Canadians Moving to the US

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to the US

But when I cross that Peace bridge and head into Buffalo, my guard goes up and I know that I am in foreign territory.

We'll I guess you explained the reason. Your preconceived misconceptions of the US get your guard up.
Not that I'm blaming you or anything. I know when I make my soon-to-be trip to Canada, though, I'll keep my eyes peeled, so-to-speak. I know I'll be in hostile territory where most residents have biased ideas and promote bigotry towards me and those from my country. I'll be on guard, but I plan on enjoying the nature and the people who aren't hateful- as there are some Canadians who aren't that way.

Come on to Alberta, we still know how to treat friends, even if we do sometimes disagree. I think you would find Alberta and it's citizens to be most welcoming, and,hey, we have no sales tax, which no other provine in Canada can say. Come on and stay a while!!

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to the US

Come on to Alberta, we still know how to treat friends, even if we do sometimes disagree. I think you would find Alberta and it's citizens to be most welcoming, and,hey, we have no sales tax, which no other provine in Canada can say. Come on and stay a while!!

Yeah I suppose that's true, so long as you're not gay or native...

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

Ah, that tax thing again. It's like a fetish or something.

The last time I was in Calgary i found that they had no idea how to treat guests, Blue. It was cold and impersonal, leaving me with the definite impression all they wanted was my money. It was like dealing with an entire city of cheap hustlers.

It made me miss the days of my youth when Calgary was most welcoming to strangers and people were genuinely friendly.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

Ah, that tax thing again. It's like a fetish or something.

The last time I was in Calgary i found that they had no idea how to treat guests, Blue. It was cold and impersonal, leaving me with the definite impression all they wanted was my money. It was like dealing with an entire city of cheap hustlers.

It made me miss the days of my youth when Calgary was most welcoming to strangers and people were genuinely friendly.

Even Albertans have their limits to friendliness, especially to people who detest us. So in the days of your youth were there paved streets in Calgary when your wagon train arrived? I know there have been paved streets since the early 1900's.

And yes, we are justifiably proud of our debt free status, no sales tax status, low income tax rates, and economy that has people moving here in droves from all provinces, even Manitoba, clean air, great scenery, and a sense of independence based on we work very hard here for our successes, and when things don't go well, we pick up and start over again. Except for that nasty mad cow thing that the government seems to have no interest in trying to resolve.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to the US

Come on to Alberta, we still know how to treat friends, even if we do sometimes disagree. I think you would find Alberta and it's citizens to be most welcoming, and,hey, we have no sales tax, which no other provine in Canada can say. Come on and stay a while!!

Yeah I suppose that's true, so long as you're not gay or native...

Funny Vanni, I just got back from taking my son to a birthday party for a native friend (he is 14) who was on my sons hockey team this year, and who slept in our home and travelled with us all year. He is a great kid, loved to have him around. At this party there are about five or six native kids and five or six white kids. And this make me prejudiced how? There are stereotypes for every group, just don't lump us all in the worst example you can think of, okay?

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to the US

Funny Vanni, I just got back from taking my son to a birthday party for a native friend (he is 14) who was on my sons hockey team this year, and who slept in our home and travelled with us all year. He is a great kid, loved to have him around. At this party there are about five or six native kids and five or six white kids. And this make me prejudiced how? There are stereotypes for every group, just don't lump us all in the worst example you can think of, okay?

Yeah...but were any of them gay?

 

[Hard-Luck Henry]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to the US

Come on to Alberta, we still know how to treat friends, even if we do sometimes disagree. I think you would find Alberta and it's citizens to be most welcoming, and,hey, we have no sales tax, which no other provine in Canada can say. Come on and stay a while!!

Yeah I suppose that's true, so long as you're not gay or native...

Funny Vanni, I just got back from taking my son to a birthday party for a native friend (he is 14) who was on my sons hockey team this year, and who slept in our home and travelled with us all year. He is a great kid, loved to have him around. At this party there are about five or six native kids and five or six white kids. And this make me prejudiced how? There are stereotypes for every group, just don't lump us all in the worst example you can think of, okay?

You're right again, blue, in that you're not the worst example that one can think of, and good on you, for allowing a native kid to sleep in your home. But you do show a slight prejudice, by pointing out that there 'are about five or six native kids and five or six white kids.' I bet your son doesn't see it like that. We're not born prejudiced, it's something we learn. I'd imagine your son just sees ten or twelve friends. Keep up the good work. 8)

 

[Reverend Blair]

So in the days of your youth were there paved streets in Calgary when your wagon train arrived?

Actually that was in the middle of your last crash. You'll be there again, so don't go getting uppity. We were nice the last time. The next time we may just tell you to piss off and quit whining.

