Canada Stands Alone On Anti-abortion

[CDNBear]

Geez, tossing out the personal insults already too.

You make it easy, and it's only an insult if its false (IMHO), given you came back, claimed you had changed, only to pull the same stupid ****, it obviously isn't.

Speaking of grasping things.... get a grip, it's just a forum.

I've been telling people that for years, including yourself, shall I post your "Good bye" rant and see just how seriously you take forum life?

Now, if you wish to have a civil discussion, try not to be so blatantly stupid. That will stop people like me from having to point it out you.

 

[YukonJack]

"It is only the Pope and other religious extremists who claim that life begins at conception. There is no scientific evidence for it. When it comes to science, I much perfer to believe scientists, rather than believe religious extremists."

With all due respect, that is simply STUPID.

If an entity in the womb has a chance to "become" human after nine months, only a total idiot would deny that entity of being a human life, before the nine months are up. And only a totally non-caring murderer would be not only willing, but wanting to snuff that life out and would call it justified.

Please name some of your "scientists" that claim that a life in the womb, created by two humans is not a human life.

Provide links of CREDIBLE people, not some left-wing extremist.

BTW, this would not even be an issue, if your second most favourite people in the world would have shown a scintilla of responsibility of their own bodies BEFORE the fact.

Your first most favourite people appear to be butchers, laughingly referred to as doctors, who conveniently forgot about their oath of "first, do no harm".

 

[theconqueror]

Of all of the people here with opinions on the matter, I wonder how many have ever been in the position to make such a decision.

I've been asked to help make that decision for someone. My answer was, "Whatever you decide, make sure it's a decision that you can hold on to for a lifetime."

The problem is, she wanted to forget and move on.

She got the abortion anyway, and I could have sworn it was the most selfish thing I had ever heard of when I got the news.

 

[TenPenny]

I've been asked to help make that decision in the past, and the decision made was the right one.

 

[TenPenny]

I've been asked to help make that decision for someone. My answer was, "Whatever you decide, make sure it's a decision that you can hold on to for a lifetime."

The problem is, she wanted to forget and move on.

She got the abortion anyway, and I could have sworn it was the most selfish thing I had ever heard of when I got the news.

In other words, while you said to make her own decision, you disapproved of it.

 

[CDNBear]

I've been asked to help make that decision in the past, and the decision made was the right one.

I bet it wasn't easy, you had to search through many aspects of your moral code and you reached that decision with a heavy helping of second guessing I bet.

 

[foukay]

I assume you meant exception not acception (whatever that might mean).

Oops! Yes, that's what I meant. Embarrassing mistake, but moving on...

Teen pregnancies used to be the norm prior to the 20th century. Do you really mean unmarried teen pregnancies?

Yes, unmarried teen pregnancies. Perhaps I should've been a little clearer on what I meant by teen mothers.

And what teens are you taking about - girls of 13 or women of 19?

Girls of 13-17, around that age group. Nowadays, there are still girls that age who are put into situations like getting pregnant after having sex with a boyfriend, getting raped, drugged etc. It's in those situations where I think abortion should be thought of, unless you put the baby up for adoption, which is a decent altenative I suppose.

You are right it is hard to go against abortion. It is the only 100% certain form of birth control.

Exactly, that's why I hate when I find ways to contradict myself and my beliefs. What I said above is an example.

 

[foukay]

That is a religious view, not a scientific view. As I said before, I prefer to believe the scientists, rather than believe the Pope, Pat Robertson or other Fundamentalist preachers.

Well, I am a Roman Catholic so I guess it's only natural that I have that point of view. But as I've mentioned above, I always find ways to contradict that belief and it all gets complicated after that. Hence, I'm not 100% against it.

 

[theconqueror]

In other words, while you said to make her own decision, you disapproved of it.

Of course I dissaproved. The problem was I didn't really want to give a direct answer, or let her know I dissaproved. I just wanted to advise her that it should be a decision that she should remember for a lifetime regardless of her choice. And, maybe throw a couple hidden messages in such as a decision she should "hold" on too forever.

