Canadian pipelines projects, including Keystone, facing more U.S. lawsuits

[petros]

Of course legally. That's what I'm talking about. More legal actions.

There aren't any. Read the NEB Act. No one in Canada has property rights.

 

[captain morgan]

Spot on!

 

[taxslave]

Of course legally. That's what I'm talking about. More legal actions.

Kinder Morgan already has a legal right to do exploratory work. Even in the park. Protesters can also be charged under the workers compensation act for deliberately putting workers health and safety at risk and for entering a legal work site.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Kinder Morgan already has a legal right to do exploratory work. Even in the park. Protesters can also be charged under the workers compensation act for deliberately putting workers health and safety at risk and for entering a legal work site.

And you really think that will stop us from suing?

That's so cute!

 

[taxslave]

And you really think that will stop us from suing?

That's so cute!

This isn't the US frivolous lawsuits are somewhat harder to initiate here. Also you would have to have a few bucks to get going and to pay the piper when you got nailed for the other party's costs.

 

[captain morgan]

And you really think that will stop us from suing?

That's so cute!

Sue all you like.. Once the Reg Authority gives approval, work can commence until you (the lobby) is able to get an injunction (or whatever they are called).

KM has a crap ton of cash and many lawyers on side that will make this a very expensive experience for all parties involved

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Sue all you like.. Once the Reg Authority gives approval, work can commence until you (the lobby) is able to get an injunction (or whatever they are called).

KM has a crap ton of cash and many lawyers on side that will make this a very expensive experience for all parties involved

Yep. Ain't it great?

 

[petros]

Sue all you like.. Once the Reg Authority gives approval, work can commence until you (the lobby) is able to get an injunction (or whatever they are called).

KM has a crap ton of cash and many lawyers on side that will make this a very expensive experience for all parties involved

There is no recourse. It's either negotiate a fair deal or have NEB slap you with the bare minimum as right of way is expropriated.

 

[peoplesadvocate]

Canadian pipelines projects, including Keystone, facing more U.S. lawsuits

WASHINGTON -- There are new threats of lawsuits against Canadian oil pipeline projects in the United States, suggesting that the election of an oil-friendly, Republican-dominated Congress won't end the industry's battles here.
The most famous of those projects is Keystone XL -- but it's not the only one.
A coalition of groups will also hold a news conference Wednesday to discuss a lawsuit in U.S. federal court against expansion plans for another network into the American Midwest, Enbridge Inc.'s Alberta Clipper.
Such legal threats offer a cautionary note in a symphony of speculation since last week's U.S. midterms that the results might be a boon for bitumen.
An activist who led the fight against Keystone XL remains hopeful President Barack Obama would veto any pipeline bill that reached his desk. Should he sign it, she said, there will be another date in court.
Jane Kleeb said the grounds for such a suit would be constitutional, and revolve around whether Congress actually has the right to approve infrastructure that crosses international boundaries.
She said it would be like the ongoing case before the Nebraska courts, in which her side has argued that the state government used an unconstitutional process to approve the route.
"You would see groups and landowners suing ... over the bill just like we did in Nebraska with the argument they took executive powers away from the president," said Kleeb, director of Bold Nebraska and early opponent of the Keystone project.
"Remember, the Nebraska case is not about is the pipeline good or bad, it is about who has constitutional authority over siting and eminent domain."
That authority does not belong to the U.S. Congress, says the lawyer fighting the pipeline in Nebraska.
Attorney Dave Domina expects a decision in the current state case within a couple of months. But he says a congressional power-play in Washington could be grounds for a fresh lawsuit.
"What is the effect of Congress passing a law that says to the president, 'You have to approve it'? I think that answer to that is, 'None,"' Domina said in an interview.
"I think that the president has constitutional authority to decide on border-crossing permits, and Congress doesn't really have any role in here except to try to be political with it.
"People need to understand that anything Congress tries to do here, to meddle with that presidential power, is political theatre... The Congress can't push it to the president, get the president to agree with political power, and think it's over. The people might say, 'Wait a minute. You've both violated the Constitution now."'
He said it makes no difference if the president signs the law. Cross-border pipelines must be approved by government's executive branch, following a proper review process, not the legislative branch, he noted.
The debate over congressional-versus-presidential power is as old as America itself.
The U.S. Constitution is generally vague on what the president does. It mentions a few aspects of foreign affairs that fall under his purview -- the ability to appoint ambassadors, run the Navy, and negotiate international treaties, all with some level of congressional oversight.
But court decisions over time have entrenched White House power over cross-border infrastructure. In fact, some of the jurisprudence specifically involves Canadian oil.
A South Dakota aboriginal tribe attempted to overturn an administration permit for the first Keystone pipeline and was rebuffed in a 2009 decision, which declared cross-border infrastructure decisions belong to the commander-in-chief.

