Canadian Identity: un-American

[SirJosephPorter]

That wasn't what I was discussing, my point was that, in my opinion, feminists were opposed to pornography. Which is not the same thing, but that's a point tha is hard for some to grasp. In your merry way, you take that to mean wanting to restrict it, and you summarize all feminists based on the three or four female politicians that you've heard of.

But I digress.

The important point is, do they want to restrict pornography? In my opinion, they don’t. Whether they personally oppose it or not is a moot point. And we don’t know about that anyway.

If you read my posts, I have never said that Feminists approve of pornography, I have been saying all along that they are opposed to restricting pornography.

How a politician personally feels about an issue is not really important, the important thing is what public position he assumes. For instance, Mulroney never told us whether he is personally opposed to abortion or not, but he refused to outlaw or severely restrict abortion, and that was the important thing.

So when it comes to porn, we have no way of knowing how any Feminist personally feels about it (and you have no basis for your claim that they personally oppose pornography, it is just your opinion). But I stand by my assertion, that most of them are opposed to restricting pornography in any way.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

A friend of mine keeps asking me, 'what defines being Canadian?'

Any takers?

If anything defines being Canadian, it is our values, as solidified in the Charter. What defines us is tolerance, multiculturalism, secular nature of our society.

 

[Mowich]

Thank you SirJosephPorter.

Anyone else?

 

[JLM]

If anything defines being Canadian, it is our values, as solidified in the Charter. What defines us is tolerance, multiculturalism, secular nature of our society.

We were Canadians long before there was a "Charter"- that charter mainly protects third rate Canadians at expense to the honest, hard working, industrious Canadians.

 

[JLM]

Thank you SirJosephPorter.

Anyone else?

That is a very tough question. I don't think there are any traits that Canadians can claim sole ownership to. I think in the past generation or so largely due to television, we've become a little tainted by unfavourable traits, common among other societies. Originally we were pioneers, independent, honest and hard working and had enough pride to struggle beyond the point where it was useless rather than admit we were beaten or ask for help from others. YOu don't see too much of that today.

 

[Mowich]

That is a very tough question. I don't think there are any traits that Canadians can claim sole ownership to. I think in the past generation or so largely due to television, we've become a little tainted by unfavourable traits, common among other societies. Originally we were pioneers, independent, honest and hard working and had enough pride to struggle beyond the point where it was useless rather than admit we were beaten or ask for help from others. YOu don't see too much of that today.

It is a tough question. Too many times we define ourselves by saying what we are not.

Ah yes, the good old prairie spirit, I know it well having grown up on a farm in Sask. My great-uncle and grandfather were given land grants for serving their country bravely in WW2, they instilled in all their children and by default their grandkids, the need to be self-reliant, responsible, and always ready to help a neighbor in times of need. You are so right, we don't see enough of that in today's 'Me" society.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

We were Canadians long before there was a "Charter"- that charter mainly protects third rate Canadians at expense to the honest, hard working, industrious Canadians.

Sure we were Canadian before that, JLM. But the Charter succinctly describes what we stand for. Charter codified all the rights that we took fro granted until then. Charter also made a big difference. Before the Charter, a PM with a majority in the Parliament could take any of those rights away with a simple majority, now he cannot do that.

So in my opinion, the Charter codified what it means to be a Canadian.

 

[Spade]

What makes us Canadian is the myth that the summers make up for the seven or more months of winter!

 

[Mowich]

What makes us Canadian is the myth that the summers make up for the seven or more months of winter!

Well now that is something I hadn't considered. It is funny though that in the midst of the hottest day of summer, I remind myself to soak up every bit of the sun I can because winter is just around the corner. :lol:

 

[Spade]

Well now that is something I hadn't considered. It is funny though that in the midst of the hottest day of summer, I remind myself to soak up every bit of the sun I can because winter is just around the corner. :lol:

I always slap my knee when some blitherer on the one passably warm day in mid July asks "Hot enough for you?"

 

[Cliffy]

What makes us Canadian is the myth that the summers make up for the seven or more months of winter!

That is because you live in the frozen wasteland of Edmonton. Down here we only get 5 months of winter. Blltttzzz!!!!

BTW: in your new avatar, your cheeks look like they are getting secretarial spread.

 

[ironsides]

And when do you have to ask a politician about anything, ironsides? Hillary has been in politics for a long time now (so has Pelosi), do you think she would have kept quiet about it if she wanted to restrict pornography? Not a chance.

Also, if Feminists want to restrict porn (as you evidently seem to think; now Democrats are in power. Why aren’t Feminists pestering the Democratic Congress to restrict porn? The fact is Feminists do not want to restrict porn, to them it is the question of giving women more choices. They do not want to restrict a woman’s choice to become a porn star any more than they want to restrict her right to become a doctor.


