Canada the Model for the USA?

Bar Sinister

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Interesting article. I don't necessarily agree with all of it, but the columnist Earl Fry believes that the many problems besetting the United States could be solved if the United States would follow Canada's example. He points out that in the early 1990s it was Canada that was the country in trouble and the US was the nation on a roll. Canada was able to solve many of its problems by the end of the decade and is now ahead of the US in many categories. The solutions that pushed Canada ahead are available to the US if American legislators would get their act together. Of course, that is the problem. Given the tendency for the US government to do absolutely nothing what do you want to bet that columnists will be writing similar articles for the next several years?

Solutions to U.S. woes can be found north of the 49th parallel
 

dumpthemonarchy

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The USA is having a crisis akin to a march of folly, they are stuck due to political interests. Obama ended one useless war in Iraq, and it will take another few years to end another useless war in Afghanistan-can't end tow wars in one term as he would never get reelected.

The USA has a huge military-industrial complex that is out of control. It is the corporate agenda gone wild, private gain at public expense. Can't easily stop this raging beast.

Then there's Wall Street, no easy fix here either. The USA is hooped for years. Time for Canada to get non-USA export markets.
 

Trotz

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The USA is having a crisis akin to a march of folly, they are stuck due to political interests. Obama ended one useless war in Iraq, and it will take another few years to end another useless war in Afghanistan-can't end tow wars in one term as he would never get reelected.

The USA has a huge military-industrial complex that is out of control. It is the corporate agenda gone wild, private gain at public expense. Can't easily stop this raging beast.

Then there's Wall Street, no easy fix here either. The USA is hooped for years. Time for Canada to get non-USA export markets.

Harper has made some great initiatives to secure us a free market and trading rights to the E.U. Even though the E.U. is in a pickle at the moment, with austerity and the EURO crisis, it is still nevertheless a continent that has proven time and time again that it is capable from rebuilding from ruin and rubble.

If SHTF in the United States, just because of all the guns and conflicting segments in society, I don't expect anything less but a Yugoslav-styled Civil War in America (with the rates things are going. It'ld be a matter of time until the Regional Elites, i.e., state governors, stop paying attention to Washington. Most of the Democrats and Republicans are gun-ho lunatics who'ld probably send in the army to arrest the state leaders and they'll probably respond, especially in states like Texas, by calling up the national guard)
 

The Old Medic

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Another topic for the US bashers to have a field day with. Yawn! Oh well, it is a harmless exercise for the citizens of a country that means absolutely nothing in the International scheme of things.
 

Avro

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Another topic for the US bashers to have a field day with. Yawn! Oh well, it is a harmless exercise for the citizens of a country that means absolutely nothing in the International scheme of things.

What a compelling argument.

Did you think of that all by yourself?
 

eh1eh

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Another topic for the US bashers to have a field day with. Yawn! Oh well, it is a harmless exercise for the citizens of a country that means absolutely nothing in the International scheme of things.

LOL. Yes. Canada. A country that supplies the US of A with 38% of its oil. Means nothing in the international scheme of things because the rest of the world isn't really concerned who controls the US of A's oil supply. Just sayin'. Yeehaw!.
 

Unforgiven

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Another topic for the US bashers to have a field day with. Yawn! Oh well, it is a harmless exercise for the citizens of a country that means absolutely nothing in the International scheme of things.

Just remember that this country is the only one to kick American ass all the way to Florida and burn down your White House. No one else, not Russia, China no on has ever done that since. Now that the history lesson has ended, I will add that Canada is one of America's largest and important trading partners. Looks like you should really read up a little on Canada. It's the one touching Alaska. :toothy7:
 

darkbeaver

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What is "the international scheme of things" I wonder? Before they finally collapse they will consume 100 per cent of oil produced in Canada and that will be at gunpoint. Imperial collapse makes very bad neighbours, especially if those neighbours got stuff to eat and burn.
 

Icarus27k

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Washington's gross debt ... is greater as a percentage of GDP than in 1944 when the U.S. was engaged in the Second World War.


I don't think that's true. At the end of 3Q of 2010, the gross debt of the US was 94% of GDP. As you can see from the line graph below, in 1944, the gross debt-to-GDP was pretty close to 100%.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/US_Federal_Debt_as_Percent_of_GDP_by_President.png



In any event, the "gross" debt isn't as serious as the article makes it sound because that figure includes intergovernmental holdings (debt that one part of the US government has with another part of the US government). The more meaningful figure excludes the intergovernmental holdings, aka the debt held by the public, which was 63.1% of GDP at the end of 3Q 2010.
 

Tonington

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Another topic for the US bashers to have a field day with. Yawn! Oh well, it is a harmless exercise for the citizens of a country that means absolutely nothing in the International scheme of things.

That's a pretty pathetic knee jerk...you think that your country is special? Your problems too? Well, there's plenty of countries with problems, and sometimes smart people work out smart and effective ways to deal with problems. Solutions that can transcend borders...

I routinely criticize Canadians who immediately compare our healthcare to the US version of healthcare, when there are hundreds of countries, with varying policies and mixes of public-private involvement. It's asinine to be so focused on one alternative. It's equally asinine in the reverse direction.

