Canadian Smoking Laws
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The problem is, once you give people something, it becomes distilled as a right and it's almost impossible to remove it from society without a major backlash. Cigarettes fall into that category; there are those that will spend all of their savings just to get them. Look at alcohol in the prohibition era; remove the right, and people will do their darndest to skirt the law to obtain it, even if the consequences were nothing to make light of. Or guns in the US; look how many people get up in arms (sorry for the pun) when gun control is even mentioned - they enact an archaic, grey-area part of the Constitution as irrefutable proof they should be able to carry a shotgun in their car, and are prepared to go to war for their rights as a gun owner.
I personally like the laws; I grew up in Ottawa, where they were one of the first to enact the golden anti-smoking by-laws, and it was glorious to be able to go places and not have to smell like an ashtray for days after. Having done so for a time in high school, I can now saw that smoking is a gross habit to have, and I think that if there are designated outdoor areas, that should appease most smokers (as we have seen so far), but to push the issue further so quickly would cause a major backlash that would ultimately take all of the progress made so far back a step.
True story: we used to do karate at this bingo hall when we were having our building redone. You could walk into this place and even though they had bingo a few days in advance and they had installed those smoke filters, it still reeked; the walls had a nice yellow colour instilled into them. So we played it safe and washed the floor. Twice. Scrubbing by hand. And what happened within 10 minutes of getting back onto that floor? Our feet had half an inch of sticky black, brown and yellow nicotine goo engrained into them, which took several scrubs to get rid of aesthetically, and several more days to get rid of smell-wise. Every time I think I want a smoke, I remember the crap on my feet and think how nice that would be on my lungs; it works.
I personally like the laws; I grew up in Ottawa, where they were one of the first to enact the golden anti-smoking by-laws, and it was glorious to be able to go places and not have to smell like an ashtray for days after. Having done so for a time in high school, I can now saw that smoking is a gross habit to have, and I think that if there are designated outdoor areas, that should appease most smokers (as we have seen so far), but to push the issue further so quickly would cause a major backlash that would ultimately take all of the progress made so far back a step.
True story: we used to do karate at this bingo hall when we were having our building redone. You could walk into this place and even though they had bingo a few days in advance and they had installed those smoke filters, it still reeked; the walls had a nice yellow colour instilled into them. So we played it safe and washed the floor. Twice. Scrubbing by hand. And what happened within 10 minutes of getting back onto that floor? Our feet had half an inch of sticky black, brown and yellow nicotine goo engrained into them, which took several scrubs to get rid of aesthetically, and several more days to get rid of smell-wise. Every time I think I want a smoke, I remember the crap on my feet and think how nice that would be on my lungs; it works.
West I dont agree with your views on littering but I DO NOT think ANYONE should publically attack you for your oppinion. They can invite you to rethink it, they can engage you to debate it but attacking you personally in my book is a sign of immature thinking.
With littering I think it's acceptable to ask someone to pick it up and put it in a bin, although i've never had the nerve. people can be very unpredictable in their response to that kind of thing.... My father in law does it though, since he's bigger than me, and my old friend shelagh used to tell kids "pick that up!".
You're right on that on e Self. There is not really a need to be insulting on a personal level.
But do you really think West drive down the road and throws garbage out when no one is looking. Or is that his opinion for THIS thread? I have seen the gentleman's opinion change by 180 in the same thread. One day he is drawn to the Catholic church then later the Catholic church is for sheep and Prodesant is for real people. It is becoming harder to tell when the man is being sincere. I find this a little frustrating as I would rather have an open and honest discussion then to taunted and goaded by a false opinion.
lol i find i have the same trouble. worse, I almost always assume someone IS being honest because it's so hard to understand why someone might wish to lie, so I fall for the trolls every time
I have ask children to pick up their litter in front of their parents.....teaching both a lesson. If the child wont or the parent and I thank Goddess aloud for being so beautiful for ALL to see. Again a lesson.
