Francis2004 knows that but as a (closet) Liberal he has to put as positive a spin on Iggy as he can.
Can Ignatieff distance himself from his past?
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Francis2004 knows that but as a (closet) Liberal he has to put as positive a spin on Iggy as he can.
Right, left, right, left, right, left. That's it, girls, march to the whims and quirks of the drummer and forget about thinking independently, with an eye on the future, etc.
Well one thing for sure.. Compared to you I would definitely fall out of the closet and into the wayyyyyyy left side of Liberal by your standards from what you keep telling me.
But that is your definition and you are intitled to that opinion.
Am I entitled to mine ?
First of all, most of that list was BS. Micheal Ignatieff has been successful at every job he's had. He doesn't have to beg his job back from Harvard. He would be welcomed back. He was very successful at Oxford and Cambridge as well. His "past" is something most people should be envious of, including Harpo.
You're falling for the Conservative tripe...er... talking points. The ACTUAL proposal is work 45 days for 19 weeks on EI benefits, not 1 year.
My mistake... With this new info, that makes working for less than 7 weeks and capable of collecting for 19 weeks is more than acceptable.
Let's see.... If I work for 3 months each year, I can qualify for EI benefits for the rest of the year. Does this make sense? Do you understand that the payroll taxes will increase in order to fund this?... That will be the responsibility of BOTH the employer and the employee, for those that are working full-time and not on the dole.
Is this what you want? Less money to take home?
Let's see.... If I work for 3 months each year, I can qualify for EI benefits for the rest of the year. Does this make sense? Do you understand that the payroll taxes will increase in order to fund this?... That will be the responsibility of BOTH the employer and the employee, for those that are working full-time and not on the dole.
Is this what you want? Less money to take home?
Well, firstly, I would like to point out I never endorsed the proposal. I only clarified it. Having a rational discussion of the merits of a proposal must begin with dealing with the merits and drawbacks of the actual proposal, as opposed to slagging it based on falsehoods and misrepresentations.
2ndly, EI, as it stands, can only be collected by someone who has not quit, or was not fired. That is, only because one is laid off due to no work. I do not see how this is can be abused, unless one constantly find jobs, and bankrupts the companies that they work for to collect 33% of their salary.
As stated about, EI is something like 33% of the salary that one makes. It is a band-aid. If you can survive off 33% of your salary for 19 weeks, you make a lot of money. I know I couldn't.
Now, personally, I think 45 days is too short. It should be longer. The issue is not that people are not finding short term, seasonal jobs, the issue is that people are not finding jobs right now. The waiting time to receive benefits should be less (like 2 weeks) AND any severance, etc... should not be clawed back from your EI payments.
Also, with the budget running at a $50 B deficit this year (up from $34 B) - you are not accepting reality that taxes (in general) will have to rise - unless you're ok with continuing to steal from your children to pay for our largesse.
My issue with the Harperites discussion on this issue is the outright misrepresentations and lies that they use to turn people agianst the proposal. EI reform is worthy of a logical debate, and is a complex, difficult issue. It deserves more than knee-jerk reaction, rheotoric and mis-representations (Just like the Cons did with the Green Shift).
At least Ignatieff was honest when he said that raising taxes is an option. It is. Whether you like it or not, we should pay off our debts.
Michael Ignatieff's History
Michael Grant Ignatieff MP (/ɪgˈna.tʃəf/; born May 12, 1947) is a Canadian historian, politician, leader of the Liberal Party of Canada and Leader of the Official Opposition in Canada. He has held prominent academic positions at Cambridge, Oxford, Harvard and Toronto. An award-winning author, he has also worked as a journalist and documentary filmmaker.
Ignatieff lived in the United Kingdom from 1978 to 2000. During this time he was a member of the faculty at both Cambridge and Oxford, and worked as a film-maker and political commentator for the BBC. He lived in the United States from 2000 to 2005; there, he was director of Harvard's Carr Center for Human Rights Policy while examing the use of the torture against detainees during George Bush's War on Terror. He returned to Canada in 2005 and took a position as a visiting professor and senior fellow of the Munk Centre for International Studies at the University of Toronto.[1] He was then mentioned as a possible Liberal candidate for the next federal election.
In 2006, he was elected as the Member of Parliament for Etobicoke—Lakeshore. Ignatieff was named associate critic for Human Resources and Skills Development in the Official Opposition Shadow Cabinet on February 22, 2006. He left this position on April 7, 2006 to become a candidate for the leadership of the Liberal Party. Front-runner for most of the campaign, he was defeated by Stéphane Dion on the leadership convention's fourth and final ballot. Ignatieff served as the party's deputy leader from December 18, 2006 to November 14, 2008. He was re-elected as Member of Parliament for Etobicoke-Lakeshore in the 2008 federal election.
