Can muslims be good canadians?
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"Fundamentalist Muslim" should have been the title, not good Muslim.
Can there really be a Fundamentalist Christian, something to think about, the Bible has been written, re-written edited so many times what is the real version. Now the Koran supposedly is written as it was told to Mohammad verbatim.
And how do you know that (that Koran has been written verbatim)? Koran has been handed down by word of mouth, same as most religious texts, so we cannot be sure that what we see today is what Mohammed claimed was told to him by Allah.
As to Bible, Fundamentalist Christians insist that Bible is in its original, pure form, that the four Apostles who wrote New Testament were inspired by God and what they wrote is pretty much what we see today.
As to changing the title to ‘Fundamentalist Muslim’ rather than ‘good Muslim’ you may have something there. Can a Fundamentalist Muslim be a good Canadian? I will have to think about that one. But you spoiled the whole thing by claiming that a good Muslim cannot be a good Canadian.
Think I messed up the translating of the Koran also, it and the Christian Bible have a very similar history.
Just for the record... I've posted comments like this elsewhere on these boards, but I think they bear repeating when a topic like this comes up.
The best boss I ever had was a Pakistani Muslim, who was also a Canadian citizen. He taught me everything I know about being a manager, and his lessons served me well when I became a manager myself. He was very devout, and very intelligent , and very witty, deeply philosophical and thoughtful, very non-judgmental, very tolerant, deeply committed to his faith but completely tolerant of other views. And he was one of the kindest and gentlest of men. That man's example will forever be the face of Islam to me, he stands for the best of it. Any religion can be easily twisted and perverted to suit other agendas, because of its claims to absolute truth and its hugely complex texts that can provide support out of context for any claim you'd care to make , but he knew better and rejected stuff like that. I am deeply grateful to have known him.
So the answer to the question posed in the OP is a clear and unequivocal yes. I know one.
The best boss I ever had was a Pakistani Muslim, who was also a Canadian citizen. He taught me everything I know about being a manager, and his lessons served me well when I became a manager myself. He was very devout, and very intelligent , and very witty, deeply philosophical and thoughtful, very non-judgmental, very tolerant, deeply committed to his faith but completely tolerant of other views. And he was one of the kindest and gentlest of men. That man's example will forever be the face of Islam to me, he stands for the best of it. Any religion can be easily twisted and perverted to suit other agendas, because of its claims to absolute truth and its hugely complex texts that can provide support out of context for any claim you'd care to make , but he knew better and rejected stuff like that. I am deeply grateful to have known him.
So the answer to the question posed in the OP is a clear and unequivocal yes. I know one.
This is the second post you have made in as many days that I am unable to give you a green for.....consider this post the equivilant of those 2 greens.
Thank you Gerry, and double greenies to you too. Didn't I say somewhere recently that you have hidden depths it took me a while to see? :smile: You hide your real self under a rock too much. What's that about?
As in every faith it depends entirely on the Muslim. You might just as well ask if Catholics can be good Canadians considering that a good Catholic is supposed to do everything a foreign leader tells him to do.
A good Zionist wouldn't want to live in Canada they'd either be in Israel already, NY controlling the banking industry, Hollywood controlling the media or Brussels controlling the world diamond trade.
I agree with you as a Muslim, by the way , most of the citizens in Turkey are Muslims but Turkey has strictly secular system so everybody can practise their religions however they want without irritatin the others ,the state reserve the rights to believe freedomly but some puritans like in any countries sometimes do something not fair .
I really think we need sto stop judging people base on religion or beliefs. No matter where they are. there are mulsims here in usa, canada south American, eroupe etc...
So tell me - where do you want them? where do you think Jews should be? Because you haven't differentiated between a Jew and a Zionist. Lots of 'just Jews' live in Israel - they aren't Zionists, they're 'just Jews" - they don't 'control a banking industry' they don't control 'Hollywood', they don't control the 'media' or the 'diamond trade', they've lived there for generations. Tell me Canaduh - what ghetto do you want them in? And by the way - any objections to a group that 'controls the oil trade' or is that ok because they aren't 'zionists'?
A scarf is a scarf - it's not niquab (do yuo even know the difference be3tween niquab and hijab - betcha don't - please google). It has nothing to do with giving an inch and taking a mile. We are a secular country - we have religious freedom but that freedom cannot overtake personal freedom. And that's what the courts are for.WE have laws that basically say that religious freedoms do not trump personal rights. In other words, if your religion says that women must be covered and Canadian law says the rights of the human prevails, then law prevails. All the fight, all the press can't deny that so big deal.It doesn't matter if they fight for more - the law prevails, they loose and their kids win - and Canada wins.