Canadian Catholic Church

[Dexter Sinister]

It's young boys which seem to be the predominant victims. But then, that's just what hits the news...

Again, point taken. I'm so thoroughly and deeply heterosexual I have no hope of ever really understanding any other orientation beyond the very simplest intellectual level, though I have no issues with things like same sex marriage. I draw a very firm line between things that affect me and thus are my business, and things that don't and thus aren't.

Well, at least I try to. I don't always succeed, but wothehell, I'm not perfect. I do the best I can, same as most of us do. Or at least I'm still optimistic enough to think so even after almost 58 years on this planet. But I can still imagine that many men might have minor hidden homosexual tendencies that would never be expressed if they were sexually content in the ways our society approves of as normal, but repress them and you're asking for trouble.

But I think paedophilia is fundamentally different from such things. I think it's probably as deeply ingrained as heterosexuality and homosexuality are, and those who fall victim to it as aggressors can no more help themselves than I can prevent myself from being powerfully attracted to my dear wife. That doesn't justify or excuse the behaviour, it simply means it's an aberration, not a choice.

 

[vinod1975]

what others have to say on this

 

[karrie]

Again, point taken. I'm so thoroughly and deeply heterosexual I have no hope of ever really understanding any other orientation beyond the very simplest intellectual level, though I have no issues with things like same sex marriage. I draw a very firm line between things that affect me and thus are my business, and things that don't and thus aren't.

Well, at least I try to. I don't always succeed, but wothehell, I'm not perfect. I do the best I can, same as most of us do. Or at least I'm still optimistic enough to think so even after almost 58 years on this planet. But I can still imagine that many men might have minor hidden homosexual tendencies that would never be expressed if they were sexually content in the ways our society approves of as normal, but repress them and you're asking for trouble.

But I think paedophilia is fundamentally different from such things. I think it's probably as deeply ingrained as heterosexuality and homosexuality are, and those who fall victim to it as aggressors can no more help themselves than I can prevent myself from being powerfully attracted to my dear wife. That doesn't justify or excuse the behaviour, it simply means it's an aberration, not a choice.

I believe much as you do, that this behavior is born into you, or it isn't. Thus my earlier confusion as to why so many seem to think that celibacy could 'cause' it. I think the fact that it's such a permanent part of a person's psyche is why it is so critical that these sorts of coverups not occur. No matter how much a person apologizes and says it will never happen again, without serious intervention, it is going to. One could even argue that WITH intervention, it still will most likely occur.

 

[vinod1975]

Agreed

I am with y all

 

[selfactivated]

Making excuses for child abusers doesnt save the childre n, it perpetuates the problem. Just ask a child thats been abused. Their lives are ruined.

 

[Tonington]

I don't think it's always something you're born into. Environment plays a big role in how we socialize and what we come to know as normal social interactions. Young children who are molested as young kids can grow up with their first sexual experience being a result of paedophilia and that can make them in turn more likely to have homosexual tendancies as a result of the perpetrator being same sex. However, I do think that nature also has a large hand in the mix, I think in most cases it's just attraction, how our bodies respond to certain stimuli, with cases of learned behaviour being the minority in this case.

I've looked at a whole lot of studies on this kinda stuff, theres lots of shyte out there to sift through, organizations like NAMBLA or FRC with an axe to grind.

 

[vinod1975]

Agreed , excuses does not help , so the suggestions and the stong actions should be taken to take care of the same , with ASAP formula and actions should be publically. So starts from me to take care or when ever you see or come to know about this kind of action you should be the first person to take action against the same.

 

[selfactivated]

Heres a thought......my last one.........and then you can go back to the land of denial and closing your eyes....

Heres the facts. At least 2% of your priests are child molestors probably more. Your diacies have hiden that fact for many years. The Vatican also is aware of the facts and have done nothing to stop the crimes except sweep it under the rug and move said perpatraters around to widen their offences. Knowing all that the Catholic parishoners tythe their ten percent to known crimanals and pretend its not happening. Allowing more children to be molested and on and on it goes. Just the facts.

 

[sanctus]

Hmm, I'd think an affair with a woman would be more likely to stay quiet than the abuse of a child. But, you may be right. How sad to think.

You're actually correct. There are far more cases of priests with female adults then priests abusing children. It is a much larger problem within the Church then that of child abuse. It is also one in which the media is not interested in because it does not sell newspapers or create an aura of sensationalism.