Except for that nasty mad cow thing that the government seems to have no interest in trying to resolve.

Of course if the Conservatives weren't screwing things up at every turn, something might happen.

There are stereotypes for every group, just don't lump us all in the worst example you can think of, okay?

There are. You just nailed the stereotype for the stupid rich white asshole who thinks he's doing natives a favour by letting them into his house.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to the US

Come on to Alberta, we still know how to treat friends, even if we do sometimes disagree. I think you would find Alberta and it's citizens to be most welcoming, and,hey, we have no sales tax, which no other provine in Canada can say. Come on and stay a while!!

Yeah I suppose that's true, so long as you're not gay or native...

Funny Vanni, I just got back from taking my son to a birthday party for a native friend (he is 14) who was on my sons hockey team this year, and who slept in our home and travelled with us all year. He is a great kid, loved to have him around. At this party there are about five or six native kids and five or six white kids. And this make me prejudiced how? There are stereotypes for every group, just don't lump us all in the worst example you can think of, okay?

You're right again, blue, in that you're not the worst example that one can think of, and good on you, for allowing a native kid to sleep in your home. But you do show a slight prejudice, by pointing out that there 'are about five or six native kids and five or six white kids.' I bet your son doesn't see it like that. We're not born prejudiced, it's something we learn. I'd imagine your son just sees ten or twelve friends. Keep up the good work. 8)

Henry, you make a good point, thanks. Actually, I coach the team my son is on, and year after year we have some native players, and I can honestly say that I don't think of tham as native players, just players. I have a lot of native friends, and my brother had a native friend as his best man at his wedding. I hesitate to point out the fact they are native because I agree with what you say, but I don't know how to make my point without making the distinction. I am glad that YOU get the point though. Based on the Revs response, which I will not dignify by showing in quotes again, he has a real problem with someone who will not fit his stereotype of a right wing person. Calling me rich is one of the most hilarious things I have heard, and I was not putting myself on any pedestal because this kid stayed with us, I was pointing out that I have absolutely not problem with it, and welcomed it, and actually encouraged my son to be friends with this kid, not because he was native, but because he was just a good kid who was fun to be around. In response to Vanni, I expected the gay comment, again, something to ignore simply because I don't care , and it is none of my business anyway. Thanks again, Henry.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

Give it up, Blue. Those of us who grew up with and deal with "native" people as a matter of course never would have brought it up. Having a native kid in your house was a special event for you...Something to brag about, like a trophy.

 

[bluealberta]

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Give it up, Blue. Those of us who grew up with and deal with "native" people as a matter of course never would have brought it up. Having a native kid in your house was a special event for you...Something to brag about, like a trophy.

You're a racist f*ck.

Actually, this is hilarious. You have no idea how I grew up. Vanni accused me of being prejudiced, this was just one example I could use to show I was not. Now you call me racist. No, I don't like anyone of any color, race, or sexual orientation who is intolerant of other people or their opinions. Conversely, I respect and admire anyone of any color, race, or sexual orientation who is tolerant of other people or their opinions. The kid I talked about yesterday is now at our house, my son having him over for the night after the party. Such racism is terrible, and to suggest it is a trophy, that is just sick, like you.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

Then why do you insist on using it as a trophy?

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

Then why do you insist on using it as a trophy?

You are the one who is hung up on the trophy issue, not me. I was accused of prejudice, and simply wanted to show that I was not. If this bothers you, oh well, get over it. I am sorry I don't fit your version of a right winger.

I am opposed as much to radical right wingers as I am opposed to radical left wingers. I am a centrist, but on the right side of center.

I do not want to abolish abortion, but also don't want it to be used as form of continuing birth control.

I do not support the gun registry. The money that was spent on that program could have put tens of thousands of actual police officers on the street.

I will not support Kyoto until there is no argument about the benefits of it.

I do not support national daycare as it is a costly program that is not needed. There are numerous subsidy programs in daycare now.

I support social programs that are responsible. By that I will use the Child Tax Credit (CTC) as one example. I think that this money should go to lower income people, not be universal. Don't reduce the fund, just provide it to the people who really need it.

I don't want to put gays in jail, and am not opposed to SS unions, but I do want to maintain the tradional definition of marriage as a union between a man and a woman.

I do support increasing military spending, as I don't think a country can be called fully sovereign unless they can at least start to defend themselves.

I support the Canada Health Act, but if we accept the premise that there are some large problems with our health care system, then I support the idea of looking at all alternatives from many countries, including the use of private facilities, to improve the system. I do not want to turn anyone away based on income levels.