So, maybe instead of responding like an arrogant prick, you might take the time to think about the topics raised.
 

ironsides

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LOL. Yes. Canada. A country that supplies the US of A with 38% of its oil. Means nothing in the international scheme of things because the rest of the world isn't really concerned who controls the US of A's oil supply. Just sayin'. Yeehaw!.

Corporate America owns them, I'll let you figure that out.
 

damngrumpy

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The problem is by the time our southern neighbours collapse we won't have
anything left to burn either. Soon it won't matter I guess in the scheme of
things because America won't be able to afford to buy anyway. That too is a
problem, as we sell so much stuff to America as it is.
The problem we face is that if America goes, much of the world goes with it.
Canada despite solving many problems, will not escape if the international
markets collapse. The last thing I want to see is America collapse, it will mean
hard times for all of our children, and a depression would last for more than a
generation. The United States must learn a hard lesson, that also has some of
the same in this country. We meaning both societies must learn to live within
our means and no longer live off the backs of poorer nations.
Think about it. The jobs once abundant in North America, went to the third world
because we confused cheap, with value. We had products made in the third
world because they would be cheaper to buy. Go figure, the products that are
now cheaper in cost are also made with less value, and without the benefit of the
safety and environmental controls we set for ourselves. With the cheaper prices,
came the massive loss of good paying jobs, and soon we won't be able to afford
the cheaper priced goods because we don't have full time jobs anymore.
I don't think we can teach America that much, as we made the very same mistakes
engaging in greed and self absorption. It is not enough to bash America, we have
to find some solutions that are mutually beneficial as it is important to both countries
that we have healthy economies and an influence in what is happening in the world.
Remember for the United States, reality is about to come home to roost and the
same chickens will fly into our yard, because the chickens of consequence don't
understand the concept of international boarders
 

Icarus27k

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The premise of the column is a solution to US woes can be found by Canada's experience. The first thing I try to do with such a premise is find out what woes he's talking about.

I don't believe the US national debt (apparently one of the woes) is that bad. Instead, I find it expected considering the recession that just occurred. The bigger the recession, the bigger the national debt. And this last recession was pretty big. When the US economy picks up again, the national debt can be addressed. It would be a really big event if the US ever saw it's national debt decrease (something that is unheard of in the post-WW2 era), but it wouldn't surprise me if it happened after a full economic recovery.
 

ironsides

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Harper has made some great initiatives to secure us a free market and trading rights to the E.U. Even though the E.U. is in a pickle at the moment, with austerity and the EURO crisis, it is still nevertheless a continent that has proven time and time again that it is capable from rebuilding from ruin and rubble.

If SHTF in the United States, just because of all the guns and conflicting segments in society, I don't expect anything less but a Yugoslav-styled Civil War in America (with the rates things are going. It'ld be a matter of time until the Regional Elites, i.e., state governors, stop paying attention to Washington. Most of the Democrats and Republicans are gun-ho lunatics who'ld probably send in the army to arrest the state leaders and they'll probably respond, especially in states like Texas, by calling up the national guard)

No bashing, Canadians may just be better at spending than we are.

Show us what two trotz.???

Spendthrift Canada? Many Americans would find that hard to believe. Throughout the subprime crisis that rocked the U.S., Canada's economy and banking industry remained rock solid.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20101231/bs_bw/1102b4210017482335;_ylt=AgcHzH9sk6AciC3XhMACgFBH2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTNlZ3VoZm11BGFzc2V0Ay9zL2J3LzIwMTAxMjMxL2JzX2J3LzExMDJiNDIxMDAxNzQ4MjMzNQRjY29kZQNnbXBjZWJuYmUEY3BvcwM1BHBvcwM1BHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDY2FuYWRpYW5zc3Bl



 

gopher

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I often go to justin.tv to watch sports or other online programming. Tonight, as in just about every night that there is a Canadian sports show like hockey or CFL, Canadians make it a point to say how much better they are thanks to having universal health care. And, as always, Americans bemoan the fact that our tax dollars paid for Europe's and Israel's health care while nearly 50,000 Yanks die every year for lack of health care. Come of to think of it, Canada should be the model for the USA especially in this regard.
 

BaalsTears

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Canada is not a model for America. Americans are engaged in a form of figurative civil war. It will take quite some time to play out. When it ends you Canadians won't recognize America.
 

Goober

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Another topic for the US bashers to have a field day with. Yawn! Oh well, it is a harmless exercise for the citizens of a country that means absolutely nothing in the International scheme of things.

And the grand question is - If and only if China slows down on buying US Treasuries, who will fill in. The ME - Europe, Canada. So take that and put a band aid on it OK.

That's a pretty pathetic knee jerk...you think that your country is special? Your problems too? Well, there's plenty of countries with problems, and sometimes smart people work out smart and effective ways to deal with problems. Solutions that can transcend borders...

I routinely criticize Canadians who immediately compare our healthcare to the US version of healthcare, when there are hundreds of countries, with varying policies and mixes of public-private involvement. It's asinine to be so focused on one alternative. It's equally asinine in the reverse direction.

So, maybe instead of responding like an arrogant prick, you might take the time to think about the topics raised.

And we are headed in the direction that many countires in Europe has - user pay - there are a variety to pick form but it is coming, just a matter of time and how much longer people will tolerate a system that is going down the tubes financially.