Canadian gun rights.

[SirJosephPorter]

If one takes a look at gun crimes in the United States, it it fairly obvious that the reason is NOT the gun laws, but the highly tauted DIVERSITY.

So are you blaming the high crime in USA on non whites (blacks, Hispanics etc.). That is what you seem to be saying in code language, with your talk of diversity. Then why not come out and say it outright? You think that crime rate in USA is high because they have too many blacks and Hispanics.

There is no love lost between conservatives and blacks/Hispanics in USA, so such a claim is not outrageous, coming from a conservative. About what I would expect from a conservative.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

You going to include criminals and the RCMP in this? As long as criminals can have guns the rest of us need them as well.

You mean in handgun ban? Everybody would be included. Whether the police should carry it would be for the law enforcement to decide. They have handgun ban in many countries, including Britain and Australia, it works very well there.

 

[YukonJack]

SirJosephPorter, it is truly difficult to be patient with you.

Have you taken a look at the statistics about perpetrators and victims?

Have you bothered to compare the numbers to data collected by census?

Or are you just - as usual - putting words in the mouth of those who don't happen to be as sickeningly politically correct as you?

 

[gerryh]

Overbearing Gov't control. A trend to socialize industry. HRC's. Limiting rights, and so on.

If you don't know by now that Canada has become increasingly socialist, you're as woefully informed as many of those you rail against.

:roll:

So, you are saying that Canada, and it's citizens, are on the road to a communist or fascist state. That gun control is just one more step towards that goal.

Come on Bear, comments like that, along with the brown shirt comment is fear mongering plain and simple. If you or Bob are reduced to using the brown shirt or red menace card, it means you have no comprehensive argument to support your position.

 

[Colpy]

You mean in handgun ban? Everybody would be included. Whether the police should carry it would be for the law enforcement to decide. They have handgun ban in many countries, including Britain and Australia, it works very well there.

Please demonstate an immediate, significant and lasting fall in murder rates in both the UK and Australia immediately following the ban on handguns.

You can not, because those statistics do not exist, because it simply did not happen.

Therefore your claim that " it works very well there" is simply, and demonstrably, baloney.

 

[JLM]

You going to include criminals and the RCMP in this? As long as criminals can have guns the rest of us need them as well.

Truer words were never spoken Taxslave- some people have a hard time getting it through their thick skulls, that you don't restrict crime by handcuffing the law abiding citizens. I guess some people just have a knack of being deliberately obtuse, but I guess when your other skills are limited, that's what it comes down to.

 

[CDNBear]

So, you are saying that Canada, and it's citizens, are on the road to a communist or fascist state. That gun control is just one more step towards that goal.

Yes.

Come on Bear, comments like that, along with the brown shirt comment is fear mongering plain and simple.

And if I had made statements pertaining to American foreign policy leading to the events of 9/11, on 9/10. Would I be fear mongering?

If you or Bob are reduced to using the brown shirt or red menace card, it means you have no comprehensive argument to support your position.

Not necessarily. Reasoned discussion has been exhausted, you of all people should be aware of that.

Both sides are firmly entrenched. And even though I do not support unrestricted gun possession. I can see how some people here, express troubling attributes, not unlike those of socialist states.

 

[Colpy]

So, you are saying that Canada, and it's citizens, are on the road to a communist or fascist state. That gun control is just one more step towards that goal.

Come on Bear, comments like that, along with the brown shirt comment is fear mongering plain and simple. If you or Bob are reduced to using the brown shirt or red menace card, it means you have no comprehensive argument to support your position.

Statism is not necessarily either radically left or right wing....it is simply the desire to surrender all to the state, and have the state protect you.....and it does not work. World wide, most murdered people are killed by their own governments.

Political power comes out of the muzzle of a rifle. That is exactly why rifles belong in the hands of the people.....always.

 

[gerryh]

Yes.

Not necessarily. Reasoned discussion has been exhausted, you of all people should be aware of that.

Both sides are firmly entrenched. And even though I do not support unrestricted gun possession. I can see how some people here, express troubling attributes, not unlike those of socialist states.

exhausted, reasoned discussion is not an excuse to pull the red menace card. And there are "some people" that still believe Stalin had the right idea and Hitler was a saint.

