Canada’s Military current state & equipment

Ron in Regina

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At least one nation is regretting its purchase of F-35s. Denmark has been embroiled in a dispute with the Trump administration over the president’s push to own Greenland. The small European country even deployed those jets to the Arctic island over the threats.
The petulance displayed by the U.S. ambassador to Canada is exactly what you might expect from Pete Hoekstra if he had just been informed that Canada intends to spend half the money earmarked for new F-35 fighter jets on the rival Swedish Gripen.
U.S. President Donald Trump’s envoy to Ottawa is warning of consequences to the continental defence pact if Canada does not move forward with the purchase of 88 F-35 fighter jets.
Regardless, all the signs point to Ottawa buying fewer F-35s than it said it would.
Rasmus Jarlov, head of the Danish parliament's defence committee, has described "second thoughts" over the order, but says the country has little choice now that it is their only operational fighter aircraft.
Sources have told National Post that half of the jet-fighter fleet Canada ends up buying (by value) could be Swedish. David McGuinty, the minister of defence, told the Post on Tuesday, “No decision has been reached.”

But reading Carney’s speech in Davos, it is hard to see how the government could come to any other conclusion than to diversify its suppliers.
Carney ordered a review of the fighter jet purchase last March, to find out if buying the fifth-generation F-35s was really the best investment for Canada. Ottawa is already committed to purchasing at least 16 jets and is in the process of building the infrastructure to accommodate them. Cancelling the F-35 deal is not a feasible option. The first planes are due to be delivered this year, with the first eight going to Luke Air Force base in Arizona for pilot training.

But building a mixed fleet, as the Germans have done, is a realistic option (the German air force has around 138 Eurofighter Typhoons and has ordered 35 F-35s).
Jarlov has a message for Canada: "choose another fighter jet. They're in for repairs about half the time or even more," he said, "so the Americans have all the power of actually destroying our air force just by shutting down [parts] supplies."
The most likely scenario seems to be that Canada will buy around 40 F-35s and complement them with up to 80 Saab Gripens, which would be made in Quebec.

The Gripens could be sole-sourced, using a national security clause, on the basis that the fighter came second to the F-35 in the most recent competition.

People who know their jets advised me the F-35 is a plane that will still be combat viable in 30 years and will likely prove be the springboard to autonomous systems.

But what use is superior capability if its use is dependent on an ally that has proven unreliable?
It is crazy , but the CBC pushes and the sheep eat it up . Elbows up Canada . Hoorah .
There have been concerns — denied by the manufacturer — that there is a “kill” switch that could disable the jet. But even if untrue, the F-35 relies on software upgrades that could be denied.
If the Carney government were to order the Swedish-built Gripen fighter jet, as it is considering, the ambassador says the arrangement with NORAD would still have to be rethought.
The U.S. remains a key ally of Canada. But for the first time in a century, the Canadian Forces are reportedly preparing military models to respond to a hypothetical American invasion. However unlikely that scenario is, the fact that it is no longer unthinkable suggests it is time to find new friends.
 

Ron in Regina

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For the past 10 months Prime Minister Mark Carney has been carefully treading a fine line on the ongoing review of Canada’s purchase of U.S.-built F-35 fighter jets.

Carney ordered a review of the F-35 purchase in mid-March in the wake of threats against Canadian sovereignty by U.S. President Donald Trump. At this point, the federal government is only committed to buy 16 F-35s — Carney will be making the final decision on whether to proceed with the additional purchase of another 72 of the stealth fighters.
The petulance displayed by the U.S. ambassador to Canada is exactly what you might expect from Pete Hoekstra if he had just been informed that Canada intends to spend half the money earmarked for new F-35 fighter jets on the rival Swedish Gripen.
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The prime minister has to contend with a number of factors in weighing his decision, including that the Royal Canadian Air Force has argued the F-35 is superior to the Saab Gripen, the other aircraft being considered as a result of Trump’s threats.
People who know their jets advised me the F-35 is a plane that will still be combat viable in 30 years and will likely prove be the springboard to autonomous systems.

But what use is superior capability if its use is dependent on an ally that has proven unreliable?
Pete Hoekstra, the U.S. ambassador to Canada, jumped into the mix. Over the course of several months, Hoekstra has launched into a series of insults against Canadians. Typical was a Jan. 15, 2026, interview with a Montreal radio station in which the ambassador stated the United States didn’t need Canada for anything.
There have been concerns — denied by the manufacturer — that there is a “kill” switch that could disable the jet. But even if untrue, the F-35 relies on software upgrades that could be denied.
Then in a Jan. 26 interview on CBC, Hoekstra warned Canadians they could face dire consequences if the Carney government didn’t buy the F-35. He stated that the joint U.S.-Canadian NORAD agreement would have to be changed, suggesting that Gripens wouldn’t be as “interchangeable, interoperable” with U.S.-operated F-35s.

Hoekstra also warned that the U.S. would start flying its F-35s into Canadian airspace to deal with any perceived threats…because respect for Canadian national sovereignty?
Wasn't the Gripen the runner up on the last F-35 procurement review?
Its what I hoped Canad wluld have bought in the first place. They can fly in the rain and arctic unlike the F35 garbage.
Anyway…now it seems U.S. President Donald Trump wants to sell toy airplanes to Canada. Talking about military aircraft in the Oval Office, Trump said, “certain allies, we’ll be selling them perhaps toned-down versions, toned down about 10 per cent, which probably makes sense because someday maybe they’re not our allies, right?” Dialed back versions of the F35?
A friend is a Hornet handler at CFB Cold Lake. Pilots and ground crews are currently doing F35 training in Texas and will still finish the program.

I gave her a call to get her version of "toned down". She says it'll most likely be the AI software not any hardware. Able to track fewer targets or coordinate as many drones.
Canada has already paid for but not received 16 of the Lockheed Martin fighters…& will we receive what we’ve already paid for? So “given the geopolitical environment, given the fact that there are options . . . (and) given the possibility of having substantial production of alternative aircraft in Canada.” Etc…
 

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Carney ordered a review of the fighter jet purchase last March, to find out if buying the fifth-generation F-35s was really the best investment for Canada. Ottawa is already committed to purchasing at least 16 jets and is in the process of building the infrastructure to accommodate them. Cancelling the F-35 deal is not a feasible option
How many reports are there going to be? At the current rate, they will be obsolete before we pay for them. The CF18s are getting to be like the Voodoos before them.