The problem with some people is that they are so selfish, all that matters is whats in their best interest without the regard for "other lives".

But, i'm cool as long as she forgot and got what she wanted now after so many years gone by since her abortion and because she was so desperately thinking about only herself and her best interests, that she has no regrets...

because when they start regretting is when people get mad and feel as though they commited a crime.

 

[Praxius]

You make it easy, and it's only an insult if its false (IMHO), given you came back, claimed you had changed, only to pull the same stupid ****, it obviously isn't.

That change is subjective towards the situation that was in question that revolved around my departure, which is irrelevant to this discussion.

I've been telling people that for years, including yourself, shall I post your "Good bye" rant and see just how seriously you take forum life?

Now, if you wish to have a civil discussion, try not to be so blatantly stupid. That will stop people like me from having to point it out you.

Please, get over yourself.

You wanted to move on from our discussion, and I was by not continuing on with the previous discussion with you, ala: "Ah still the same ol CDNBear... *hugs* I missed ya *big smooch*" ~ AKA: No hard feelings, moving on.

Instead you decided to remain in your assholi'ish manner in continuing to toss petty insults and attitude as if you've been attacked or something.

You want to move on... then move on. Don't be so childish.

In closing on our previous discussion, I wanted to have a bit more clarification towards your comment on "Life" and the respect you have for all of it and wanted to know exactly how equal that respect is.... at the same time I went off on one of my tangents of things that crossed my mind which was generalized off your previous comments, which then you got all high and mighty over. I already knew your position on abortion and the rights for the mother, that wasn't what was in dispute.

And if that's so hard for you to grasp, then it's not me who's the "Stupid" one. If you can't deal with hypotheticals asked to you just for a bit of clarification on your position, that's not my fault.

 

[wulfie68]

Of all of the people here with opinions on the matter, I wonder how many have ever been in the position to make such a decision.

I was involved with a young woman who became pregnant, despite the precautions we took, and aborted the pregnancy without my knowledge. She told me a while after the fact (and after we were no longer seeing each other), thus leaving me to question a lot of things:

- was she telling the truth? why would she lie about this?
- why didn't she tell me when I could have possibly impacted her decision?
- how DID I feel about it?

Its still something I am unsure about. In the end, having a child wouldn't have saved our relationship, although I was capable and would have been willing to contribute to his/her care and upbringing... but I wasn't asked to do this. She made the decisions, and I have a hard time condemning her, because it was her body and the onus would have been more heavily on her: I can't carry a child to term or breast feed it once its born, etc.

I am now happily married and last summer we had a magnificent little man come into our lives. My son is the most precious thing in the world to me: I would do and give anything to see him safe and happy... and sometimes I do wonder about what might have been...

 

[CDNBear]

That change is subjective towards the situation that was in question that revolved around my departure, which is irrelevant to this discussion.

Not at all. See your last sentence for relevance.

Please, get over yourself.

Can't, I'm stuck with me and besides that, I love me.

You wanted to move on from our discussion, and I was by not continuing on with the previous discussion with you, ala: "Ah still the same ol CDNBear... *hugs* I missed ya *big smooch*" ~ AKA: No hard feelings, moving on.

Nice copout.

Instead you decided to remain in your assholi'ish manner in continuing to toss petty insults and attitude as if you've been attacked or something.

I never said I was attacked, I said your purposely being a dolt and for some unknown reason parroting my sentiments back at me, as if you came to them and are trying to show me my error. :roll:

You want to move on... then move on. Don't be so childish.

:lol:, yes those are the words of someone that has changed and wants to move on.

Grow up clown. Or at the very least, remove your head from your ass.

 

[CDNBear]

In closing on our previous discussion, I wanted to have a bit more clarification towards your comment on "Life" and the respect you have for all of it and wanted to know exactly how equal that respect is...

