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missaddicted

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Right. But wait. Maybe Adam was the one with the 1 million fewer votes. I don't even think this is unlikely after seeing the GeoPredictions.

Oh, I know. It's just that a lot of people assumed that Adam was running away with the votes, but he isn't. And he was as good as usual last night, so he probably lost some votes, that maybe went to Kris.

I edited my last post, but I'll ask again since we'll already moved along: what's a ding dong?
 

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Do you guys get those mini-interviews with Simon and Randy on Fox News after the show? Do you get Fox News? (Probably not. Just as well. It sucks.) You probably see the show on CTV, right? So should I pay attention and see what they have to say and report back to you? It's just going to make me mad, you know.

Please, do report if you wish! I don't get Fox News, but I get a Fox station, Fox44, out of Burlington, Vermont. They probably have more viewers in Québec than in Vermont though!
 

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Definintion of a ding dong. (See the UK definition on the page. It's a big fight. So Simon meant it would be a real fight to the finish, I think. A good thing. In other words, the two guys are well matched.)

Simon's reaction on Fox. Usually I can quote this exactly because I leave the VCR running after the show ends, but I must have shut it off tonight. So, let's see if I can paraphrase it while it's still fresh in my mind. The reporter asks him, "You must be happy about this outcome. You must be." (?) Simon says, "Well, it's not what I predicted but I'm happy. I think Kris proved with his second song last night that he has what it takes and belongs in the finals and I'll tell you: I think I'm responsible for him being there. Tell you why. Right from the start I told him he needed to believe in himself, and have more confidence in himself, and I think he listened to that and applied it and that's why he's there tonight. I really do."

Yes, Simon. You really helped!!! LOL

(He also said at some point, I forgot: Kris is a great singer, or great performer, or something.)

Adam was not mentioned.
 

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LOL at Simon! And Adam wasn't mentionned, wow.

Oh, man, Bandzilla totally messed with the studio version of Heartless. I hate you Bandzilla. There's some cheesy piano going on and too many instruments!

Way to ruin my buzz, Bandzilla.

It's not totally ruined though, I've hoping/dreaming for this finale for weeks now, and now that we have it, I'm still shocked!

ETA: Thanks for the definition of a ding dong!
 

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ALL the songs from Kris' Brand New Shoes CD can be downloaded here. I was missing two of them, so I'm glad I have the whole thing now.

*Off to listen to the songs*
 

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SleepinIn: The whole CD -- great! I want to hear it.

missaddicted: I was afraid Bandzilla would mess up Heartless. Why have the band on that track? Everybody wanted the acoustic version. The band also wrecked She Works Hard For the Money. (Maybe wrecked is too strong a word. But who could prefer these band versions?) Hope people realize they can download the live performances too.
 

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Post-show interview, Simon called Kris's Heartless the best performance of the season.
 

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Thanks Missaddicted - must. listen.

Post-show interview, Simon called Kris's Heartless the best performance of the season.

He did?? Really? Are you sure it wasn't his twin? That's fantastic!!

I introduced someone at work to Kris's Idol performances (she hasn't watched and thought Adam had it in the bag by the press) and she thought his performances were pretty great. Of course she can't vote either. lol.
 

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Posts from February 22 and 26.

Hope you don't mind me quoting some of your 3-months ago observations, missaddicted. Kind of fun/interesting. You're in red, I'm in blue.


(Feb. 22)
About Adam: I also think he's a shoo-in for the top 12, but personally, I don't care about him. Unless he pulls something incredible out of his hat. By the way, the picture you posted is hilarious

For me, next week (well, this week) is all about Kris Allen. It might be our only shot to see him live, since I'm very unsure about his chances to make the top 12, but right now, I love what I've heard from him: the whole 10 seconds from his audition and Hollywood combined and especially [video clip of Over The Rainbow]. Also, his AI video with Jesse Langseth is very funny. Sorry, I can't resist a cute guy with a guitar and a sense of humor.

missaddicted. Nice post! I saw Kris Allen's video with Jesse. I liked them both. He seems like a really cool guy. I always like the more subtle performers. [...] Anyhow I tend to like singers who just get it done without a lot of vocal junk thrown in. [...]

I liked Kris's Over The Rainbow. I especially liked that he did the real, original lyrics (by Yip Harburg), more or less. I love that song. [...] So, way to go Kris. You don't stand a chance, do you, Kris? TPTB think you're toast, don't they, pretty boy? Prove them wrong! Adam Lambert must be stopped!

Just kidding. About Adam, I mean. I think.

(Feb. 26)

[...] when I got home, and started watching, I was glad I didn't miss anything -- especially when Kris made Top 12. Woooooo!!!! I almost jumped off the couch. Like you, I really had resigned myself to wild card. Wow, this guy is good. Did you happen to notice him in the group sing? He was kind of hemmed in by the "choreography" designed for non-dancers, but in the right setting, moves could definitely be busted by this dude, I have no doubt. Plus he's a hot guy who doesn't act like it. I like him.

Looking around, the reaction to Kris making the top 12 is pretty good. Some are pissed, but most are happily surprised. It's a better reaction than the one Michael Sarver got last week I think. Also, it's good that he still has room to improve and to "grow" as cliché as that sounds. He might end up being interesting underdog... or so I wish.

I think he wants it, and he's going to work hard. I also think the more he's seen, the more liked he's going to be.

I had to edit but we also liked Adam, of course (I especially liked him after he performed for Top 12), and now they're the 2. Yay.
 
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Heh! Thanks for posting that ross! I'm still giddy thinking about how Kris supposedly didn't stand a chance at the beginning and now he's in the final two! And I got my wish: he did end up as a really interesting underdog!

And I pretty much came around on Glambert I guess! I was thoroughly unimpressed after Hollywood week, but the guy is an undeniable talent and seems like a great guy. I truly enjoyed most of his performances.

These boys, I tell you. Adam repainted Kris' right thumb with his nail-polish last weekend and he removed his own nail-polish from his right thumb. I love how the nail-polish reflects their friendship, LOL!

I'm pretty much expecting Adam to win at this point, but I've been wrong before (see your post!). And I somewhat fear backlash against Kris if he manages to win. We'll see, but at least, being in the top two pretty much garantees him a record deal with 19Evil, so I'll be looking forward to his CD in the fall! And right now, I'll just enjoy Brand New Shoes. Love that CD!

I've read a lot of comments from people who say that they're just not going to vote next Tuesday, since they would be happy with either of them winning, or they're going to decide who to vote for according to the performances. I really think it's going to come down to the quality of their performances. Good luck to both!
 

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Saw the thumbnail story on Kris Allen Nation. Awesome.

Each guy gives the other guy something, image-wise, that helps them, I think. The fact that they're friends, I mean. That they approve of each other. Like: If you think Kris is hip, because he's cool and keeps it real, and Adam is too glitzy/Hollywood for you, it makes Adam seem hipper to know Kris. If you think Adam is hip because he's bold about who he is and how he looks, and you find Kris too small-town/traditonal, it makes Kris seem hipper to know Adam.

Adam peaked for me a while ago (not sure I was ever on his train, anyhow), but if he wins I'll be cool with it, since he seems like a good person and he's a very polished performer, and he needs the break. If Kris wins, well, I think you know how I'll feel.

I'm really happy Kris got where he is against the scenario of the show and because the fans loved him. The audience is always two or three steps ahead, anyhow. Up to a point TPTB can force stuff on people, but ultimately, no. It doesn't work.
(I haven't looked at the Knoll, I hardly ever do. Are they saying Kris's trajectory was all planned out? Ha! Not bloody likely.)

Good luck to both of them and I think it'll be a blast!
 

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Each guy gives the other guy something, image-wise, that helps them, I think. The fact that they're friends, I mean. That they approve of each other. Like: If you think Kris is hip, because he's cool and keeps it real, and Adam is too glitzy/Hollywood for you, it makes Adam seem hipper to know Kris. If you think Adam is hip because he's bold about who he is and how he looks, and you find Kris too small-town/traditonal, it makes Kris seem hipper to know Adam.

Well said. I hope TPTB don't interfere with that idea, trying to make them appear like mortal enemies. Last year for the final performance show, they put David and David in boxing costumes and went with the boxing analogy the whole night, it was really stupid. Also, Cook said that he thought the competion was over (before they performed), while Simon said that they wanted them to hate each other, which they didn't of course. Putting Adam and Kris against each other is not going to work either. I think the show should put the emphasis on their friendship and not work against it. As cliché and cheesy as it sounds, their friendship is a good representation of tolerance between two very different guys and it would be way more appealing to let that shine.