Canada is not 1930's Germany, nor is it 1917 Russia.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

SirJosephPorter, it is truly difficult to be patient with you.

Have you taken a look at the statistics about perpetrators and victims?

Have you bothered to compare the numbers to data collected by census?

Or are you just - as usual - putting words in the mouth of those who don't happen to be as sickeningly politically correct as you?

When have you been patient with me, YJ? And again, why are you speaking in code words, like diversity? Why not say what is on your mind, that you think that USA has high crime rate because it has too many blacks and too many Hispanics?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Truer words were never spoken Taxslave- some people have a hard time getting it through their thick skulls, that you don't restrict crime by handcuffing the law abiding citizens. I guess some people just have a knack of being deliberately obtuse, but I guess when your other skills are limited, that's what it comes down to.

This is another issue where you hold a conservative position, JLM. This adds to a whole bunch of issues where you have expressed conservative views (minimum wage, death penalty, health care and so on). Do you still want to carry on with the charade that you are not a conservative?

 

[Colpy]

exhausted, reasoned discussion is not an excuse to pull the red menace card.alin had the right idea and Hitler was a saint.

Canada is not 1930's Germany, nor is it 1917 Russia.

And there are "some people" that still believe St

In 1900 Germany was not 1930s Germany......if you get my drift. In fact, Germany was one of the nations first to introduce social legislation.......a modern, well-educated nation....look it up.

Never trust government....it is suicidal.....

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Truer words were never spoken Taxslave- some people have a hard time getting it through their thick skulls, that you don't restrict crime by handcuffing the law abiding citizens. I guess some people just have a knack of being deliberately obtuse, but I guess when your other skills are limited, that's what it comes down to.

You restrict crime by sensible gun control. This has worked in every developed country. The one country where there is no gun control of any kind, USA also has the highest crime rate in the developed world. To me, that is enough of a correlation to support gun control.

 

[CDNBear]

You restrict crime by sensible gun control. This has worked in every developed country.

That is utter nonsense.

The UK for one, is proof of that.

 

[gerryh]

In 1900 Germany was not 1930s Germany......if you get my drift. In fact, Germany was one of the nations first to introduce social legislation.......a modern, well-educated nation....look it up.

Never trust government....it is suicidal.....

and the world now is not the world in 1900. We, as citizens, have far more access to information than at any time in History.

 

[CDNBear]

and the world now is not the world in 1900. We, as citizens, have far more access to information than at any time in History.

And yet we still have people like eao, mhz, darkbeaver and so on.

And groups like the HRC's, marketing boards...

So your point was?

 

[AnnaG]

Cool, same old stuff being hashed out that was in the last gun control thread.

So, I guess I'll reiterate my points, too, then:
1. Banning is a stupid idea because it won't work on crooks
2. The latest gun legislation (firearms registry) turned hard-working, honest, law-abiding ranchers, hunters, farmers into criminals
3. It didn't do anything it was supposed to do
4. Thoughtless, kneejerk legislation is nothing except harmful
5. It is profoundly expensive.

 

[gerryh]

And yet we still have people like eao, mhz, darkbeaver and so on.

And groups like the HRC's, marketing boards...

So your point was?

More access to information dissemination for the tinfoil hatters..... works both ways Bear.

The HRC's, marketing boards, are supported by the majority of Canadian citizens.

 

[CDNBear]

More access to information dissemination for the tinfoil hatters..... works both ways Bear.

True, however it seems to be a losing battle because...

The HRC's, marketing boards, are supported by the majority of Canadian citizens.

this is true.

 

[gerryh]

Cool, same old stuff being hashed out that was in the last gun control thread.

So, I guess I'll reiterate my points, too, then:
1. Banning is a stupid idea because it won't work on crooks
2. The latest gun legislation (firearms registry) turned hard-working, honest, law-abiding ranchers, hunters, farmers into criminals
3. It didn't do anything it was supposed to do
4. Thoughtless, kneejerk legislation is nothing except harmful
5. It is profoundly expensive.

well golly gee whiz....look at that.... 5 very good, comprehensive reasons for not having gun control and she didn't have to pull the red menace card or the brown shirt card. F*cking amazing I tell ya.