To be very honest and West can correct me if Im wrong.....Ive spent some time on messanger with him and I get the impression he's a sweet person that enjoys a good debate even if that means takeing the opposing side. There are things he's very adament about as we all are BUT we all can play devils advocate too. And outragous examples get a group going for sure. This of course is all my opinion.
LOL Quite
*laying down whizzie stick for a sec*
LMAO !!!!!!
Whoops. My bad. I'll try to emulate your fine example.
Better?
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
from Dictionary.com:
hyp·o·crite
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krɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hip-uh-krit] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1.a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs. 2.a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.
:lol:
LMAO !!!!!!
Whoops. My bad. I'll try to emulate your fine example.
Better?
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
from Dictionary.com:
hyp·o·crite
/ˈhɪp
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Westmanguy,
It’s actually true. I did attack you personally, and for that I am sorry. I did not uphold the very principals I advocate for: Debate the point, don’t attack the poster. I apologize for allowing my personal feelings to enter a post in which I addressed you. I realize it can be construed as unfair when a mod does this. I try hard to just keep my beak shut when I have a gut response like that, but littering is a huge pet peeve of mine. I see it as a poke in the eye to all the rest of us who share the planet with you. So I poked back. Poor form on my part.
Still wish you’d quit littering though.
*picking whizzie stick back up*
It’s actually true. I did attack you personally, and for that I am sorry. I did not uphold the very principals I advocate for: Debate the point, don’t attack the poster. I apologize for allowing my personal feelings to enter a post in which I addressed you. I realize it can be construed as unfair when a mod does this. I try hard to just keep my beak shut when I have a gut response like that, but littering is a huge pet peeve of mine. I see it as a poke in the eye to all the rest of us who share the planet with you. So I poked back. Poor form on my part.
Still wish you’d quit littering though.
*picking whizzie stick back up*
nope. ya didn't. Like other posters here though, I am able to select which posts and questions I will respond to and which ones I won't.
Since you asked however, I felt her post was hypocritical. I should have thought the purple font would have indicated such. If it wasn't evident to anyone else, no biggie. Why make it more than it is?
I just wondered why you thought it was hypocritical, and why you felt it necessary to tell us so. It seemed a bit mean to me.
I felt the post I quoted took the first swing. I usually turn away from posts that play little games by generalizing who they're poking at, yet are obviously taking a shot at me. I just didn't feel like it this time. That's why I laid down the whizzie stick. ;-)
OK i'm obviously in too deep. I have no idea what you're talking about. I can't see why you'd see that as a first swing or what a "whizzie stick" is either.
I've dropped it. sorry.
I've dropped it. sorry.
out of all your complaints I have installed a little waste basket thingy in my car, go it from Canadian Tire, where is fits in snug, and it can be lifted up with a snap of this button and taken to a garbage bin.
BUT, I will not recycle... ever. You persuaded me to change my literring practices, but its to much to ask for me to organize by garbage and go out of my way to drive it to the recycle depot.
And I thank selfactivated for sticking up for me.
85% of the time I am honest, 15% of the time I create drama (trollish), this time fell into my 85% block.
And I accept Zan's apology for attacking me personally.
And I don't want to get mixed up in office, sorry forum politics... I am not that deeply involved with the divides that I hear about, and like at work, I try to keep away from that... always leads to trouble.
BUT, I will not recycle... ever. You persuaded me to change my literring practices, but its to much to ask for me to organize by garbage and go out of my way to drive it to the recycle depot.
And I thank selfactivated for sticking up for me.
85% of the time I am honest, 15% of the time I create drama (trollish), this time fell into my 85% block.
And I accept Zan's apology for attacking me personally.
And I don't want to get mixed up in office, sorry forum politics... I am not that deeply involved with the divides that I hear about, and like at work, I try to keep away from that... always leads to trouble.
Good for you Westmanguy!
... and thank you.
... as for the recycling...
well we can work on that... :lol:
... and thank you.
... as for the recycling...
well we can work on that... :lol: