Bye Bye Iggy Bye Bye -

[Walter]

Canadian Liberals hit new low in poll

Published: Nov. 21, 2009 at 9:57 AM
TORONTO, Nov. 21 (UPI) -- Canada's main opposition party, the Liberals, hit a new low in popularity of 24 percent in a poll published Saturday.
The Ipsos Reid telephone poll of 1,003 adults for the Canwest News Service and Global TV found Liberal support fell one percent from a similar poll last month.
Support also fell for the minority Conservative government under Prime Minister Stephen Harper, down three percent to 37 percent, the poll showed.
However, the socialist New Democratic Party surged six percent to 19 percent national support. The Green Party had 10 percent of respondents' favor, while the separatist Bloc Quebecois had nine percent.
The Liberals' showing is the lowest for the party since Michael Ignatieff became leader last December, the pollster said.
The Conservatives are 10 seats short of a parliamentary majority, with 145 of the 308 seats. The Liberals have 77, the Bloc Quebecois 48, the NDP 37 and there is one independent.
The poll was conducted Nov. 17-19 and has a 3.1 percentage point margin of error, Ipsos Reid said.

Hurray for Harper.

 

[Liberalman]

Canadian Liberals hit new low in poll

Published: Nov. 21, 2009 at 9:57 AM
TORONTO, Nov. 21 (UPI) -- Canada's main opposition party, the Liberals, hit a new low in popularity of 24 percent in a poll published Saturday.
The Ipsos Reid telephone poll of 1,003 adults for the Canwest News Service and Global TV found Liberal support fell one percent from a similar poll last month.
Support also fell for the minority Conservative government under Prime Minister Stephen Harper, down three percent to 37 percent, the poll showed.
However, the socialist New Democratic Party surged six percent to 19 percent national support. The Green Party had 10 percent of respondents' favor, while the separatist Bloc Quebecois had nine percent.
The Liberals' showing is the lowest for the party since Michael Ignatieff became leader last December, the pollster said.
The Conservatives are 10 seats short of a parliamentary majority, with 145 of the 308 seats. The Liberals have 77, the Bloc Quebecois 48, the NDP 37 and there is one independent.
The poll was conducted Nov. 17-19 and has a 3.1 percentage point margin of error, Ipsos Reid said.

Hurray for Harper.

This will be comforting for Harper as he sits in prison for war crimes in Afghanistan

 

[Ron in Regina]

Like all the other Western First World Leaders that have been convicted
and imprisoned for war crimes? I can't think of one off hand though? :-?
Can you name one?

 

[AnnaG]

Bye, Iggy. Take Harpy and Lameton with you, please.

 

[Risus]

This will be comforting for Harper as he sits in prison for war crimes in Afghanistan

War crimes? What are you smoking??

 

[pgs]

War crimes? What are you smoking??

I see there are knives out in the liberal kitchen.
Dion's wife attacking iggy now.

 

[Colpy]

War crimes? What are you smoking??

He's a troll, just a troll. Ignore him.

 

[Goober]

Iggy's new adviser - He has reached deep within America for help

 

[Mowich]

This will be comforting for Harper as he sits in prison for war crimes in Afghanistan

Liberalman, you really need to get a life, you know. LOL!

 

[Colpy]

Michael Ignatieff was invited to address a major gathering
of the Indian Nation in B.C. this summer. He spoke for almost an
hour on his future plans for increasing every First Nation's present
standard of living if he were elected Prime Minister. He assured them he was
always urging the present government to address more of the native
community's concerns.
At the conclusion of his speech, the Tribe presented
Ignatieff with a plaque inscribed with his new Indian name -
"Walking Eagle". The proud Ignatieff then departed waving to the crowd.

A news reporter later inquired to the group of chiefs of how they came to
select the new name given to Ignatieff. They explained that Walking Eagle is
the name given to a bird so full of **** it can no longer fly.

True? I doubt it.....but funny as Hell....
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[relic]

What is it about harper that you people like so much ?One of us is missing something,because I think he's a lying sack of ****,and the vast majority of his lackys are seriously incompetent.
I never liked him since the first time I clapped eyes on the beady eyed sob but here's a couple of examples of why I think he's dishonest: He passes a law saying elections at such an such a time,breaks it,,makes everything a confidence thing then when he's called on it goes running to the GG like a kid hiding behind mommys skirt.
You people love harper all you want,but remember,ol'Relic tried to warn y'.

 

[Goober]

What is it about harper that you people like so much ?One of us is missing something,because I think he's a lying sack of ****,and the vast majority of his lackys are seriously incompetent.
I never liked him since the first time I clapped eyes on the beady eyed sob but here's a couple of examples of why I think he's dishonest: He passes a law saying elections at such an such a time,breaks it,,makes everything a confidence thing then when he's called on it goes running to the GG like a kid hiding behind mommys skirt.
You people love harper all you want,but remember,ol'Relic tried to warn y'.

Relic
I have since revised my opinion of you Your handle is more than appropriate.

