Canadian Idol Fans Watching American Idol

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Kris with Garth Brooks (it's Garth Brooks right?):

I believe it is, yup. Garth is one country singer I actually can listen to (another is Keith Urban) and I like his voice.

I watched the video for The Truth, but it did kind of bored me. And I always think Kris sounds strained when he sings that song. So, yeah, I don't think it does him any favors actually.

Then it's almost sure to be his next single!! It seems to be a requirement of Kris's singles (NB, LLWD) that they're hard to sing, especially live! Yaaaay!

YouTube - Kris Allen ~ Live Like We're Dying

The audience really screams for this one!! I don't dislike the kris/Cale acoustic version of this song but it's way better with the band (acoustic or non-acoustic). Imho!

I hear there was a huge crowd for this concert. Is that true? I wonder why no band?
I hope the band is going to be with him a lot this summer. They should be, they tweeted they'd be busy.

 

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I can't believe you can get put on moderation on MJ's blog for saying to a lot of Adam fans basically what I said earlier here. To wit. Someone talked about "our Adam" getting a sales boost due to mentoring, vis a vis the "other idols" who have appeared on the show (who are not "ours", apparently) and bigmouth me said he's not my Adam and not everyone on the blog is an Adam fan. Someone then came back and told me the OP was talking to "other Adam fans" and that I shouldn't consider the post addressed to me, but only to other fans. And non-fans like me should ignore it. I replied that posts are supposedly addressed to everybody. Otherwise (I didn't say this) it's a fan page, isn't it? So then another Adam fan came back at me and said she didn't realize I had become a moderator.

Ugh. Then MJ said she was deleting "fan warring" posts and I saw my posts (two, I think) were being moderated.

I guess I should have ignored this stuff, but the thing that's a huge peeve to me is the people who write as if they ignore the rest of us. Those people know damn well it's not a fan page. If I ever referred to "our Kris" and how he's doing vs. "the other idols" on that blog, I can just imagine the firestorm.

I know, I know. Not mature of me to respond to it. I know.

 

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I'm going out, and I have to say something though unfortunately this may not be the place anyone agrees with it. Nonetheless, plunging ahead:

Kris would do well to stay as far away from Adam as possible, and he shouldn't even make cute jokes about dogs wishing to be at Adam's concert instead of his. The reason is that Adam's fans are crazy, and they may bring Adam down, for all I know, but if they do, they may very well bring Kris down along with him. Or even instead of.

The fact is, people are going to associate Kris just as much as Adam with this craziness. The fan-warring will just become OTT for everyone, and no one will remember who started it, or who is responsible. All they'll know is that they're sick of it. Kris will end up looking just as stupid, even though his fans aren't crazy. I've seen this happen before.

I really think Kris needs to disassociate himself with all this stuff as soon as possible.

 

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“Katie Stevens: Ford shoot today!! Yayyyy I’m so excited for this week! Adam was incredible! I love you all!!”
“Casey James: It was great meeting Adam Lambert. He is really nice. It was awesome to talk with someone that has been in this situation. He had great advise as well. Thank you Adam.”
“Aaron Kelly: ford shoot today for the music video.

yesterday was alot of fun”
“Tim Urban: It was so cool meeting Adam Lambert! He’s such a great guy! He was a really cool mentor for this week!”

...this is what I meant a few days ago by Adam mentoring being the gift that keeps on giving. Adam makes friends with all the new Idols. They thank him on twitter. They keep on tweeting him. He goes to their concerts. They go to his concerts. It's a forever kind of publicity.

Oh, well. It is what it is.

Kris who?

 

[missaddicted]

Well, I think what you're saying is a bit unfair for the other Idols who appeared before. Aaron tweeted about meeting Archie, Didi had a lot of good words for Kris and his advice when she left, I'm pretty sure some of them refered to meeting Cook. They didn't ALL tweet about Adam and when Usher was their mentor, they also tweeted about him. Of course, they would tweet about Adam, that's what they did yesterday. It's a bit premature to say that they became best friends with Adam in the 5 minutes they probably spent with him. And, honestly, I have a lot of problems with Adam mentoring the Idols, but this isn't one. They'll need all the support they can get when they get out of the Idol bubble, and if Adam (or another Idol) can provide them that support, well, good for them. Carrie was a good friend for Cook when he won. Both Daughtry and Cook were good friends to Kris when he won, etc.

