Canada must pull its troops out by 2011, says Ignatieff

Spade

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We haven't made a commitment at all, our lying worthless political class has made it for us without even any discussion of the purpose for the combat in the first place unless you count building schools and fostering democracy, which no one in thier right mind believes anyway.

There is absolutely no win in Afghanistan for Canadians

Well, yes! That is true!
 

Spade

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But, darkbeaver, our Parliament made that commitment in our name. So, it is a matter of honour. But no tinkering with the date; and no respite for our politicians!
 

talloola

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But what is your position on Canadian troops in Afghanistan? You suggest that the leader of the Liberal Party has no right to make a comment, then you criticize his comment and then suggest it is all boring to you

So do you have a position on this at all?

I did not say he has no 'right' I said he has no power to make a statement like
that, it means nothing, he isn't government, it has no sincerity, just sucking up to voters.
We are not talking our own positions, the topic is 'his' statement.
It doesn't matter what I think, don't want to argue that point, it's off topic.
 

Tyr

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We are there to get control of the drug trade again, or at least get the control out of the Taliban hands. This will deplete their funding.

Huh???? The Soviets couldn't do it, the American's have failed at it and NATO won't touch it. Do we have some untra, super secret weapon or plan that nobody else knows about?
 

Colpy

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Huh???? The Soviets couldn't do it, the American's have failed at it and NATO won't touch it. Do we have some untra, super secret weapon or plan that nobody else knows about?

What ARE you talking about?

Afghanistan in general, or the opium trade in particular?
 

Tyr

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What ARE you talking about?

Afghanistan in general, or the opium trade in particular?


We are there to get control of the drug trade again, or at least get the control out of the Taliban hands. This will deplete their funding.

Try reading the whole post, not just the reply portion
 

Spade

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And, from today's NY Times:
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"President Obama and his aides haven’t completed their policy review for Afghanistan — one of the most dangerous of the many foreign policy disasters George W. Bush so blithely left behind. But the situation is unraveling so quickly that aides say that the president decided that he had no choice but to send another 17,000 troops while commanders and diplomats try to come up with a strategy to stop the bloodletting and to try to block the Taliban from recapturing the country. There isn’t a lot of time."
 

Francis2004

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We are there to get control of the drug trade again, or at least get the control out of the Taliban hands. This will deplete their funding.

Isn't part of the problem that Canada cannot even control the drug trade ( Meth and Canabis ) within it's own boundaries let alone try to control it somewhere else ?

A drug is a drug and if you can't control it at home, your no example. That was Russia's problem and part of the US problem..

How much of the Opium is making it's way to North America, funding the Taliban possibly from our own troops or country at minimum ?
 

CanadianLove

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Isn't part of the problem that Canada cannot even control the drug trade ( Meth and Canabis ) within it's own boundaries let alone try to control it somewhere else ?

A drug is a drug and if you can't control it at home, your no example. That was Russia's problem and part of the US problem..

How much of the Opium is making it's way to North America, funding the Taliban possibly from our own troops or country at minimum ?

Read between the lines Chicken Little. The Taliban stomped out the drug trade in Afghanastan, at first. The other Governments of the World would not have it. they helped to get the Taliban oused. Now the drugs can run free again as long as the Taliban does not get any of the profit. Only farmers that work for the Taliban get busted. THE WAR IS BACKING THE DRUG TRADE, NOT FIGHTING IT.
 

Francis2004

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The Taliban stomped out the drug trade in Afghanastan, at first. The other Governments of the World would not have it. they helped to get the Taliban oused. Now the drugs can run free again as long as the Taliban does not get any of the profit. Only farmers that work for the Taliban get busted. THE WAR IS BACKING THE DRUG TRADE, NOT FIGHTING IT.


Afghanistan has been producing Opium for Ions..

Opium has flourished in Afghanistan since the time of Alexander the Great, when it was used as medicine. But under the Taliban production increased spectacularly, to the point where Afghanistan supplied 80% of Europe's heroin. In the year before Mullah Omar's edict, some 82,000 hectares of land were planted with poppy.

Taliban to lift ban on farmers growing opium if US attacks | World news | The Guardian

It's widely believed that the Taliban stopped production of Opium to push up the price of the product. Whether that is fact or fiction is irrelevant they stopped production for about 2 years..

However the Taliban were not the ones who started production of Opium and not quick at stopping production of Opium in Afghanistan. It suited their needs and they let farmers grow it until they felt it was no longer a requirement but kept it an option for war..

The heroin flooding Britain's streets is threatening the lives of UK troops in Afghanistan, an Independent investigation can reveal.



Russian gangsters who smuggle drugs into Britain are buying cheap heroin from Afghanistan and paying for it with guns. Smugglers told The Independent how Russian arms dealers meet Taliban drug lords at a bazaar near the old Afghan-Soviet border, deep in Tajikistan's desert. The bazaar exists solely to trade Afghan drugs for Russian guns – and sometimes a bit of sex on the side.


The drugs are destined for Britain's streets. The guns go straight to the Taliban front line. The weapons on sale include machine guns, sniper rifles and anti-aircraft weapons like the ones used in the attempt to assassinate the Afghan President Hamid Karzai last weekend.


"We never sell the drugs for money," boasted one of the smugglers. "We exchange them for ammunition and Kalashnikovs."


The drugs come mostly from Helmand, where most of Britain's 7,800 troops are based. The opium grown there is turned into heroin at factories inside Afghanistan, sold into Tajikistan and smuggled to Europe. The guns are broken down into parts, smuggled back into Afghanistan and delivered to the Taliban. One kilogram of heroin can buy about 30 AK-47 assault rifles at the bazaar.


Nato claims the Taliban get between 40 and 60 per cent of their income from drugs. The smugglers' claims suggest the real cost could be far higher.

Drugs for guns: how the Afghan heroin trade is fuelling the Taliban insurgency - Asia, World - The Independent

Next time you call me any name, don't expect an answer back..
 

VanIsle

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Change the Chicken Little avatar if you don't like it.
Why should he have had to change his avatar? He didn't make fun of yours and call you anything. Can't you just say sorry and move on?
Sir Francis, I quite liked your chicken avatar along with the many others. I thought the chicken was quite funny. It's your space and your avatar. Go for it! ;-)