Canadian Catholic Church

[karrie]

I don't know if they can really screen them before anything happens. If they don't have a criminal record, there is really no way to know beforehand. I do think they have a responsibility to act properly the second one of them is found to be abusing a child. I know as a nurse, I am required by law to report any suspected child abuse to the police and I don't see why the church should be treated any differently. I don't see why any adult should be treated differently. As much as we blame the church, none of these incidents could have ever been covered up had the child's parents been unwilling to go along with it. That is a far greater betrayal in my opinion and we tend to forget about it in our rush to bash the church.

Priests submit to at least one psychological screening, if not more, in order to be allowed into the vocation. My father in law is training to become a deacon, and even he has had to be screened. He has seen men from his classes go through the screening only to be turned away for a variety of reasons. It's cmforting to know that there are steps being taken to help protect children from the abuse of authority.

And you're 100% right about parents having a say in whether or not an abuse gets covered up. But, at the same time, I think the church USED to hold a lot of authority over its participants. Most people I know now, view the church as 'theirs', employess rather than bosses. The same attitude of having to listen and obey without question what the church tells you is no longer there. This makes it completely unexcusable for a parent now to help cover up a molestation, but, it makes it a bit more udnerstanding why families in the past would have kept quiet about the issue. It was a clear abuse of power not only over the children, but the families as well in many cases.

 

[mapleleafgirl]

I've always found it interesting how so many people have the view that people who choose to be within the church must be happy with any and all aspects of it. Throughout history the church has changed so dramatically to suit it's congregations, to address issues, that it is practically unrecognizable from what it was centuries ago. I'll never understand why people think heading off to a different church is the answer. They're still human, still flawed by their very nature. Why would you expect that no one is willing to stick around and push for the changes they want, rather than leave? Frankly, you simply can't change any aspect of the church from the outside, becuase like you say, you just don't truly know what's going on. You get what the press tells you, what conspiracy sites have to say, what skewed religious intolerants have to spout on the issue, but it doesn't tell one much about what an actual congregation of people talks about, what they feel.

hey karrie. this was a good post that has really made me think. youre totally right. i noticed the people, even here, always complaing about the catholic church arent in the church itself, so to speak. i have been seeking a path for a year or so and all these types of things are so cool. i already asked sanctus how to join the catholic church and i think i want to do it. from what ive studied so far, the only thing that seems to make the most sense to me is the catholic church.
i mean, on another thread the born-again guys are quoting bible stuff all over the place and most of what they write is so wacked and sanctus keeps saying the church is the proper interpreter of the bible so people dont get blown away by weird ideas, and that makes so much sense to me.

i guess i should ask if youll pray for me but i feel kinda silly asking. is it okay to do this? is this alright with the catholic curch to pray for people that arent really members yet?

 

[karrie]

i guess i should ask if youll pray for me but i feel kinda silly asking. is it okay to do this? is this alright with the catholic curch to pray for people that arent really members yet?

No matter who you're talking to, and when, it's always okay to ask that they pray for you, send you positive energy, however their spirituality words it, to help you find the right path in life. And that's exactly what I'll do. If the Catholic church rings true to you, then by all means, jump on in. I love when people research their religion, because you tend to learn more about other faiths that way. They all have their good points, and they all have their draw backs.

 

[sanctus]

So how would I know? Take your word for it? Some guy on the internet that says hes a priest? Sorry Ive been up that road and Im not that gullible any more. It dont matter who I am Ive sited reputable sites for my facts. One child is to many.

Whether I am a gravedigger, a priest or a labourer is not relevant. What is relevant are the statistics. You have had a personal trauma, granted, but it has coloured your perceptions in such a way as to make your viewpoint skewed and biased against the Church. That is unfortunate. I assure you, however, that carrying this hatred inside is not damaging to the Church, but to you!

And the facts are the facts are the facts, regardless of what you personally believe or from information you've gathered from the internet.

 

[sanctus]

bible stuff all over the place and most of what they write is so wacked and sanctus keeps saying the church is the proper interpreter of the bible so people dont get blown away by weird ideas, and that makes so much sense to me.

i guess i should ask if youll pray for me but i feel kinda silly asking. is it okay to do this? is this alright with the catholic curch to pray for people that arent really members yet?

If you are sincere, I caution you to pray for god's guidance in this matter. do not base your opinions on what you read on this forum. If you feel God is calling you into Holy Mother Church, then contact your local pariish and talk to the priest. He'll guide your steps. Keep in mind you might have to involve your mother, since you are underage

 

[selfactivated]

Whether I am a gravedigger, a priest or a labourer is not relevant. What is relevant are the statistics. You have had a personal trauma, granted, but it has coloured your perceptions in such a way as to make your viewpoint skewed and biased against the Church. That is unfortunate. I assure you, however, that carrying this hatred inside is not damaging to the Church, but to you!

And the facts are the facts are the facts, regardless of what you personally believe or from information you've gathered from the internet.

Im to tired to play sanctus.........why dont you read sparrows post and get a heart

 

[sanctus]

Im to tired to play sanctus.........why dont you read sparrows post and get a heart

Read her post. Have a heart. How old are you anyway? How long ago did this happen? It is time you learn to let it go. Carrying it around only hurts you.

 

[Sparrow]

Read her post. Have a heart. How old are you anyway? How long ago did this happen? It is time you learn to let it go. Carrying it around only hurts you.