 

[SleepinIn]

I agree, I think all of them need everyone that they can find to put in their network, whether it's the new Idols or the old. There are enough of them now that they do sort of make up a giant network of people that can conceivably help themselves with contacts, you never know who will know someone that can help them out in the future.

Kris would do well to stay as far away from Adam as possible, and he shouldn't even make cute jokes about dogs wishing to be at Adam's concert instead of his.

The dog thing was just funny. If anyone thought that Kris was snipping at Adam they clearly have never ever read about Kris. Kris doesn't even snipe at Simon. And if they take offense -- well who needs humourless fans anyway? I don't know why you got deleted though. Unless it's just a preemptive thing..??

How cool is this? (a little odd to be honest, but awesomely cool)
YouTube - Kris Allen's Red Guitar by ASAP Hearthrobs - 4/11/2010

http://filmmagic.com/SearchResult.aspx?str=kris+allen&sfld=C

 

[SleepinIn]

Hey 400 pages.. ! Whoot. ccasion9:

 

[missaddicted]

Wow, 400 pages!!!

 

[missaddicted]

LOL. I'm watching the Red Guitar video. Like you said, awesome that they covered it... I'm not sure they sound good though. The harmonies make my ears bleed! From what country is it? Somewhere in Southeast Asia I assume.

It's weird to see Katy identified as Katherine O'Connell. I wonder why they didn't call her Katy Allen. It seems she's really using Kris's name as her name now.

 

[SleepinIn]

Yeah, I guess she wants to separate the two identies. Maybe so she knows she's getting a job on her own merits??? I wonder how they ended up at the tattoo parlour opening with Tommy Lee? Things that make you go hmm.

Keep an eye on this space tomorrow Sophie@103.7 Acoustic Lounge on USTREAM: Sophie's Lounge presents The Backstreet Boys performing LIVE. Sophie's Lounge shows you behind the scenes of live... They may stream Kris and Sara live.. they may not, but it's worth checking out.
This is the radio stations twitter.
RadioSophie (RadioSophie) on Twitter

 

[missaddicted]

That's a good point about Katy. I thought the use of O'Connell didn't come from her, and I wondered where it came from, but it makes more sense if it's her who chose to go by her maiden name. LOL about the tattoo parlor.

Thanks for the Radio Sophie stuff and thanks for the warning, LOL. Then, I won't be wondering why Kris is in San Diego tomorrow!

 

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And, honestly, I have a lot of problems with Adam mentoring the Idols, but this isn't one. They'll need all the support they can get when they get out of the Idol bubble, and if Adam (or another Idol) can provide them that support, well, good for them. Carrie was a good friend for Cook when he won. Both Daughtry and Cook were good friends to Kris when he won, etc.

Well, no offense but while you say you have a lot of problems with Adam mentoring the Idols, it sounds like you're saying what's great about it. So maybe you don't have as many problems with it as you think. But please tell me what problems you do have with it, because I'm curious. (I think that sounds snarky but I don't mean it that way!)

I guess my point was that Idol gave Adam an unfair opportunity by allowing him to be a mentor. They gave him that opportunity and they never gave it to any of the other people you mentioned. I'm sorry if you think I'm unfair. I think American Idol is unfair. If Adam won, I would not consider it unfair of them to ask him to mentor. I have a basic problem with them ignoring the winner and giving the runner up this big publicity opportunity. Sorry if you disagree but I'm never changing my mind about how I feel about that. Unless they give an equal opportunity to Kris. And since that seems unlikely, well, that's all I can say. I feel very strongly about this, just saying.

Anyhow, now that I laid it out there I'll shut up about it.

I'm basically in agreement with what you said, I feel the same way. But I guess I meant something different. I guess what I meant was that the mentoring is a publicity dream come true that keeps on giving because it puts Adam's name before the public a lot, even after he's done mentoring. Yes, there are isolated instances of people being taken under the wing of former Idols, but I tend to think of that as actual mentoring, by people who got together on their own. This is more of a publicity gig, as far as I'm concerned.

The dog thing was just funny. If anyone thought that Kris was snipping at Adam they clearly have never ever read about Kris. Kris doesn't even snipe at Simon. And if they take offense -- well who needs humourless fans anyway?