And why should they be my heroes? I am simply pointing out the fact that Feminists by and large do not favour restricting pornography. If they did, Feminists would be a reliable constituency for the Republican Party, for the religious right.



Sure it would be anybody’s right to choose to be a hit person, provided he is willing to face the consequences (arrest, trial, conviction for murder etc.). And anyway, how is that relevant to the discussion here?




This is where we disagree. And as long as there is 1% chance? Who decides if there is a 1% chance? If I drive a car, there is a possibility that I may hit another car and hurt somebody. Does that mean that government can arbitrarily decide who can and cannot drive the car, that it can (for instance) decide that women are a risk group and therefore must be banned from driving the car?

Women or men do not have the right to hurt others. As long as an act is not done with the intention of hurting others it should be legal. If the unintended side effect is that somebody is hurt (e.g. car accident), then that man or woman should pay the price, the penalty, that doesn’t mean that the act itself can be made illegal.

Then we agree, you want to participate, watch porn. movies yes it is your right to do so, but be prepared for the consequences (sexually transmitted disease's something else the one who spread it should be held responsible for. this is another porn can hurt someone). In places that it is outlawed you will go to jail. It is also the majorities right to regulate what kind of jobs and entertainment are legal and not. The majority do not want a strip club in their neighborhood, that is why as sort of a compromise there put in industrial areas if at all. You do not have any inalienable right to do anything you want without consequences. (women, men, gays who or whatever you maybe)

I know you do not believe in majority rights, but as long as you have the right to breath and live a peaceful healthy situation, you have all the rights you need. What you do to make money is not a right, when you want to exceed the limits of the law.

 

[Mowich]

I always slap my knee when some blitherer on the one passably warm day in mid July asks "Hot enough for you?"

Now isn't that the truth. Funny how Canadians are so caught up with talking about the weather. No matter where you go in our country, sooner or later the topic turns to weather. It is as if we are all wanna be forecasters. Everyone has an opinion, and I include myself. :lol:

 

[JLM]

Now isn't that the truth. Funny how Canadians are so caught up with talking about the weather. No matter where you go in our country, sooner or later the topic turns to weather. It is as if we are all wanna be forecasters. Everyone has an opinion, and I include myself. :lol:

I guess that's the one condition that affects all of us, something we all have in common.

 

[TenPenny]

Then we agree, you want to participate, watch porn. movies yes it is your right to do so, but be prepared for the consequences (sexually transmitted disease's something else the one who spread it should be held responsible for. this is another porn can hurt someone).

I didn't know you could get STDs from watching porn.
Thanks for that health tip.

 

[Mowich]

I guess that's the one condition that affects all of us, something we all have in common.

It certainly seems to be a great way to start a discussion with someone new and can lead to other discoveries about each other.

Currently, here in Eagle Creek, we are sitting under a blanket of snow that fell late yesterday afternoon/evening. Our power was knocked out for over 2 hours, which was a surprisingly short period of time around here lately. Thank the Gods of Technology for battery-powered laptops. :lol:

 

[JLM]

It certainly seems to be a great way to start a discussion with someone new and can lead to other discoveries about each other.

Currently, here in Eagle Creek, we are sitting under a blanket of snow that fell late yesterday afternoon/evening. Our power was knocked out for over 2 hours, which was a surprisingly short period of time around here lately. Thank the Gods of Technology for battery-powered laptops. :lol:

It snowed down here in Vernon much of the day, but with the temp. hovering between 0 and +2 it didn't stick to much, supposed to warm right up in a couple of days, then I don't have too much excuse not to attend to outside chores that need attention. :lol::lol:

 

[Spade]

That is because you live in the frozen wasteland of Edmonton. Down here we only get 5 months of winter. Blltttzzz!!!!

BTW: in your new avatar, your cheeks look like they are getting secretarial spread.

I know, it's too much computer and too little exercise. Need to change my lifestyle. When I retire!

 

[AnnaG]

A friend of mine keeps asking me, 'what defines being Canadian?'

Any takers?

I posted what I think Canadians are back in post #72. Does that help?

 

[AnnaG]

If anything defines being Canadian, it is our values, as solidified in the Charter. What defines us is tolerance, multiculturalism, secular nature of our society.

lol Tolerance? Like Canadians locked away in Japanese internment camps, people like Robert Dziekansky being tasered to death because he got frustrated over not understanding English, hockey players butting into the H1N1 vaccine lines, ChRETIeN & Cronies scamming, tolerating Harpy's "governing", etc.? Yeah, we tolerate a lot of stuff. lol