Canadian economy heading for recession

JLM

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Commodities like pork bellies and orange juice? Why is Saskatchewan doing so well against the odds?

If you are totally dependent on a meagre pension or one of the many nowadays who depend on food banks, I think the term 'recession' may have meaning. The rest will merely spend less or find another source of income. I know there are a few people who are obsessed with the subject of recession, but 99% of people wouldn't even know how to define it.
 

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Commodities like pork bellies and orange juice? Why is Saskatchewan doing so well against the odds?

It's under budget because of oil as well.

Wake up.

REGINA — The Saskatchewan government says it ended its 2014-15 fiscal year with a surplus of $62 million.

That's down $9 million from what it had projected in the budget.

Total revenue was $14.06 billion, down $14 million or 0.1 per cent from budget.

Total expense was $14 billion, down $5 million or 0.03 per cent from budget.

Oil revenue was $1.28 billion, down $285 million from budget projections, and potash revenue was $546 million, up $149 million compared to budget.


Saskatchewan ends 2014-15 year with $62M surplus; oil revenue down $285M
 

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It's under budget because of oil as well.

Wake up.

REGINA — The Saskatchewan government says it ended its 2014-15 fiscal year with a surplus of $62 million.

That's down $9 million from what it had projected in the budget.

Total revenue was $14.06 billion, down $14 million or 0.1 per cent from budget.

Total expense was $14 billion, down $5 million or 0.03 per cent from budget.

Oil revenue was $1.28 billion, down $285 million from budget projections, and potash revenue was $546 million, up $149 million compared to budget.


Saskatchewan ends 2014-15 year with $62M surplus; oil revenue down $285M
Well they still maintained a surplus . How is Ontario doing ?
 

mentalfloss

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Well they still maintained a surplus . How is Ontario doing ?

How do you think?

No one is forgiving their reliance on manufacturing.

It is just as egregious as relying on oil.

This only strengthens my point that for any given territory, there needs to be a diverse portfolio.
 

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How do you think?

No one is forgiving their reliance on manufacturing.

It is just as egregious as relying on oil.

This only strengthens my point that for any given territory, there needs to be a diverse portfolio.

Yes.... Sask should diversify their portfolio to include taking on massive debt that they can never repay whilst increasing taxes to scare-off industry and resource companies.

Excellent advice Flossy... You should call your strategy 'the Greek Plan'
 

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How do you think?

No one is forgiving their reliance on manufacturing.

It is just as egregious as relying on oil.

This only strengthens my point that for any given territory, there needs to be a diverse portfolio.
Where I live in ON the farmers are doing fine and the manufacturing is booming.
 

petros

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It's under budget because of oil as well.

Wake up.

REGINA — The Saskatchewan government says it ended its 2014-15 fiscal year with a surplus of $62 million.

That's down $9 million from what it had projected in the budget.

Total revenue was $14.06 billion, down $14 million or 0.1 per cent from budget.

Total expense was $14 billion, down $5 million or 0.03 per cent from budget.

Oil revenue was $1.28 billion, down $285 million from budget projections, and potash revenue was $546 million, up $149 million compared to budget.


Saskatchewan ends 2014-15 year with $62M surplus; oil revenue down $285M
Oil is 10% of our economy.
 

taxslave

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Shouldn't worry too much about what the "experts" say. They make a prediction and if it isn't reached the world is going to end. Maybe if they were a little better at predicting the future there would not be so much gloom&doom when it turns out they lied. Again.
 

petros

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Where I live in ON the farmers are doing fine and the manufacturing is booming.

We are't farmers any longer, we are producers. In 3 months Canadian exports take a nice big leap thanks these high tech rednecks.

Digital producers make the big bucks.
 

captain morgan

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Shouldn't worry too much about what the "experts" say. They make a prediction and if it isn't reached the world is going to end. Maybe if they were a little better at predicting the future there would not be so much gloom&doom when it turns out they lied. Again.

