Canadian sues claiming groping, strip search abuse at U.S. border

earth_as_one

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Civil Rights for Travelers

...We are committed to making each traveler's screening experience as pleasant and smooth as possible. We are also committed to treating each traveler with dignity and respect throughout the screening process...

...We treat all members of the traveling public in a manner free from unlawful discrimination, harassment or retaliation. To emphasize our commitment to TSA employees and the traveling public, TSA issued its Civil Rights Policy Statement.

Quite simply, our policy statement assures travelers they will be treated in a fair, lawful and nondiscriminatory manner. It also emphasizes we have no tolerance for harassment in the treatment of the public we serve....

TSA: Civil Rights for Travelers

the link also describes the procedure for filing complaints.

In order for me to believe someone, I just have to judge they are a credible witness.

Based on this woman's testimony and her background, I judge her to be a credible witness.
 
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CDNBear

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Nope, yer wrong there eao. If'n ya break the law, they gots the right ta sexually asault ya'll.
So these two women have been found guilty in a court of law?

Can you point out that fact somewhere? Or is this where you have tried them by the news and now feel comfy hanging them like a nice little lynch mob?

Strip searched for what? Cherries?
African barking spiders.

Civil Rights for Travelers

...We are committed to making each traveler's screening experience as pleasant and smooth as possible. We are also committed to treating each traveler with dignity and respect throughout the screening process...

...We treat all members of the traveling public in a manner free from unlawful discrimination, harassment or retaliation. To emphasize our commitment to TSA employees and the traveling public, TSA issued its Civil Rights Policy Statement.

Quite simply, our policy statement assures travelers they will be treated in a fair, lawful and nondiscriminatory manner. It also emphasizes we have no tolerance for harassment in the treatment of the public we serve....

TSA: Civil Rights for Travelers
Is that a law?

Nope...

Right in your own post...

TSA issued its Civil Rights Policy Statement
 

gerryh

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So these two women have been found guilty in a court of law?

Can you point out that fact somewhere? Or is this where you have tried them by the news and now feel comfy hanging them like a nice little lynch mob?


I see..... so the lady with the alleged contraband raspberries WAS found guilty in a court of law. Can you supply that link please?
 

CDNBear

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I see..... so the lady with the alleged contraband raspberries WAS found guilty in a court of law.
You really aren't aware of the fact that you can be detained and strip searched at the border without being found guilty in a court of law?

Travel much?

Can you supply that link please?
To common knowledge? No, most people figure that sh!t out on their own.

Hence why you don't have hundreds of thousands of people bitching at the media and filing frivolous lawsuits, daily.

You don't like how the system works, try not to provoke it, or move to the US and try and change it from within. Before you go though, change the Canadian Border Services while your at it. They have the same policy.
 

gerryh

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strip search and sexual groping are different things.... but that's fine. Obviously you don't see a difference.
 

Machjo

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In order for me to believe someone, I just have to judge they are a credible witness.

Based on this woman's testimony and her background, I judge her to be a credible witness.

You have to be careful in this belief. I remember reading that apparently the police had suspected Col. Williams earlier but ignored their hunches initially because of his social position. Inversely, I remember the case of a homeless man saving some people in drowning a few years ago.

Now you tell me, if Col. Williams and this homeless man had different testimonies, which one would you believe. Or if you were a police officer investigating a series of murders, would you overlook Col. Williams to focus on the homeless man?

I'm not necessarily disputing the woman's testimony here, but merely a logical flaw in your argument. I take her word not because of any social position but merely because she has not given me reason to disbelieve her yet. That said, should the TSA claim it's not true, I'd also have to take their word for it until evidence to the contrary comes out too. In the end, it is a he-said-she-said situation.
 

CDNBear

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strip search and sexual groping are different things.... but that's fine.
No kidding they are. But we're talking about an accusation, not a matter of fact.

Here, let me show you how that works...

Gh, you raped me!!!

Is it true?

No, but I can say it. I can even file a lawsuit. The fact that she filed a lawsuit and not criminal charges speaks volumes.

Obviously you don't see a difference.
On the contrary, I do. It is you that doesn't understand the difference between an accusation and a fact.

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I missed this edit...

the link also describes the procedure for filing complaints.

In order for me to believe someone, I just have to judge they are a credible witness.

Based on this woman's testimony and her background, I judge her to be a credible witness.
Ya, a credible witness that files a lawsuit, not a complaint.
 

petros

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You really aren't aware of the fact that you can be detained and strip searched at the border without being found guilty in a court of law?

Travel much?

To common knowledge? No, most people figure that sh!t out on their own.

Hence why you don't have hundreds of thousands of people bitching at the media and filing frivolous lawsuits, daily.

You don't like how the system works, try not to provoke it, or move to the US and try and change it from within. Before you go though, change the Canadian Border Services while your at it. They have the same policy.
They have a barrel for any regulated food products at the border crossings around here.

Are raspberries probable cause for a strip search?

It's well known that raspberries are a gateway fruit?
 

CDNBear

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Are raspberries probable cause for a strip search?
Nope. So one has to ask themselves, why would they strip search her?

I've had friends picked randomly for it.

It's well known that raspberries are a gateway fruit?
Again, one has to ask why the escalation then.

Or are you suggesting, that two female boder guards, took it upon themselves to just pick on this one lady...

Because they are dykes?

For sh!ts and giggles?

Cuz they be Merican's?

What?
 

petros

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Nope. So one has to ask themselves, why would they strip search her?

I've had friends picked randomly for it.

Again, one has to ask why the escalation then.

Or are you suggesting, that two female boder guards, took it upon themselves to just pick on this one lady...

Because they are dykes?

For sh!ts and giggles?

Cuz they be Merican's?

What?
We'll have to wait for disclosure from the plaintiff because the US ain't talkin'.
 

Praxius

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One thing I'm curious about is if you're already stripped down and wearing absoloutely no clothing.... what's the reason for the groping of the breasts and/or genitals?

I could see some mere justification if you were still wearing clothes.... but if you're naked, isn't a visual inspection good enough?

This just in:

Next year the US Border Agency is planning to impliment Parting of Butt Cheeks and Blowing of the Anus.
 

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"Again, one has to ask why the escalation then. Or are you suggesting, that two female boder guards, took it upon themselves to just pick on this one lady...Because they are dykes? For sh!ts and giggles? Cuz they be Merican's?
What?"
Just 'cause they can...?.....
 

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Anyone gropes me I smirk at them and give em' a wink and just tell them I'm a hippie from the west coast and tell them how erotic this all is.
 

petros

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What would they think if you purposely went into their offices and dropped trou yelling "finger me, finger me!"