Where have you been these past years??? Maybe you should check into the spiritual damage incurred by a child when this is done to them by their spiritual guide. They never as you say get over it, they live with it until they die. How would you like to be saddled with that, maybe you would like someone to validate your feelings and understand what you were going through. This didn't happen to a man it happened to a child. At this time in life it was imprinted on his brain and psychic with indelible ink and cannot be erased... It is thinking like this that allows pedophiles to remain hidden because people believe that the victim will forget, I got news for you THEY NEVER FORGET. Read some victim's histories and you will see that they never have a normal life after this has happened. Before commenting as you did above maybe you should walk a mile in their shoes. I admit carrying it around hurts them but even after many years of councilling most of they cannot let it go! Compassion and understanding should be the order of the day.

 

[vinod1975]

We had enough of this now need some actions not only statements....:laughing7:

 

[Sparrow]

Action has to be taken by the parents. First they have to teach their children that as parents they will not judge them, because often children feel ashamed and that it is their fault. Second parents must believe that their children may be telling the truth and act accordingly, they may doubt their children but must never let them know until they have proof that it did not happen.

Vinod1975 was would be the action that you would take?

 

[vinod1975]

( No Need to point out any name ) I have allrteady started , have visited the site and donated some money to the parrents and advising all the childerns not talk to strangers and dont allow unkown person to visit your home.


google for Nithari Kand

 

[Sparrow]

( No Need to point out any name ) I have allrteady started , have visited the site and donated some money to the parrents and advising all the childerns not talk to strangers and dont allow unkown person to visit your home.


google for Nithari Kand

First of all the incidents of child molestation are higher among people they know rather than strangers. Telling your children not to talk to strangers opens the door to family members and family friends who have been proven to be dangerous. What you must teach your child is to say NO and teach them what to do to defend themselves and how to get away from them. You must also let them know what is and what is not appropriate touching, that they have a right to say NO and that them must tell someone immediately if it happens to them.

 

[selfactivated]

Action has to be taken by the parents. First they have to teach their children that as parents they will not judge them, because often children feel ashamed and that it is their fault. Second parents must believe that their children may be telling the truth and act accordingly, they may doubt their children but must never let them know until they have proof that it did not happen.

Vinod1975 was would be the action that you would take?

THIS is my action. Ive stated from the first post this is NOT just a Canadian problem or American Problem its a WORLD WIDE Problem. I want the Vatican to fix it......yes fix it. I dont know how, I just want it fixed. These children/ adults deserve better they deserve to be recognised. They deserve to hear the catholic church that they trusted say: "We screwed up, we're so sorry and help us to help you heal" Is that so hard?

 

[selfactivated]

Where have you been these past years??? Maybe you should check into the spiritual damage incurred by a child when this is done to them by their spiritual guide. They never as you say get over it, they live with it until they die. How would you like to be saddled with that, maybe you would like someone to validate your feelings and understand what you were going through. This didn't happen to a man it happened to a child. At this time in life it was imprinted on his brain and psychic with indelible ink and cannot be erased... It is thinking like this that allows pedophiles to remain hidden because people believe that the victim will forget, I got news for you THEY NEVER FORGET. Read some victim's histories and you will see that they never have a normal life after this has happened. Before commenting as you did above maybe you should walk a mile in their shoes. I admit carrying it around hurts them but even after many years of councilling most of they cannot let it go! Compassion and understanding should be the order of the day.

You make me have hope. You hear not just my words but my heart and that gives me hope.

This has everything to do with trust. Priests are the closest to God. We are told that in the youngest of CCD. Priests are the only ones allowed to talk directly to Jesus and only Jesus talks to God (I dont believe this tripe anymore) So as a child whatever a priest does its being done by God himself. Whatever a priest says is being said by god himself. A boy is being molested by a priest thinks he is being touched by god. He knows its wrong but how could it be wrong? A priest is doing it so god must want it done. Trust. That child trusted god, trusted the priest, trusted the church.

All sorts of children trusted the church for protection and were denied.

 

[selfactivated]

Sparrow this is a show on line that you can watch if you wish. its 90 mins and its about an altar boy in Salem Mass, I knew this priest, the one that hid it all. Its an American diecies so it may not intrest others. But the story speaks for those who couldnt tell and for those that still hide.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/handofgod/view/

 

[Sparrow]

Sparrow this is a show on line that you can watch if you wish. its 90 mins and its about an altar boy in Salem Mass, I knew this priest, the one that hid it all. Its an American diecies so it may not intrest others. But the story speaks for those who couldnt tell and for those that still hide.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/handofgod/view/

Thanks for the info, it interests me a lot and no this is not just am American problem, there are plenty of cases here in Canada. I personally believe that everyone should be interested in doing something about this and only if we ban together will the Vatican acknowledge their responsibility. You bet the Church should admit they screwed up but they will not because they say the Church does not make mistakes. Well I have BIG NEWS for the Church you have made more than your share of mistakes and BIG ONES, now is the time to face them.

Sorry but I am ranting a g a i n!

 

[selfactivated]

Thanks for the info, it interests me a lot and no this is not just am American problem, there are plenty of cases here in Canada. I personally believe that everyone should be interested in doing something about this and only if we ban together will the Vatican acknowledge their responsibility. You bet the Church should admit they screwed up but they will not because they say the Church does not make mistakes. Well I have BIG NEWS for the Church you have made more than your share of mistakes and BIG ONES, now is the time to face them.

Sorry but I am ranting a g a i n!

Rant on!!! The only way to heal is to not be afraid of the truth. If the "church" forgives sins then they should look at their own sins and confess those sins looking for forgiveness from the small children they dismiss.

 

[vinod1975]

SELF is correct.... anyways i repaet only actions can do nothing else...