On November 13, 2008 he announced his candidacy for the leadership of the Liberal Party.[2] On December 8, 2008 Dominic LeBlanc withdrew from the Liberal leadership race and on December 9, 2008, his only remaining opponent, Bob Rae, also withdrew, leaving Ignatieff as the sole candidate to replace Dion. On December 10, he was formally declared the interim leader in a caucus meeting, and his position was ratified at the party's May 2009 convention.[3]
Michael Grant Ignatieff MP (/ɪgˈna.tʃəf/; born May 12, 1947) is a Canadian historian, politician, leader of the Liberal Party of Canada and Leader of the Official Opposition in Canada. He has held prominent academic positions at Cambridge, Oxford, Harvard and Toronto. An award-winning author, he has also worked as a journalist and documentary filmmaker.
Ignatieff lived in the United Kingdom from 1978 to 2000. During this time he was a member of the faculty at both Cambridge and Oxford, and worked as a film-maker and political commentator for the BBC. He lived in the United States from 2000 to 2005; there, he was director of Harvard's Carr Center for Human Rights Policy while examing the use of the torture against detainees during George Bush's War on Terror. He returned to Canada in 2005 and took a position as a visiting professor and senior fellow of the Munk Centre for International Studies at the University of Toronto.[1] He was then mentioned as a possible Liberal candidate for the next federal election.
In 2006, he was elected as the Member of Parliament for Etobicoke—Lakeshore. Ignatieff was named associate critic for Human Resources and Skills Development in the Official Opposition Shadow Cabinet on February 22, 2006. He left this position on April 7, 2006 to become a candidate for the leadership of the Liberal Party. Front-runner for most of the campaign, he was defeated by Stéphane Dion on the leadership convention's fourth and final ballot. Ignatieff served as the party's deputy leader from December 18, 2006 to November 14, 2008. He was re-elected as Member of Parliament for Etobicoke-Lakeshore in the 2008 federal election.
On November 13, 2008 he announced his candidacy for the leadership of the Liberal Party.[2] On December 8, 2008 Dominic LeBlanc withdrew from the Liberal leadership race and on December 9, 2008, his only remaining opponent, Bob Rae, also withdrew, leaving Ignatieff as the sole candidate to replace Dion. On December 10, he was formally declared the interim leader in a caucus meeting, and his position was ratified at the party's May 2009 convention.[3]
Question Period fireworks
The Liberals are COMING
TheStar.com | Canada | Question Period fireworks
Government to stay the course, Harper says, after Liberals demand Flaherty be fired over $50B deficit
The Liberals are COMING
Finance Minister Jim Flaherty at a meeting with provincial finance ministers at MeechLake, Que., May 25, 2009.TheStar.com | Canada | Question Period fireworks
Government to stay the course, Harper says, after Liberals demand Flaherty be fired over $50B deficit
Try to get it right. Ignatieff spent eighteen years in Britain and only five years in the U.S.. He was on the faculty of Oxford, Cambridge, and Harvard, as well as the U of T. If you are a university professor who is in demand, what else do you do? Stay in Toronto? The guy has written a number of well received books, among them several award winners.
LOL, soc, you are gunna have a hard time getting your feet out of your mouth. You blithered in the past about Harper being in bed with the americand and you are supporting a leader who is much more involved with the yankees than being in bed with them. How are you going to squirm your way out of this one???
Hey Risus good day my friend, hey how is it that Canadians that work out of the country are lesser Canadians then you or the ones who never travel. You are living on an Island my friend, Harper is on record doing a speech from the Australian PM to back Bush on a war rampage that found nothing at the end just a LIE, of course I am going to be pist-off about that, what? is Iggy just as bad because he was popular professor and an award winning author? Give it a rest................ Harper has put you in debt federally and you seem to ask for more. There, I am out of it what you say to that?
That wasn't the gist of it Juan, but I didn't really expect a serious response anyways...;-)
Absolutely!
I like historians.....some of my best friends are professors of History... (seriously!) :smile:.
Iggy is a respected academic....no doubt. And I agreee with much of Iggy's view on the world, the military, and the west..........
but why did he return to Canada? One reason, and one reason only.....power. He wants it. Badly enough that it brought him back to a country that...yes, realistically...... he abandoned decades ago.
Funny how he wouldn't return to Canada to contribute as a learned and respected teacher.....but he sure scampered here quickly when he saw a path to the PM's chair and power.......which means....
His motives are suspect.
As an aside, if he were a Conservative (where he probably belongs) everybody would be crying that he is an American puppet, a mole sent by the great secret powers behind the scenes in the USA, come to Canada to enslave us......
Good day Colpy oh come on, that is why many bright minds go abroad to get educated and come back to serve their country with the teaching about the world. Not everyone is an opportunist with the likes of Harper's.
Iggy will make Canada proud. Igyy is not a puppet where Harper was to Bush.
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Iggy's won awards? Not surprised actually. Almost any pol I can think of is a recipient of the Darwinian awards, IMO. If Iggy can make Canada proud, he'll be the first Glib to do so since before Turdeau.
Ah, the reassuring sound of conformity. I wouldn't want anyone to think I'm strange or anything, so as long as I conform, I won't stick out and so the majority of Canadians (i.e. my co-sheep) will think I'm just as normal as they are. Ah, the joys of being normal, conformant, and non-critical. Besides, critical thought requires too much work.