I made it pretty clear. Only a fool with the need to say something would have missed it.

. at the same time I went off on one of my tangents of things that crossed my mind which was generalized off your previous comments, which then you got all high and mighty over.

Not at all, just annoyed at the stupidity of your posts.

I already knew your position on abortion and the rights for the mother, that wasn't what was in dispute.

Not according to your posts, but given your limited cognitive skills, I'm not surprised you don't understand that.

And if that's so hard for you to grasp, then it's not me who's the "Stupid" one.

:lol: It wasn't me that was parroting your thoughts back at you.

If you can't deal with hypotheticals asked to you just for a bit of clarification on your position, that's not my fault.

Oh but I can. I just haven't seen it done yet. Especially not by you.

If you truly want to move on, then just quietly move on. Leave your insipid shyte at the door.

 

[TenPenny]

I was involved with a young woman who became pregnant, despite the precautions we took, and aborted the pregnancy without my knowledge. She told me a while after the fact (and after we were no longer seeing each other), thus leaving me to question a lot of things:

- was she telling the truth? why would she lie about this?
- why didn't she tell me when I could have possibly impacted her decision?
- how DID I feel about it?

Its still something I am unsure about. In the end, having a child wouldn't have saved our relationship, although I was capable and would have been willing to contribute to his/her care and upbringing... but I wasn't asked to do this. She made the decisions, and I have a hard time condemning her, because it was her body and the onus would have been more heavily on her: I can't carry a child to term or breast feed it once its born, etc.

I am now happily married and last summer we had a magnificent little man come into our lives. My son is the most precious thing in the world to me: I would do and give anything to see him safe and happy... and sometimes I do wonder about what might have been...

Yes, like remembering a high school love, there's always a question about what might have been. What's past is past. Look at your son, and think about the fact that it is extremely unlikely that you would have him, if your life had taken a turn in the past.

The only way to live without insanity is to make the best out of what you have now, not spend your life wishing the past was different. Because if the past was different, you wouldn't have the things you have today, the present would be different, too.

 

[CDNBear]

The only way to live without insanity is to make the best out of what you have now, not spend your life wishing the past was different. Because if the past was different, you wouldn't have the things you have today, the present would be different, too.

Well said...;-)

 

[Praxius]

Snipe snipe snipe..... If you truly want to move on, then just quietly move on. Leave your insipid shyte at the door.

Anyways, I agree with your position and opinions on the topic.

 

[CDNBear]

Anyways, I agree with your position and opinions on the topic.

Of course you do, I'm awesome like that, it's about time you noticed. Again only proving that you obviously have some form of cognitive issues, or you wouldn't have started your shyte with me in the first place.

And like I said, if you truly wanted to move on, you would, without having to say so, in conjunction with more or your usual stupidity.

 

[AnnaG]

The best that you can do? I think that is good enough. Abortion is murder is a religious view, it has no scientific backing. There is no scientific evidence that life begins at conception.

There's scientific evidence that life begins within a few hours of it. From cell division onwards, it is life. Inanimate things and dead things don't reproduce dna.

I just have to laugh at people who choose to remain ignorant and actually flaunt their ignorance like a banner. Neon lights in the library and all that. lol

 

[AnnaG]

I assume you meant exception not acception (whatever that might mean).
Teen pregnancies used to be the norm prior to the 20th century. Do you really mean unmarried teen pregnancies?
And what teens are you taking about - girls of 13 or women of 19?
You are right it is hard to go against abortion. It is the only 100% certain form of birth control.

No, it isn't. Abstinence is also 100% certain.

 

[AnnaG]

What I mean't was, it's all about her and her freedom of choices. Where are all the potential fathers and his decisions. Last time I checked a single sperm is the life of the empty egg...

Eggs aren't empty. I know a couple things that are, though, females aren't known for shooting blanks.

Surprised a male can't give birth on his own. :lol:

Extremely few men could handle it. A lot can't even handle watching it happen.