Canada’s Military current state & equipment

[Ron in Regina]

But of course, the penalty of reducing the purchase considering we've already committed to it will cost us likely millions but hey, the Libs love cancelling shit that costs us a fortune. Par for the course!!

Millions on the 27 Billion price tag that doesn’t include the 5.5 Billion that recently cropped up…on the 50% increase from the estimate, etc…?

This might be something we need to think about hard. I have no idea about this down payment either, but it sounds like we’re being taken out behind the woodshed already.

 

[petros]

Good news. The GDP has tanked so much we'll be meeting the NATO 2% of GDP buy-in early next year.

 

[Twin_Moose]

More help yet NATO announced that they are considering money and equipment sent to Ukraine will count toward NATO financial commitments

 

[Ron in Regina]

Millions on the 27 Billion price tag that doesn’t include the 5.5 Billion that recently cropped up…on the 50% increase from the estimate, etc…?

This might be something we need to think about hard. I have no idea about this down payment either, but it sounds like we’re being taken out behind the woodshed already.

Even the Americans are second guessing the F-35 orders it seems….

 

[bob the dog]

More help yet NATO announced that they are considering money and equipment sent to Ukraine will count toward NATO financial commitments

Unfortunate that Canada has neither money or equipment to send. Of course we borrow the money to cover both.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Unfortunate that Canada has neither money or equipment to send. Of course we borrow the money to cover both.

First, re banned firearms in/from Canada to the Ukraine, I don’t even pretend to know what I’m talking about here beyond generalizations, but if Canada does not now and has not for decades had legal assault weapons…regardless of some firearms being black in colour, making them look scarier than others…I’m sure this is a blessing for Ukraine.

A random bunch of civilian firearms in a gazillion or even a Brazilian calibres, all pinned to a maximum of five rounds? Just what somebody wants to take into battle with them. Oh well, it sounded good at the time as a selling feature for Trudeau, etc…

Second, the 2% Nato GDP target. The move to two per cent represents an increase of $9.3 billion and would bring Canada’s defence spending to $62.7 billion. But is it enough? Canada’s military was already woefully underfunded in 2024, with only 67 per cent of its force combat ready.

On top of this, the Canadian Armed Forces has a recruitment and retention problem that Liberal DEI initiatives, including mandatory tampons in male soldiers’ washrooms, hasn’t seemed to resolve.

If Carney is correct that, “We are heading towards a more dangerous and divided world,” meeting our decades-old two per cent NATO target hardly seems sufficient given the sorry state of our Armed Forces.

Canada’s military a 'welfare case' despite pledge to meet 2% NATO target — National Post

In discussion with the Post's Terry Newman, Anthony Koch argues Canada is a "massive laggard when it comes to international defense in NATO"

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Creative accounting? Say it isn’t so…

 

[Taxslave2]

It is not so much the lack of money in the military, as how much of it is wasted. DND is little more than a home for liberal voters. Their main criteria is everything must be in both official languages. Then comes all the DEI hosespucky. Functionality is way down the list. Can't just buy equipment off the shelf, make work projects in OntariOWE and Quebec are all part of the criteria.

 

[Ron in Regina]

It is not so much the lack of money in the military, as how much of it is wasted. DND is little more than a home for liberal voters. Their main criteria is everything must be in both official languages. Then comes all the DEI hosespucky. Functionality is way down the list. Can't just buy equipment off the shelf, make work projects in OntariOWE and Quebec are all part of the criteria.

Joly is say’n the graft will be spread around this time, so there’s that.


Windfall? MONTREAL — Industry Minister Mélanie Joly says the massive funding announced this week for Canada’s defence industry will filter down to all regions of the country, as the federal government looks to jump-start domestic and overseas trade and reduce reliance on the United States.

At a speech to Montreal’s chamber of commerce Wednesday, Joly said the provinces are not in competition for the $9.3 billion in additional spending to be allocated by March 31, but rather in co-operation.

The minister says the “windfall” (???) will benefit companies beyond the military realm, trickling through the supply chain and across sectors ranging from aerospace and manufacturing to critical minerals and artificial intelligence, etc…

All regions will get ‘fair share’ of defence windfall: industry minister

MONTREAL — Industry Minister Mélanie Joly says the massive funding announced this week for Canada’s defence industry will filter down to all regions of the country, as the federal government looks to jump-start domestic and overseas trade and reduce re...

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[Taxslave2]

Spread around Quebec anyway.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Spread around Quebec anyway.

Well, first the current government will have to define what Quebec’s “share” means, & then apparently this “windfall” (???) will then trickle out into every corner and every segment, a chicken in every pot in a Volkswagen in every garage, etc…& if there’s anything left over, maybe they’ll put that towards the military.

 

[petros]

Joly is say’n the graft will be spread around this time, so there’s that.
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Windfall? MONTREAL — Industry Minister Mélanie Joly says the massive funding announced this week for Canada’s defence industry will filter down to all regions of the country, as the federal government looks to jump-start domestic and overseas trade and reduce reliance on the United States.

At a speech to Montreal’s chamber of commerce Wednesday, Joly said the provinces are not in competition for the $9.3 billion in additional spending to be allocated by March 31, but rather in co-operation.

The minister says the “windfall” (???) will benefit companies beyond the military realm, trickling through the supply chain and across sectors ranging from aerospace and manufacturing to critical minerals and artificial intelligence, etc…

All regions will get ‘fair share’ of defence windfall: industry minister

MONTREAL — Industry Minister Mélanie Joly says the massive funding announced this week for Canada’s defence industry will filter down to all regions of the country, as the federal government looks to jump-start domestic and overseas trade and reduce re...

www.cjme.com

Spread around Quebec anyway.