Yeah, I agree. My thing about Kris needing to get away from Adam was more broad than that, of course. He does need to get away from that whole association. It doesn't seem to do Adam any harm, and it may even do him a lot of good, but I don't think it does Kris any particular good. I'm not suggesting he drop a friend, but he needn't be associated with Adam publicly. If I were his publicity director I'd order him to stop talking about Adam all the time. Even if he's asked. It's hard to put into words what I mean. I just know it doesn't help him to be the person who seems to be being identified as the "winner who's a loser." There should be no comparisons in the media all the time, at this point. In my opinion, he's twice the musician and performer Adam will ever be, he's smarter, wittier, more musically sophisticated, more tasteful, and a better singer. But he has to blow his own horn.

 

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YouTube - AI commercial with Adam Lambert

 

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I wonder how they ended up at the tattoo parlour opening with Tommy Lee? Things that make you go hmm.

What tattoo parlor? Are you referring to those pictures you linked to? I don't see anything about that. (Looking...)

 

[missaddicted]

So maybe you don't have as many problems with it as you think. But please tell me what problems you do have with it, because I'm curious.

I'm pretty sure I've talked about them repeatedly, but I'll say them again. And in general, it has nothing to do with Kris.

1) Adam doesn't deserve a mentoring position since he barely has any experience himself. Yeah, I guess he has the experience of being on AI, but for me, it's not enough. I feel that AI should have found a more experienced mentor, especially since the contestants were also mentored by Miley this year, who doesn't equal experience to me.

2) Of course, I get that AI chose Adam over another Idol because, 1) they wanted to pimp their "international superstah", 2) they wanted to capitalize over his media exposure and try to bring some buzz to the show this year (which it absolutely lacks). All the talk about it on the forums and the fanwars shows me that they succeeded. Of course, it's not all positive, but I think in the end it won't matter, the buzz is still there. But, my main problem is that they once again give this huge opportunity for Adam that he doesn't necessarily deserve. He's been pimped enough.

What I have no problems with is Adam making contacts with the contestants. Whether it's with him, or with another Idol they met, it's great for them that they'll have someone to rely on once they get out of the Idol bubble.

I do think it's unfair they chose Adam to do this instead of Carrie/Kelly, etc. But, what I was refering to when I used the word unfair in my post is that I think it's unfair for the other Idols that the contestants met to say that Adam left them with a bigger impression. I'm sure they're happy to meet them all, because they do have the experience of the show and I don't necessarily think the contestants prefered Adam over Kris/Allison/Cook/Archie/Ruben and the others they met. I'm sure they all left an impression. I don't think that after Adam is done mentoring it will furthermore increase publicity for him. Or maybe I don't understand what you mean by that. Idols promote other Idols all the time, I don't think in that sense it will benefit Adam even more.

Honestly, I don't see Adam being asked on the show as a snub to Kris. I think they had their reasons to ask Adam that had nothing to do with Kris. I understand that someone could see it as a snub against Kris though. Of course, I'm wishing Kris had those kinds of opportunities, but I don't think TPTB are out to get him. Well, if they choose The Truth as his next single, maybe I will though, LOL. They never asked any other winner to be a mentor (even those who had huge amont of success), so I don't think they asked Adam because they didn't want to ask Kris.

 

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The only other thing I have to add as long as I'm spouting off is that Kris Allen is probably one of the easiest people to turn into a star that ever won American Idol. Not only did he win the show in spite of the show, he's really loved and appreciated by virtually every audience he plays to. He's liked by almost everyone he meets. He's willing to work hard and do whatever it takes. He's a good guy who's into charity, he's good looking, he's nice, he's ridiculously talented. He has a very popular hit single. So American Idol ignores him to push Adam Lambert? Who is at best a big gamble that may not pay off? That is just weird.

I guess where I'm coming from is: up till now, I never thought AI or 19 were going to start promoting Adam over Kris. I guess I see this as a sign they are. Maybe I'm becoming completely unhinged, but that's how I see it.

They never asked any other winner to be a mentor (even those who had huge amont of success), so I don't think they asked Adam because they didn't want to ask Kris.

See, here's the thing. (As Kara would say. Yeesh.) I don't care that they didn't ask other winners. I care that they didn't ask the guy who beat this guy. If they asked Archie to mentor, I wouldn't say, "Why didn't they ask Kelly Clarkson?" I'd say, "Why didn't they ask David Cook? He won, Archie didn't." It's just hard to think any other way about it. If they ask someone from a particular season it's natural to ask why they didn't ask the winner of that season. Not another season. It isn't "about" Kris, but it's not as if he's not in the equation. This is the American Idol TV show, and last year he won it.