(I haven't looked at the Knoll, I hardly ever do. Are they saying Kris's trajectory was all planned out? Ha! Not bloody likely.)

Some are trying to make arguments for that, but it's not really working!

I guess Oliver Pigott is an Adam Lambert fan, this was his Facebook status yesterday: "Glad the wickedly talented Adam Lambert is performing for another week."
 

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Putting Adam and Kris against each other is not going to work either. I think the show should put the emphasis on their friendship and not work against it. As cliché and cheesy as it sounds, their friendship is a good representation of tolerance between two very different guys and it would be way more appealing to let that shine.

Amen to that. Simon is not smart enough to know a good thing even though it's clear to everyone else.

I have to stop reading the articles about the top 2, and the commentaries that follow the articles. Most of them talk about the various ways Kris "could" win, including a backlash, anti-Adam sentiment from Gokey fans, whatever. The argument is never made that he can win because people love his singing. Which I would guess is the actual, simple reason most people are going to vote for one guy or the other.

Some of Adam's fans can be obnoxious. One of the most common things I've read has been, "Of course there's no question who's the singer in the competition." It's always "unquestionable" that Adam is superior. One person on TWoP wrote that it's a fact that Adam is the best singer in the competition. It's no longer an opinion, it's a fact! Ha. And they say Gokey's fans are intolerant! Naturally, I don't hold Adam responsible for any of this.

But I have to say, one thing I wrote in my last post is a bunch of b.s., even though I talked myself into it and I meant it when I wrote it. And that's that I'd be cool with Adam winning. He probably will, which is why I tried talking myself into it, I guess, to soften the blow. But it didn't stick. I'm not saying he doesn't "deserve" it, or whatever, I don't know who deserves it. I just want Kris to go all the way and if he doesn't I probably will be very disappointed. No going to lie.

I re-watched the results show and re-watched Simon's reaction to Kris making the finals. It's bizarre. Take a look. It's like an angry guy trying to look happy. A few seconds later, Simon genuinely smiles, but it takes a while.
 
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But I have to say, one thing I wrote in my last post is a bunch of b.s., even though I talked myself into it and I meant it when I wrote it. And that's that I'd be cool with Adam winning. He probably will, which is why I tried talking myself into it, I guess, to soften the blow. But it didn't stick. I'm not saying he doesn't "deserve" it, or whatever, I don't know who deserves it. I just want Kris to go all the way and if he doesn't I probably will be very disappointed. No going to lie.

Yeah, I thought about that when I read your post this morning! I have to admit that right now, Kris is truly my favorite and yes, I would also be disappointed if he didn't win. But even when I was hoping for a Kradam finale a few weeks ago, I always pictured Adam winning (but that was before "Heartless", which has definitely become my favorite Kris performance). I guess I would still be OK with Adam winning. Last year, I would have been crushed if Archie had won, no way he deserved it more than Cook. You say you don't know who deserves it, but in my opinion, both are deserving. Also, if Adam wins, I would still marvel at the fact that the guy who was pretty much supposed to be cannon fodder made it to the top 2!

I re-watched the results show and re-watched Simon's reaction to Kris making the finals. It's bizarre. Take a look. It's like an angry guy trying to look happy. A few seconds later, Simon genuinely smiles, but it takes a while.

Simon sucks, so I'm not trying to figure out what he thinks. He pretty much took credit for Kris going to the finale, saying that he told Kris at the beginning to believe more in himself and that since he did that this week, he made it to the top 2. Whatever Simon.

I agree about some of Adam's fans. I've pretty much stopped reading his thread on TWoP. First, there are too many posts and second, some fans are really getting on my last nerve. I guess they feel threatened by Kris' presence in the top 2. It was easy to hate Gokey and to believe that he would never win against Adam, but Kris is more of a wild-card. He is able to be just as good as Adam and Adam's fans know this. Anyway, that's my take on it.

Some guests for the finale: Cyndi Lauper is supposed to duet with Allison, there are also rumors that Kris will duet with Keith Urban (blah), Santana is going to be there, as well as Jason Mraz. Yay for Jason! I guess I'm half hoping that Kris would duet with Mraz, but that's not the rumor right now.