Well, first the current government will have to define what Quebec’s “share” means, & then apparently this “windfall” (???) will then trickle out into every corner and every segment, a chicken in every pot in a Volkswagen in every garage, etc…& if there’s anything left over, maybe they’ll put that towards the military.

Don't worry, Sask isn't left out. It's also a hefty chunk of the NATO spending Carney is bragging aboot.

CFB Moose Jaw to see most significant modernization in 30 years

'This announcement is great news for 15 Wing and for the entire Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF). Nothing is more important than our people, and having motivated, supported, and well-trained personnel is crucial for RCAF operational success'

www.moosejawtoday.com

 

[bob the dog]

Would not bother me if they retired the Snowbirds along with the Musical Ride of the RCMP. That money is not well spent imo.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Unfortunate that Canada has neither money or equipment to send. Of course we borrow the money to cover both.

We have sent a lot of equipment to Ukraine, I do agree with you about the borrowed money

 

[Dixie Cup]

More help yet NATO announced that they are considering money and equipment sent to Ukraine will count toward NATO financial commitments

"NATO's primary purpose is to ensure the collective defense and security of its member countries through political and military means, promoting peace and stability in the Euro-Atlantic area."

By helping the Ukraine, they are going against what their mission is aren't they? This is getting really bad!!

 

[Dixie Cup]

Unfortunate that Canada has neither money or equipment to send. Of course we borrow the money to cover both.

sure

 

[petros]

Would not bother me if they retired the Snowbirds along with the Musical Ride of the RCMP. That money is not well spent imimo.

Both of those make money.

Depot, RCMP Museum, Musical Ride and Sunset Ceremony are big tourist draws.

 

[bob the dog]

Both of those make money.

Depot, RCMP Museum, Musical Ride and Sunset Ceremony are big tourist draws.

Hard to believe there would be a return with the capital invested in those programs although do agree people come out when they are around.

The Musical Ride stopped in Dryden a few years back and it must have been the Ag Society that coughed up as paid attendance was 1000 at best. Kids admitted free iirc. Plenty of practice between shows with both them and the Snowbirds as well.

Government of Canada owning a fine stable of world class horses given the state of the economy and borrowing money to do so seems like a low priority on the scale of things with all else that is going on. I've seen the horses listed on the government surplus website and they are nice horses that no doubt cost a bundle to maintain.

 

[Twin_Moose]

"NATO's primary purpose is to ensure the collective defense and security of its member countries through political and military means, promoting peace and stability in the Euro-Atlantic area."

By helping the Ukraine, they are going against what their mission is aren't they? This is getting really bad!!

Not exactly against their mandate it is more in the UN wheelhouse, which we all know is useless. The US, Britain, France etc. used NATO to help cover for their personal defense agreement for Ukraine that was signed in 1992

 

[Ron in Regina]

NATO leaders — including Canada — have approved a plan to dramatically increase defence spending across the Western alliance to five per cent of gross domestic product over the next decade, a decision that has given U.S. President Donald Trump a significant policy victory.

Canada promises to spend 5% of GDP on defence by 2035 in pact with NATO leaders — CBC News

NATO leaders have approved a plan to dramatically increase defence spending across the Western alliance to five per cent of gross domestic product over the next decade, a decision that has given U.S. President Donald Trump a significant policy victory.

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Carney said the move to five per cent of gross domestic product — 3.5 per cent for core military spending and 1.5 per cent for defence-related infrastructure — will take place over the next 10 years, but will be reviewed in 2029 to ensure those targets still align with the threats Canada is facing.

That is a compromise for allies — including Canada — who are finding such a big increase hard to swallow.

Carney revealed on Monday during an interview with CNN that meeting the new defence spending goal of five per cent of GDP would cost the federal treasury $150 billion per year.

That translates into roughly $107 billion in direct military spending, with the rest earmarked for defence infrastructure, such as ports, bases and airfields.

When asked what sacrifices Canadians will have to make to meet this funding commitment, Carney said there will be trade-offs — but he noted certain sacrifices are already being made.

 

[spaminator]

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NATO leaders — including Canada — have approved a plan to dramatically increase defence spending across the Western alliance to five per cent of gross domestic product over the next decade, a decision that has given U.S. President Donald Trump a significant policy victory.

Canada promises to spend 5% of GDP on defence by 2035 in pact with NATO leaders — CBC News

NATO leaders have approved a plan to dramatically increase defence spending across the Western alliance to five per cent of gross domestic product over the next decade, a decision that has given U.S. President Donald Trump a significant policy victory.

apple.news

Carney said the move to five per cent of gross domestic product — 3.5 per cent for core military spending and 1.5 per cent for defence-related infrastructure — will take place over the next 10 years, but will be reviewed in 2029 to ensure those targets still align with the threats Canada is facing.

That is a compromise for allies — including Canada — who are finding such a big increase hard to swallow.

Carney revealed on Monday during an interview with CNN that meeting the new defence spending goal of five per cent of GDP would cost the federal treasury $150 billion per year.

That translates into roughly $107 billion in direct military spending, with the rest earmarked for defence infrastructure, such as ports, bases and airfields.

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When asked what sacrifices Canadians will have to make to meet this funding commitment, Carney said there will be trade-offs — but he noted certain sacrifices are already being made.

i smell a defence tax coming.