What Adam is getting lately is inflated publicity. He does have an album that's selling better than Kris, but since it didn't sell 3 million, or even a million, yet, I don't think it's all that relevant. He has a single that's doing well, now, but that's nothing Kris hasn't got. Adam has had some trainwrecks, Kris hasn't. Kris has never stopped performing since he got off the AI tour. Adam has done one paying concert in the United States, as far as I know. In six months. And a few scattered performances elsewhere. Which I don't get.

If Adam showed any signs of being a blazing success, a huge superstar, if he even had the success that David Cook had last year at this time, and Kris did not, I would probably have to grudgingly concede that he may have earned this AI/mentor thing, or whatever else is probably going to be handed to him. But just because he's controversial and/or an unrepentant attention ***** is, to me, no reason to be rewarded. I don't get the idea that 19E has to "prove" he's a superstar. They're businessmen. If he's not a superstar, they move on. Maybe they give a shot to the other guy, who's working his ass off to be a great musician. And they may surprise me yet, and do that. But right now, they don't seem very bright.

 

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Wait.

400 Pages???!!!!

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Yaaayyyy!!!! Let's party!!!! The hell with all the rest of it!!!

Oh, and this is from MJ's blog...

So who IS the Idol alum who will be performing an Elvis tune on Wednesday’s results show? Idol producers haven’t spilled YET, but astute Idol fans are picking up on the clues, which are everywhere.
Those clues point to Season 7 Idol Brooke White and If I Can Dream castmate Justin Gaston joining forces to sing Elvis Presley’s “If I Can Dream” on Wednesday’s results show.
The evidence:
1. Justin tweets to Brooke, “Playing music with @realbrookewhite . Not the fake one. Party in the UK”
2. Brooke tweets back, “Playing music with @justinmgaston”
3. In episode 5 of If I Can Dream, a producer tells Justin that he’ll be performing in front of a “massive audience” within the next few weeks, per Simon Fuller, but he doesn’t have the details yet. (See video after the jump)
4. In the preview for the upcoming episode of If I Can Dream, Justin is sitting at a piano, with a suspiciously Brooke White-like blond, plunking out the notes to “If I Can Dream” (See video after the the jump).

 

[SleepinIn]

This is American Idol. No one ever said it was fair. I gave that dream up the year Taylor won. I wanted Chris to win, I thought he deserved to win, but when Taylor won I thought the show should have been behind Taylor and they just weren't. They really pushed Chris and all their previous embargos on other finishers (which really were unfair BTW) were suddenly dropped.

I've been happy with Kris building relationships with radio stations - they all seem to love him. Those petapolooza videos showed Kris looking really comfortable and confident onstage. When you think about it, Kris with all these radio shows has played in front of way more people at this point. I think it's a great strategy. I know you all are not enamoured with the Truth as single #2, but I think radio will love it. (I'd love AWM too).

And no need to convince me that Kris is amazing. Consider me convinced. 400 pages of convinced.

I don't know why they are pushing Adam so hard, maybe they invested a LOT of cash in pushing him and are just going to keep going until he is what they want him to be. What other Idol went on a world tour of promotion? No one.

Adam tweeted that he missed Muse and had to go to bed with a headache. That doesn't give me too much confidence that the S9 Idols rocked Elvis. LOL

Brooke and Justin -- It looks like Simon Fuller is pushing The Dream house to a wider audience. It's an interesting idea. There's actually a lot they can do with the house. When Justin and Alex played their little show in the studio they mentioned having other guests in to play.

 

[SleepinIn]

Okay Kris is in a good mood clearly, lol

Time of show you ask? 7 pm. How old you ask? 21 and up. Sorry kiddies.
32 minutes ago via Echofon
The show tomorrow night at hard rock hotel in San Diego is free. So bring yo mamma, yo daddy, yo mamma's daddy....

Sort of wish I was a little closer to San Diego... Isn't Chris Torres from San Diego?

 

[missaddicted]

I know you all are not enamoured with the Truth as single #2, but I think radio will love it.

*tries to forget that SleepinIn used "will" instead of "would"* Scary thought.

Adam tweeted that he missed Muse and had to go to bed with a headache. That doesn't give me too much confidence that the S9 Idols rocked Elvis. LOL

LOL. I can't say I have a lot of hope either...

Yeah, I think Chris is from the San Diego area... or close to there. You think Kris will perform with the band?