I do not want to legalize pot, nor do I want to legalize prostitution. It is my belief that pot use can and does in many cases, lead to more drug use, and prostitution has many detrimental affects on society.

I think we should try to be friendly with our largest neighbor and trading partner for obvious fiscal and trade reasons. We are too small to be isolationist.

I think the current goverment should be thrown out of office due to the scandal and criminal activities that have been discovered. If the current prime minister did not know about this when he was the finance minister, then he is incompetent and should not be allowed to run this country. If he knew about it, same thing.

And finally, Rev, I do not beat up on homeless people, and I am not a racist. If you think this makes me a radical right winger, so be it, I cannot help how you feel.

 

[I think not]

Here's a question directed to Mr. Not:

If the insured health coverage is as nifty as you say it is, and that prescription medication is at a largely reduced rate, why are so many seemingly affluent Americans getting their medication in Canada?

Why is your government shutting down internet pharmacies?

Why are people streaming across the border to get flu injections from Canadian clinics?

Affluent Americans buy medication from Canada? People with no health insurance yes. If you have health insurance you don't need to buy drugs from Canada.

I really have no idea what you're talking about regarding internet pharmacies. Read this in an NDP bulletin maybe?

Vanni get serious please about the flu shots, there was a shortage this year and I find it hard to believe you didn't know that.

 

[no1important]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

Affluent Americans buy medication from Canada?

Yes they do. Go visit these "pharmacies" in White Rock and you will see what I mean.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

Affluent Americans buy medication from Canada?

Yes they do. Go visit these "pharmacies" in White Rock and you will see what I mean.

If they are affluent why do they need to cross the border to buy medication? For all practical purposes they dont need insurance if they are affluent, right? Uninsured, yes I believe they would.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Affluent Americans buy medication from Canada? People with no health insurance yes. If you have health insurance you don't need to buy drugs from Canada.

Well, maybe this coincides with the internet pharmacies that you know nothing about...

I really have no idea what you're talking about regarding internet pharmacies. Read this in an NDP bulletin maybe?

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/01/21/canadian.drug.sales/index.html

http://www.aarp.org/bulletin/prescription/canada_dry.html

http://www.canadadrugtalk.com/

Vanni get serious please about the flu shots, there was a shortage this year and I find it hard to believe you didn't know that.

Well, that was sort of my point, in that a market driven health care system that is so closely tied to the pharmaceutical cartels is not very efficient if it cannot forecast supply and demand for adequate service delivery.

 

[I think not]

I saw nothing in those articles about affluent americans, it doesn't even make any sense.

To my knowledge this is the first time we had a flu shot shortage.

I misunderstood what you were talking about in internet pharmacies, I thought you meant domestic.

Here's the bottom line Vanni, you can believe or not. You cannot compare insured Americans with any health care anywhere. People dont come to the US for health care because they arent getting quality health care (and before you leap before you think, its not only the rich that come here)

I know very well what I pay, what friends of mine pay etc....
What access to health care we have and what we don't. What drugs cost etc...If you feel the Canadian health care system is better than that of the US then more power to you, I am not in the Canadian system and hence I cannot see its flaws and perfections. I am not comparing anything, I think we have a great deal to fix and I think I have made that pretty clear all along. I was asked to give an analysis of health care costs by bluealberta and I did that. You can attempt to debunk anything you wish but it will not change anything. When you compare situations try and compare apples with apples if you would, it makes the discussion a whole lot more interesting.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

I'm not debunking anything...I just asked some questions and got a lot of flak...

You seem to believe that your system serves you well, and that's fine...

What I believe is that the Canadian system of healthcare was once great, but has been left to languish, possibly on purpose...

Those that are pushing to privatize healthcare have totally disregarded the Romanow Report...this smacks of arrogance and callumny...

Much will need to be done to revive the healthcare system in Canada, but in my opinion, privatization will have far-reaching adverse effects, as one of our country's cherished institutions falls prey to, and must rely on service delivery by multi-national healthcare corporations...

Yet, neither will throwing money at the problem make it go away...

 

[I think not]

I have to agree with you that full privatization is not the way to go either (40 million uninsured Americans can attest to that).
I've always believed in a combination of the two.
Tell you what Vanni, I think in a couple of days I will be finished reading the Romanow report (thanks for providing me with 400 pages of material). Part of the reason I want to read it, is not so much to understand what needs to be fixed in Canada, but moreso to see if any of the information can provide fixes for us here.
When I'm done reading it, I'll start a new thread on Health care in the US, provide my opinions and facts and I'll comment on the Romanow report also. And from what I have been understanding, there is no Canadian health care per say, its more along the lines of health care systems in each province with minor differences, or am I incorrect in assuming so?