ETA: Ryan was on Larry King tonight and he apparently said that Adam and Kris had to reprise a song for the finale and not sing a new one. Too bad. I know we'll get Simon Fuller's choice (new song but potentially dangerous) and the coronation song (coronary song as some have dubbed it), but I would've liked to see a new Kris song (and a new Adam song too).

Also, VFTW have chosen Kris to support for next week. Apparently, to stick it to TPTB for their over-pimping of Adam. I don't really care what they do anyway... it just means more votes for Kris in the end!
 
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Some guests for the finale: Cyndi Lauper is supposed to duet with Allison, there are also rumors that Kris will duet with Keith Urban (blah), Santana is going to be there, as well as Jason Mraz. Yay for Jason! I guess I'm half hoping that Kris would duet with Mraz, but that's not the rumor right now.

What is the rumor right now? I mean, that Mraz is dueting with someone else? (Who?)

Keith Urban? The human sleeping pill? With Kris? I hope it's only a rumor.

When Kris performs outside the box he's best. (Heartless, SWHFTM). Besides, he's a soul/r & b guy at heart (remember in his Jesse Langseth interview he said MJ and Boys II Men were his influences? Also J. Mraz and G. DeGraw "more recently")?
Kris with Boys II Men would be cool, with MJ, amazing. Personally I'd put him with somebody from the r & b side or even rap. Kris/Snoop Dogg duet? Awesome! Or, other end of the spectrum, Kris and Tony Bennett, also potentially amazing.

ETA: Ryan was on Larry King tonight and he apparently said that Adam and Kris had to reprise a song for the finale and not sing a new one. Too bad. I know we'll get Simon Fuller's choice (new song but potentially dangerous) and the coronation song (coronary song as some have dubbed it), but I would've liked to see a new Kris song (and a new Adam song too).

What? They can't choose their own song? They have to repeat something they already sang? Why? They never had to do that before, did they? And why must Simon Fuller choose a song? What the hell is the point? And then...a coronation song? By Kara, no doubt? This is murder. I don't think I can stand it.
 

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The heading for this article is how Jamie Fox chooses Adam for the win.. yet the article is all about how much Jamie likes Kris. Ha - go figure.

Jamie Foxx picks Adam to win ‘Idol’ - Access Hollywood - msnbc.com

(don't know why the link is all caa-caa)

I actually would be okay with either of them winning. I like Kris a little more for something I'd potentially buy, but I can't deny Adam's talent - and Mad World was so amazing. So I have to give it to both of them.

They both made it to the end of the show, one will get a contract right away the other will have to wait a bit. But for someone who is inspiring people to vote in the millions that contract is going to come, and fairly soon too. So I'm not going to be so worried about whoever comes second. No matter what happens there will be opportunities and I can't see either of them letting them slip their grasp now. They have the might of the Idol machine chugging away - I kinda wish some of the CI's had a tenth of the opportunities that machine brings them. Although maybe it's a double edged sword too sometimes.
 

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Okay, I'm watching the rerun of Larry King, right now, since you "warned" me, missaddicted. It just started. Justin Guarini, Elliott Yamin, Kimberly Caldwell, plus Sanjaya ("joining us shortly"), and Ryan (by phone. By phone? Damn).

Ohhh, I wish they would stop saying Danny's fans may vote for Kris. It just equates Kris with Danny (yuch).

mj will post this video, or so she says.

They all love Adam. He's amazing. He deserves the crown. All the talk is about Adam. Adam, Adam...

Will Adam have a career even if he loses?

Ryan: They both will.

Ryan: You got to remember, only a million votes separated them. (Yeah, and maybe Kris was the one with the million more votes.)

You can tell the former idols prefer Adam. Bastards.

Ryan is trying to bring it back to Kris.

Now Larry is asking about Kris. They have nothing especially good to say about him, really. He reminds Elliott of himself in the competition, even though he went out at third (?) ...but, Kris is still in the competition, so WTF are you saying?

Elliott Yamin is criticizing Kris for saying "Apologize" wrong, in the song. Eff you, Elliott.

These people are annoying me. I would have preferred an interview with just Ryan.

Sanjaya, of all people, has the most intelligent comments of all these former idols.

Going to listen to your link, SleepinIn.
 
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