In a 2010 case on the original Alberta Clipper -- Sierra Club vs. (then-Secretary of State Hillary) Clinton -- the court cited ample precedent for letting the administration make its own choices on cross-border infrastructure with, including a history of presidential permits and "congressional silence" in such cases.
The Sierra Club now plans to fight the expansion of the Alberta Clipper, and will hold a news conference Wednesday to discuss a suit filed in federal court in Minnesota.
A coalition of aboriginal and environmental groups are arguing that the State Department has to conduct a full review of the plan to nearly double the network's capacity, and was wrong to forgo such a review on the basis that the larger network will be based on existing infrastructure.
The State Department is in charge of reviewing cross-border pipelines, with the president having the final say, according to different executive orders including the most recent one issued in 2004 by George W. Bush.
The new, oil-friendly Congress appears set to try wresting that power away for Keystone.
After years of delay in the project, the Republicans have said they'll use their new law-making clout to push a bill to the president's desk. That strategy has the enthusiastic blessing from the leaders in both congressional chambers -- both of whom top the list of campaign-cash recipients from the oil industry.

Canadian pipelines projects, including Keystone, facing more U.S. lawsuits | CTV News

Dollars signs in their eyes along with god knows how much spent on lobbyists , Oil companies always win.

 

[Cliffy]

When the will of corporate greed trumps human will, human lives are worthless. And when human lives are worthless, they may surprise you. Nothing left to lose.... blood may flow. Yes, the oil cartel have their corporate enforcer thugs, the RCMP, but people are starting to wake up to the fact that they out number those thugs 1000 to 1. Rapers and pillagers may think they have the advantage now, but the time is coming soon when the people, having their backs to the wall, will take it no more.
So - phuque the oil and gas cartels and all those who support them. We already have the tech to do without those Aholes.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

When the will of corporate greed trumps human will, human lives are worthless.

Diesel is main supply of heating and electricity for aboriginals in the northern territories.

And when human lives are worthless, they may surprise you. Nothing left to lose.... blood may flow.

Yellowknife alone consumes five super b tankers of diesel per week.

Yes, the oil cartel have their corporate enforcer thugs, the RCMP, but people are starting to wake up to the fact that they out number those thugs 1000 to 1. Rapers and pillagers may think they have the advantage now, but the time is coming soon when the people, having their backs to the wall, will take it no more.

Diesel and gas fuel the vehicles that aboriginals use to hunt and fish in their native lands.

So - phuque the oil and gas cartels and all those who support them. We already have the tech to do without those Aholes.

You are an out of touch Nimby who should go north and live in community like Rae or Edzo or Fort Simpson. You and Neil Young could spark up a fatty and sing Southern Man while your stoned by the natives for cutting off their livelihood.

 

[petros]

Cliffy needs to spend a day in Regina where he'd beaten and left in ditch to die for being a poser.

 

[Locutus]

Pipeline Action ‏@PipelineAction

Why has @CouncilofCDNs never opposed foreign oil imported into Eastern Canada but now are paid to oppose #EnergyEast?

 

[petros]

It'd better to import heavy oil from one of the largest watersheds on the planet.

 

[MHz]

When Ontario and Quebec bring it back into Canada after traveling through the US it be be a US product that is being purchased, that is why a big line going east before going south is being opposed. Have Canada okay a line going east and see how fast they clear up all the opposition to it being on US soil.

Cliffy needs to spend a day in Regina where he'd beaten and left in ditch to die for being a poser.

In Winnerpeg it is left in a river for dead.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

There aren't any. Read the NEB Act. No one in Canada has property rights.

Nobody anyplace does. Quit whining.

 

[pgs]

When the will of corporate greed trumps human will, human lives are worthless. And when human lives are worthless, they may surprise you. Nothing left to lose.... blood may flow. Yes, the oil cartel have their corporate enforcer thugs, the RCMP, but people are starting to wake up to the fact that they out number those thugs 1000 to 1. Rapers and pillagers may think they have the advantage now, but the time is coming soon when the people, having their backs to the wall, will take it no more.
So - phuque the oil and gas cartels and all those who support them. We already have the tech to do without those Aholes.

So I would guess that no oil products went into the production of your computer .
When the mail carrier arrives with your welfare cheque do you send him away because he is propelling his mail truck with oil ?

 

[waldo]

So I would guess that no oil products went into the production of your computer .
When the mail carrier arrives with your welfare cheque do you send him away because he is propelling his mail truck with oil ?

the appropriate reference is for proponents to realize that fossil-fuels aren't going anywhere "soon". The most optimistic, legitimate, so-called, "40-to-50 year infrastructure change roadmaps", work toward a lessening of reliance on fossil-fuels with alternatives... of course, there will always be some degree/percentage of energy derived from fossil-fuels. Unfortunately, too much wasted discussion gets incorrectly focused on an "either or" scenario.

 

[DaSleeper]

So I would guess that no oil products went into the production of your computer .
When the mail carrier arrives with your welfare cheque do you send him away because he is propelling his mail truck with oil ?

It's the old...."Don't do as I do, but as I tell you to do" pontification.....
None of those global warming alarmists practice what they preach.....might I say hypocrites instead?