 

[Goober]

Well another case of Liberal Senators protecting business - and putting your safety at risk - your = means your family, children and so on - So what will Iggy do -
Senators vote to weaken safety bill

This passed Parliament with all parties voting in favor - So who does the Senate Support - Business or the ability of the Govt to remove unsafe products quickly -

Key Liberal senators voted yesterday to weaken the government's consumer product safety legislation -- putting at risk the proposal to give Health Canada inspectors the power to recall dangerous products quickly. The Liberal stickhandling the bill for the party in the Senate, Joseph Day, convinced his Liberal colleagues on the social affairs committee to get behind a number of amendments to curtail the power of Health Canada inspectors to seize products and recall any items found to be dangerous. Mr. Day said the changes fix an imbalance in the bill that favoured government inspectors at the expense of manufacturers and importers. The original bill says, " 'Give us all the power and trust us.' I'm saying let's limit these powers," Mr. Day told committee members reviewing the bill.

 

[relic]

Hey goob,that sounds like a personal attack.I'm tellin' Your damn right I'm grumpy,there's a guy in charge of this country that's dumb as dirt,and people like you would like to give him more power. How smart can the tories be,they put alberta in the hole,meby we should get Danny Williams to drive for a while,he the ony tory,meby the only politician with half a clue.

 

[Goober]

Hey goob,that sounds like a personal attack.I'm tellin' Your damn right I'm grumpy,there's a guy in charge of this country that's dumb as dirt,and people like you would like to give him more power. How smart can the tories be,they put alberta in the hole,meby we should get Danny Williams to drive for a while,he the ony tory,meby the only politician with half a clue.

Relic
We agree- Danny has half a clue -

 

[Mowich]

Hey goob,that sounds like a personal attack.I'm tellin' Your damn right I'm grumpy,there's a guy in charge of this country that's dumb as dirt,and people like you would like to give him more power. How smart can the tories be,they put alberta in the hole,meby we should get Danny Williams to drive for a while,he the ony tory,meby the only politician with half a clue.

You accuse our fabulous PM as being 'dumb as dirt' when in all actuality, it is you who resembles that remark, relic.
:lol::lol::lol:
And, yes people like me will celebrate long into the night, the day that our PM gets a majority. :hello1::hello1::hello1::hello1::hello1:

As far as the tories putting Alberta in the hole, you need to climb out of the one you are in. Ralph Klein and his government were the ones who made decisions regarding the Tar Sands, not the Federal government. :toothy4:

I, like Goober, agree that Danny Williams has half a clue.

But then, that's just my opinion. ;-)

 

[countryboy]

Hey goob,that sounds like a personal attack.I'm tellin' Your damn right I'm grumpy,there's a guy in charge of this country that's dumb as dirt,and people like you would like to give him more power. How smart can the tories be,they put alberta in the hole,meby we should get Danny Williams to drive for a while,he the ony tory,meby the only politician with half a clue.

Tsk, tsk. Such name-calling. I know all those words and more, but really...it's all very enteraining but do you think you look that much smarter than the PM using that kind of verbal style? Here's a "mantra" you can recite in your head when you feel the urge to insult somebody...anger management, anger management, anger management...just repeat it softly to yourself and that might help. Then if you take a minute to string some coherent thoughts together, we could all have an interesting discussion and perhaps even get closer to some solutions.

However, you are right on the money on one thing I've noted: Danny Williams does indeed have half a clue.

 

[Goober]

You accuse our fabulous PM as being 'dumb as dirt' when in all actuality, it is you who resembles that remark, relic.
:lol::lol::lol:
And, yes people like me will celebrate long into the night, the day that our PM gets a majority. :hello1::hello1::hello1::hello1::hello1:

As far as the tories putting Alberta in the hole, you need to climb out of the one you are in. Ralph Klein and his government were the ones who made decisions regarding the Tar Sands, not the Federal government. :toothy4:

I, like Goober, agree that Danny Williams has half a clue.

But then, that's just my opinion. ;-)

What the Liberals are going thru now reminds me of what occurred with the Conservatives and Reform party splitting the vote - It appears that the NDP are moving up in seats held by Liberals. That is the similarity I see - Lib and NDP splitting the vote -

And many Liberals will not support the NDP and a good portion are headed to Harper - he has made inroads with women and Van Loan's work with minority communities is starting to pay dividends -

One article I read was that the apology to the Chinese and restitution has changed many peoples attitudes in the Chinese community - They remember that the Liberals did nothing. -

People credited Chretien with being a brilliant politician when he had the main opposition split between Reform and Conservative -

One thing that Harper does need is more talent in the Parliament - he has some but more is required - particularly in Quebec -

He also has to soften his stance - which he has - Gradualism works better than divisive policies -

He will have to come out with large budget cuts but he has restricted himself to much - a large portion he has promised will not be cut - Every Dept should be on the table for reorg - cuts -

 

[Mowich]

=Goober;1182504]What the Liberals are going thru now reminds me of what occurred with the Conservatives and Reform party splitting the vote - It appears that the NDP are moving up in seats held by Liberals. That is the similarity I see - Lib and NDP splitting the vote -

Don't mean to be so dense, Goob, but I am having trouble understanding what you mean by the Cons and Reform splitting the vote?