 

[selfactivated]

You're actually correct. There are far more cases of priests with female adults then priests abusing children. It is a much larger problem within the Church then that of child abuse. It is also one in which the media is not interested in because it does not sell newspapers or create an aura of sensationalism.

I was mistaken, I do have something else to say........What goes on between to adults isnt newsworthy, a good screw between consenting adults isnt a crime. Screwing children is and all involved should be jailed........even if its the pope

 

[sanctus]

Heres a thought......my last one.........and then you can go back to the land of denial and closing your eyes....

Heres the facts. At least 2% of your priests are child molestors probably more. Your diacies have hiden that fact for many years. The Vatican also is aware of the facts and have done nothing to stop the crimes except sweep it under the rug and move said perpatraters around to widen their offences. Knowing all that the Catholic parishoners tythe their ten percent to known crimanals and pretend its not happening. Allowing more children to be molested and on and on it goes. Just the facts.

Not the facts, your opinion, one which is not terribly accurate. The Church has taken great strides to deal firmly with this issue amongst its clergy. Even in the past, the majority of diocese's dealt with the situation in much the same way the rest of society at the time did, by trying to keep its evil members from public scrutiny and dealing with them internally. This was pretty much the prevelant attitude for ALL of society in these cases at the time. This is not excusing the Church, but putting it into the context of the society it existed in at the time. Few people even 40 years ago came forward to report sexual abuse of children, or wives for that matter. Much was kept hidden behind closed doors, as was the custom for organizations and individuals.

 

[sanctus]

I was mistaken, I do have something else to say........What goes on between to adults isnt newsworthy, a good screw between consenting adults isnt a crime. Screwing children is and all involved should be jailed........even if its the pope

It's newsworthy for an organization that, for the most part, denies its clergy the possibility of a "good screw", or a "bad screw" for that matter.

 

[selfactivated]

Not the facts, your opinion, one which is not terribly accurate. The Church has taken great strides to deal firmly with this issue amongst its clergy. Even in the past, the majority of diocese's dealt with the situation in much the same way the rest of society at the time did, by trying to keep its evil members from public scrutiny and dealing with them internally. This was pretty much the prevelant attitude for ALL of society in these cases at the time. This is not excusing the Church, but putting it into the context of the society it existed in at the time. Few people even 40 years ago came forward to report sexual abuse of children, or wives for that matter. Much was kept hidden behind closed doors, as was the custom for organizations and individuals.

I given proof after proof its your perogative to deny it. Be my guest priest. I mean if it was my job somebody was trying to discredit I would fight tooth and nail too. The only thing I fight for is justice and there is none in your church. Just damnation.

 

[selfactivated]

It's newsworthy for an organization that, for the most part, denies its clergy the possibility of a "good screw", or a "bad screw" for that matter.

I say they need a healthy woman to screw then theyll stay away from the children.

 

[sanctus]

I given proof after proof its your perogative to deny it. Be my guest priest. I mean if it was my job somebody was trying to discredit I would fight tooth and nail too. The only thing I fight for is justice and there is none in your church. Just damnation.

Frankly, you're so blinded in self-righteous hatred you cannot discern the truth, only the propaganda that supports your skewed view on reality. But of course, you would certainly know more about what goes in the Church then I would(heavy sarcasm intended)

 

[sanctus]

I say they need a healthy woman to screw then theyll stay away from the children.

Nonsense. The issue is not celibacy. And the vast majority of the clergy do not "screw" children.

 

[selfactivated]

Frankly, you're so blinded in self-righteous hatred you cannot discern the truth, only the propaganda that supports your skewed view on reality. But of course, you would certainly know more about what goes in the Church then I would(heavy sarcasm intended)

Seems to me every time you get fustrated with me you start judging me or is that a priestly trait? I can gaurentee you my experience with your church is very personal and i know a great deal first hand. I speak truth the truth of experience. No sarcasm.

 

[selfactivated]

Nonsense. The issue is not celibacy. And the vast majority of the clergy do not "screw" children.

2% and more do is that an ACCEPTABLE rate for you?

 

[sanctus]

2% and more do is that an ACCEPTABLE rate for you?

Please indicate to me in any post I've ever submitted where I condone the sexual abuse of children by ANYBODY.

 

[selfactivated]

Look, you have to admit this IS a problem and it IS ignored...........now why isnt something done? It tucked under the rug while children are hurt. I could not back a church that thinks its ok to allow such behavior to go on behind closed doors.