out thinking it's dangerous and terrible. Little do they know that people in Victoria turn up dead for very small reasons. I know. My ex and his business buddies removed individuals who didn't pay their debts.
Every place has it's elements. It's not a border thing. It's not US Canada thing.....It's a people thing.
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There are more Canadians living in America than the other way around. I moved to the US for employment opportunities. I know a lot of Canadians who have moved down here but none came down for political reasons. However, most would not go back to Canada now. There is a good book by Jeffrey Simpson called Star Spangled Canadians where he interviews Canadian ex-pats living in the States. Most gave the same sentiment - though we miss Canada, we become adjusted to the life down here and would not return. Taxes are lower, there is more opportunity, there is generally a greater sense of optimism, medical care is better, the political environment was better (no Quebec discussion) though my guess is that perception has changed since Bush was elected. That doesn't mean Canada isn't a great country or doesn't have a lot going for it, because it is and it does. Most Canadians don't want to be America, but those who come down here generally do not go back.
There are more Canadians living in America than the other way around. I moved to the US for employment opportunities. I know a lot of Canadians who have moved down here but none came down for political reasons. However, most would not go back to Canada now. There is a good book by Jeffrey Simpson called Star Spangled Canadians where he interviews Canadian ex-pats living in the States. Most gave the same sentiment - though we miss Canada, we become adjusted to the life down here and would not return. Taxes are lower, there is more opportunity, there is generally a greater sense of optimism, medical care is better, the political environment was better (no Quebec discussion) though my guess is that perception has changed since Bush was elected. That doesn't mean Canada isn't a great country or doesn't have a lot going for it, because it is and it does. Most Canadians don't want to be America, but those who come down here generally do not go back.
My ex and his business buddies removed individuals who didn't pay their debts.
Pssst....okay gang lets not do anything to get twinks pissed off at us..*gulps* *gulps again* 8O
Pssst....okay gang lets not do anything to get twinks pissed off at us..*gulps* *gulps again* 8O
RE: Canadians Moving to t
My problem in Canada is that no one seems to want to do anything when there are problems..All this scandal going on within our federal system right now and most Canadians will still prop up the government. Our Medical system is dieingt a slow painful death, but no one has the guts to do anything about. As you said there is a more optimistic outlook in the U.S. whereas there seems to be a "what are you going to do about it" approach here. I do not fine day to day life much differnt in either two countries until there is a problem then the difference shows its self
My problem in Canada is that no one seems to want to do anything when there are problems..All this scandal going on within our federal system right now and most Canadians will still prop up the government. Our Medical system is dieingt a slow painful death, but no one has the guts to do anything about. As you said there is a more optimistic outlook in the U.S. whereas there seems to be a "what are you going to do about it" approach here. I do not fine day to day life much differnt in either two countries until there is a problem then the difference shows its self
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This is dead on. I know lots of people who say "The States, I'd never live there. Too much violence, too much poverty, blah, blah, blah." The city I live in Tallahassee is about the same size of a city I lived in Canada - Saskatoon. Guess what, the murder rate is half that of Saskatoon, there's less poor, nobody locks their doors here, etc. Its mythology. All nations need their myths and Canada certainly perpetuates one about America to make Canadians feel better about themselves.
bluealberta said:
This is dead on. I know lots of people who say "The States, I'd never live there. Too much violence, too much poverty, blah, blah, blah." The city I live in Tallahassee is about the same size of a city I lived in Canada - Saskatoon. Guess what, the murder rate is half that of Saskatoon, there's less poor, nobody locks their doors here, etc. Its mythology. All nations need their myths and Canada certainly perpetuates one about America to make Canadians feel better about themselves.
RE: Canadians Moving to t
tell me about it..the great one is how dumb Americans are!!
Yep you go and have yak with someone who lives in the Ozarks your not going to get witty converstaion but hey I have met people in Canada who didn't know which Ocean was the Atlantic and which the Pacific...my god we are the same people, the same history the same background and hell the same problems. But one set of people whant to get it done..and the others want to complain.. Canada can be great country but not with the attitudes it holds so dear. The great talk is alway about the Health care Canada has..has anyone needed it lately? My Dad is waiting till Nov just to see a specialist. I read yesterday about a guy who didn';t have his health card and was sent from the hospital to get one..he died on the way!!! We don't pay any more then the U.S. for health care..just that we don't see the payments....What would be wrong with public insurance for private clinics...what is being served by not doing it?? Damn!!
tell me about it..the great one is how dumb Americans are!!