And many Liberals will not support the NDP and a good portion are headed to Harper - he has made inroads with women and Van Loan's work with minority communities is starting to pay dividends -

And we can thank a benevolent Universe for that. :smile:

One article I read was that the apology to the Chinese and restitution has changed many peoples attitudes in the Chinese community - They remember that the Liberals did nothing. -

Did they ever? Only kidding, I was once the President of the Young Liberals of Saskatchewan having been raised in a dynasty of Liberal supporters. My Dad was once asked to run as an MP for our riding.

People credited Chretien with being a brilliant politician when he had the main opposition split between Reform and Conservative -

I was once a staunch supporter of Jean Chretien, most especially when he was finance minister under PET. I thought he was a fine man and looked up to him. I actually saw him on the streets of TO one day. I walked up to him and asked him if I could shake his had and he graciously did so. I was absolutely thrilled and told everyone I could about it. How far the mighty have fallen.

One thing that Harper does need is more talent in the Parliament - he has some but more is required - particularly in Quebec -

He also has to soften his stance - which he has - Gradualism works better than divisive policies -

Sorry, Goob, but what you see is what you get with our PM - Gaia Bless Him! :smile:
As I keep saying to a friend of mine, Stephen Harper never really got past the 'nerd/geek stage in many ways, and I do mean that in the kindest of ways. He has worked hard to overcome his innate sense of personal invasion when in public forums or facing the media but he will never be the smooth talkin' likes of Giles or even Jackie-Boy at rare times. I can remember actually wincing as I watched him face the media in the first couple of years after his election. You can tell immediately by his body language when he is upset or uncomfortable. In many ways this endears him to me. It is so unrehearsed, so natural and contrasts markedly with the smooth polished likes of Jackie Boy in his used-care-salesman mode. I identify more readily with the slight stiffness that is part of our PMs nature then I do with the oft rehearsed and much practiced ease of most politicians.

He will have to come out with large budget cuts but he has restricted himself to much - a large portion he has promised will not be cut - Every Dept should be on the table for reorg - cuts -

I can't help but think that the recession and resultant burgeoning debt is something that keeps Mr. Harper long into many nights, being that he is an economist. I believe that given a majority Canada will finally be able to reap the talents of our PM. I think he has a plan, maybe even a vision for Canada. He is hampered in implementing it now by having a minority government dependent upon the oppostions support.


But then, that's just my opinion. ;-)

 

[Goober]

Don't mean to be so dense, Goob, but I am having trouble understanding what you mean by the Cons and Reform splitting the vote?




And we can thank a benevolent Universe for that. :smile:



Did they ever? Only kidding, I was once the President of the Young Liberals of Saskatchewan having been raised in a dynasty of Liberal supporters. My Dad was once asked to run as an MP for our riding.




I was once a staunch supporter of Jean Chretien, most especially when he was finance minister under PET. I thought he was a fine man and looked up to him. I actually saw him on the streets of TO one day. I walked up to him and asked him if I could shake his had and he graciously did so. I was absolutely thrilled and told everyone I could about it. How far the mighty have fallen.



Sorry, Goob, but what you see is what you get with our PM - Gaia Bless Him! :smile:
As I keep saying to a friend of mine, Stephen Harper never really got past the 'nerd/geek stage in many ways, and I do mean that in the kindest of ways. He has worked hard to overcome his innate sense of personal invasion when in public forums or facing the media but he will never be the smooth talkin' likes of Giles or even Jackie-Boy at rare times. I can remember actually wincing as I watched him face the media in the first couple of years after his election. You can tell immediately by his body language when he is upset or uncomfortable. In many ways this endears him to me. It is so unrehearsed, so natural and contrasts markedly with the smooth polished likes of Jackie Boy in his used-care-salesman mode. I identify more readily with the slight stiffness that is part of our PMs nature then I do with the oft rehearsed and much practiced ease of most politicians.





I can't help but think that the recession and resultant burgeoning debt is something that keeps Mr. Harper long into many nights, being that he is an economist. I believe that given a majority Canada will finally be able to reap the talents of our PM. I think he has a plan, maybe even a vision for Canada. He is hampered in implementing it now by having a minority government dependent upon the oppostions support.


But then, that's just my opinion. ;-)

Mowich
During the 90's after the collapse of the Conservative Party the reform party rose from those that were disgusted with the corruption of Mulroney - Yes Mulroney did some good things - but that is not relevant -

Reform and Conservatives contested as many riding as possible and Chretien rode thru the middle and won seats - Call me dense - which I can be - but that is how I see it -

The right was divided and Chretien used every tactic possible - fear - hidden agenda etc - and he won.

Now that aside - If and when Harper steps down in my opinion, only one candidate is viable - Prentice - he has the brains, the ability to work things thru - and is well respected

- Now in my opinion Peter MacKay - and yes I remember his father Elmer quite well and both are well connected to Airbus - is a flaming idiot - same as Doris Day - not viable to the Canadian public. I would in that case, Mackay as leader - vote Green - Just my thoughts though.