That's extremely generous of you to suggest that the failed predictions are a simple matter of 'accuracy'.... From where I stand, the optics are either that they are bumbling fools or that they are corrupt
 

taxslave

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That's extremely generous of you to suggest that the failed predictions are a simple matter of 'accuracy'.... From where I stand, the optics are either that they are bumbling fools or that they are corrupt

I'm being nice today. I always thought it funny when the bankster would ask for my revenue projections for the next year. I just gave him whatever number came into my head. Once I put a bunch of random numbers on a dart board and threw a dart. He never questioned them until the next year when I was either under or over. He never had a problem with the overs but unders seamed to cause great anxiety.
 

petros

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Just stomp your feet, plug your ears and keeping screaming "it was supposed to stay at the coldest point since the end of glaciation, it was supposed to stay at the coldest point since the end of glaciation, it was supposed to stay at the coldest point since the end of glaciation".
 

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Fossil fuel subsidies and economic performance that depends on oil prices.

Also figments of the imagination apparently.


Oil prices dive below $51 as Iran deal looms - Jul. 6, 2015
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Iran is nearing an historic nuclear deal with the West -- and that's scaring the oil markets.

Oil prices dropped below $51 a barrel on Tuesday for the first time since early April. The latest slide comes after negotiators once again extended a deadline to reach a nuclear deal and said "substantial progress" has been reached.

American drivers may have even lower prices to smile about in the future, especially if an Iran nuclear deal gets done. The national average gas price could return to nearly $2 a gallon later this year, said Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst at the Oil Price Information Service. The national average is currently sitting at $2.77.

For now all eyes are on Iran, which has the fourth biggest oil reserves in the world. A big part of the nuclear deal is that the West will lift sanctions on Iran, allowing it to increase its oil exports. That could be a game changer by deepening the oversupply of oil and sending prices down even further.

"You could have a bunch of crude hitting the market in 2016 -- probably when it needs it least," said Kloza.

Related: The latest on the Iran deal

Why oil is falling: That's one reason why oil is in free-fall mode, tumbling 11% this week alone. Prices were also hurt by more evidence that OPEC hasn't been able to kill off American shale oil production. Last week the number of active drilling rigs in the U.S. rose for the first time since early December.

Oil markets -- just like other financial markets -- are also being rattled by the Greek voters' decision to reject the European Union's latest bailout offer. While Greece is facing a scary economic future, the country only uses 0.3% of global oil anyway, according to Capital Economics.

Related: Big Oil getting cozy with Iran as talks near end

Iran deal nears: The Iran factor is more influential on oil prices than Greece. Iran has 158 billion barrels of oil reserves, but that oil has been largely blocked from the global markets due to sanctions against Iran.

Iran and the West reached a framework for a deal in April and then a June 30 deadline for a full agreement was extended to July 7. The State Department announced on Tuesday the deadline has been extended until July 10.

"We're frankly more concerned about the quality of the deal than we are about the clock," a State Department official told reporters.

Over the holiday weekend, a Russian official told the country's media that a deal is more than 90% ready and most of the remaining issues are more procedural than technical.

While there is "no guarantee" a deal will be inked, "all signs so far look promising," Thomas Pugh, commodities economist at Capital Economics, wrote in a note on Monday.

Related: OPEC refuses to cut oil production

Supply glut would worsen: Eventually, a deal could allow as much as 1 million barrels per day of Iranian crude oil to return to global oil markets.

Due to continued oversupply, oil prices could soon dip back into the high-$40 range, Kloza said.

"There is probably no worse time for Iran to be re-entering global markets with a significant boost in exports than now," Edward Morse, global head of commodities research at Citigroup, wrote in a recent research report.

That presents a Catch-22 for Iran, whose economy could really use the influx in oil revenue. If it pumps oil too quickly, that could hurt the price of oil Iran wants to stay elevated.

That's why Brenda Shaffer, a professor at Georgetown University, said she wouldn't be "surprised if the Iranians get up to a little mischief that will help bump up oil prices."

In the past Iran has been accused of sponsoring terror attacks in nearby countries, including rival Saudi Arabia.

Related: End of OPEC closer to reality

Regardless, there is much skepticism about just how quickly Iran can truly ramp up production. A lot of Iran's oil production originates in very old wells that are in need of repair.

"Even if a deal was reached, they won't be able to produce all of that oil right away. It's not like turning on your faucet," said Rob Thummel, a portfolio manager at Tortoise Capital.

Related: Greek crisis is nothing compared to China

CNNMoney (New York) July 7, 2015: 11:00 AM ET

Oil prices dive below $51 as Iran deal looms - Jul. 6, 2015