Yep you go and have yak with someone who lives in the Ozarks your not going to get witty converstaion but hey I have met people in Canada who didn't know which Ocean was the Atlantic and which the Pacific...my god we are the same people, the same history the same background and hell the same problems. But one set of people whant to get it done..and the others want to complain.. Canada can be great country but not with the attitudes it holds so dear. The great talk is alway about the Health care Canada has..has anyone needed it lately? My Dad is waiting till Nov just to see a specialist. I read yesterday about a guy who didn';t have his health card and was sent from the hospital to get one..he died on the way!!! We don't pay any more then the U.S. for health care..just that we don't see the payments....What would be wrong with public insurance for private clinics...what is being served by not doing it?? Damn!!
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This is true; there are lots of misconceptions. However aside from the climatic differences, I think I'd choose to live in Saskatoon over Tallahassee for no other reason than Saskatoon is in Canada and Tallahassee isn't. I've been to other places in the world, some a lot nicer than Canada (GTA in particular), but I couldn't live there, it wouldn't be my home.
I mean there is nothing here so bad that would drive me away. High taxes - money isn't the driving point in my life. No opportunities - opportunity is what you make of it; you just have to work a bit harder here. Poor climate - hurricanes, 40+ degrees Celsius arid heat, tornadoes, mudslides, earthquakes aren't that good either. Bad government - well we did elect them so if anyone is to blame then it is the people.
I like my home, I am biased, but who cares!
Toro said:
This is true; there are lots of misconceptions. However aside from the climatic differences, I think I'd choose to live in Saskatoon over Tallahassee for no other reason than Saskatoon is in Canada and Tallahassee isn't. I've been to other places in the world, some a lot nicer than Canada (GTA in particular), but I couldn't live there, it wouldn't be my home.
I mean there is nothing here so bad that would drive me away. High taxes - money isn't the driving point in my life. No opportunities - opportunity is what you make of it; you just have to work a bit harder here. Poor climate - hurricanes, 40+ degrees Celsius arid heat, tornadoes, mudslides, earthquakes aren't that good either. Bad government - well we did elect them so if anyone is to blame then it is the people.
I like my home, I am biased, but who cares!
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awe but that it what I was saying in my first posting here. Sure people usually like where they are our will even live with some hardships. Where I live (near the boarder on the St. Lawrence River) all the towns are about the same on both sides, Ogdensburg N.Y. is no different then Kemptville Ont. so I would not be trading winter for hurricanes just dumb goverment and health care for better.
awe but that it what I was saying in my first posting here. Sure people usually like where they are our will even live with some hardships. Where I live (near the boarder on the St. Lawrence River) all the towns are about the same on both sides, Ogdensburg N.Y. is no different then Kemptville Ont. so I would not be trading winter for hurricanes just dumb goverment and health care for better.
Bluealberta, Blah Blah Blah...is a peapod trademark. Anyways, we canadians make fun ourselves, and we make fun of americans, its all about making fun, just ask bubbles. But if you need that for a blunt tool, wotthehell.
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Saskatoon is actually a more interesting city than Tallahassee. The point I was trying to make is that there are a lot of misconceptions about America that is a function of Canadian culture. And you're certainly correct about the weather. We had 3 hurricanes and a tropical storm come over my house last year. But I'd rather live in +40C weather than -40C weather. The former is uncomfortable. The latter is too painful for me.
Of course they do. All countries need their myths. America has more than they're fair share of them. But so does Canada.
DasFX said:
Saskatoon is actually a more interesting city than Tallahassee. The point I was trying to make is that there are a lot of misconceptions about America that is a function of Canadian culture. And you're certainly correct about the weather. We had 3 hurricanes and a tropical storm come over my house last year. But I'd rather live in +40C weather than -40C weather. The former is uncomfortable. The latter is too painful for me.
Twila said:
Of course they do. All countries need their myths. America has more than they're fair share of them. But so does Canada.
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So why did you leave, was it just about money? If so, then you are probably in the right country now. Don't you miss Saskatoon? They have some good berries!
Toro said:
So why did you leave, was it just about money? If so, then you are probably in the right country now. Don't you miss Saskatoon? They have some good berries!