BushCo crimes - lets do the world a favour

[jimmoyer]

Well, first, Ocean Breeze, I thank you for still
hanging in there and I hope others who do agree with
you do not depart out of disgust from those of us
who disagree.

I hope Moghrabi, Karlin, Hard Luck Henry and others
do not leave out of disgust with more conservative
view points.

Ocean Breeze, thanks again for having a hardy spirit.

And now that issue of labels on groups of people.

Yeah, Ocean Breeze, you're right that labels often
are somewhat unjust and inaccurate and cause intolerance.

On the other hand, we all know where most of us
sit in the spectrum, and so if we could use the label
as a practical shorthand so to speak, it would save us
the trouble of a paragraph or two.

And all words are labels.
If we start ommitting some labels, we're missing
the practicality of it all, making it more cumbersome
and more wordy than the convenience of one word.

Yet, again, Ocean Breeze' admonition about the
labels encouraging intolerance is still worthwhile, but not to the point where
it loses practicality in that all words are labels
and that all our posts becomes a politically correct
tiresome excercise.

Hmmm....perhaps it is.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

To put it back to you, OB, when the UN says something you don't like, is it then irrelvant to YOU?

nice try , but no cigar.


(an aside.........but this used to be a nicely balanced board /forum........and suddenly it has become something else entirely. ........and not a pleasant place to be. Seems the same people who favor discussing/attacking the posters as opposed to the topics are back in full form and doing just that... which implies a serious learning disability. )

but there is a time for everything and sometimes the time has come....

very sad.....and one has to be a masochist to hang around such pathology..

Happy new year everyone....... and time for a major hiatus at this end.

ta ta and have fun.

 

[jimmoyer]

Hey Ocean Breeze, I felt the same way, but hope
you stay and I wish for all of us just to be a little
more tolerant.

 

[Curiosity]

Ocean Breeze

Looks as if you were trying to find a reason for exit - which is sad considering you have built up such a case for argument.

I understand you are in a terrible place right now as your long time forum has been split and you have lost people you care about here.
But why not stay and continue the good work which was going on before?

Why not hang in there when you calm down and try to dissect some of the arguable points and let's come to an understanding.

I walked into the middle of something which seemed terribly passionate to you..... don't leave it unresolved.

Or do you wish it to be?

You seem much more knowledgable than that.

I would like to be convinced that what you write is credible evidence, not just your personal impassioned opinion. This is a war, peoples' lives are being torn apart, and arguing impotently without back up and rationale debate, we are doing little to help the people understand....

Hell I'm still trying to figure out what USR is of which you write...

 

[FiveParadox]

Reform in the United Nations Worthwhile

On the Subject of the United Nations

In my opinion, if the United Nations were to be reformed so as to prevent one nation (such as a permanent member of the Security Council) from exercising a veto on any motion or measure with which it may happen to disagree. This renders the assembly ineffective, and somewhat less legitimate.

At the very least, a veto should only be invoked if a majority of members of the Security Council consent to the exercise, rather than one single nation holding such sweeping power. Furthermore, the activities of the United Nations should be made more publicized by the mainstream media; if citizens knew of some of the studies and ideas coming out of the UN, perhaps people would appreciate the body more than the mainstream currently seems to.

On the Subject of Iraq

Perhaps the Speaker of the House of Commons of Canada should invite the Speaker of the corresponding Parliamentary institution in Iraq to attend one of the next session's sittings of the Canadian Commons. If Iraq is indeed becoming sovereign, then Canada should embrace the Parliament of Iraq; in fact, I would be in favour of establishing Interparliamentary Committees between Canada and Iraq to discuss matters of international concern.

 

[jimmoyer]

Very good post, Wednesday's child !!

I'd like to advise the conservatives that we are
guests in a house "THEY" created and it would be
ashame to see all of the original membership feel
they have to leave their own house.

And telling them to have more toughness is no way
to go about it.

We guests should be more civil without
losing resilience in our points of view.

This place is not about singing to the choir.

It's about having a two-way conversation.

It's about us agreeing that NO ONE has a monopoly
on one truth.

 

[Curiosity]

On the Iraq Elections

Parts I through IV

http://thunder6.typepad.com/365_arabian_nights/2005/12/elections_part_.html

 

[doug]

<Snip> Stick with the topic, avoid personal attacks. Your comments have been posted in the moderator thread. Smarten up. Cosmo


As you well know my deleted response was in reference to this. Are you suggesting my response was erroneous? Do you always delete/edit posts you personally find offensive regardless of thier provenance?

(an aside.........but this used to be a nicely balanced board /forum........and suddenly it has become something else entirely. ........and not a pleasant place to be. Seems the same people who favor discussing/attacking the posters as opposed to the topics are back in full form and doing just that... which implies a serious learning disability. )

but there is a time for everything and sometimes the time has come....

very sad.....and one has to be a masochist to hang around such pathology..

Happy new year everyone....... and time for a major hiatus at this end.

ta ta and have fun.

 

[Curiosity]

Re: RE: BushCo crimes - lets do the world a favour

Very good post, Wednesday's child !!

I'd like to advise the conservatives that we are
guests in a house "THEY" created and it would be
ashame to see all of the original membership feel
they have to leave their own house.

And telling them to have more toughness is no way
to go about it.

We guests should be more civil without
losing resilience in our points of view.

This place is not about singing to the choir.

It's about having a two-way conversation.

It's about us agreeing that NO ONE has a monopoly
on one truth.

JimMoyer

Thank you - I am not certain about "conservative house and guests" because these again are labels. I see in a re-read now that you mean this forum was a liberal one and as conservatives, these writers are "guests". I think I have it now. Sorry!

There is not one person here who would run to the aid of another and look for a label describing the political party to which the injured belonged before taking action in getting help.

Forums are places to find a resolution or meeting of the ways which clear to understanding. It is not to lay blame on others or to "win" because in war there is no "win". This isn't much of a sport because in the long run we are all affected no matter the outcome of any war. Politics are for the empty rhetoric when the guns stop firing and history will be written and re-written to suit.

Meanwhile people like you and I have an opportunity to avail ourselves of both sides of the argument, sort out our own feelings and try to make sense from what is handed down - which the military ultimately pays for in sacrifice.

If there are gross errors made by George Bush, the Republican Party, the Pentagon, and all the others being labeled here, history will soon tell us their sad story and it will be well known for all of us to learn from.

Meanwhile, we waiting to see the outcome of the drama being played out on the world stage, can argue impotently one side or the other and form teams to outwit the others, or we can wipe out the lines of demarcation and the labels and realize we are all in this together like it or not... and better we discuss it now so we don't go down this path again any time soon.

The people in Iraq are not stupid, nor are they idiots, and I hope they are taking every advantage of the things offered to them by the blood of their own people and the blood of the young from other lands.... and make something of their new lives....women included.

If you will think back on how Japan is now....how Germany is now....how Britain is now.....how Russia and its satellite nations are now.... how South Korea is now.... how North Korea is now.... how Vietnam is now.....some things have been accomplished - poorly perhaps - violently certainly - but progress has been made.

Sadly we are still living in the messy thoughts of what Queen Victoria's children bequeathed us...what a dysfunctional family that must have been! :wink:

 

[Cosmo]

Albertablue ... ITN ... The two of you are here on a trial basis after being banned. If you choose to attack a valuable, established member of this forum, you will be given another invitation to move along. Particulary when it is a tag team effort.

There have been some changes here ... some folks have left, others have arrived, but there is still no room for bullshit. This did not become a free-for-all overnight. If you can't be civil in the political threads, I suggest you scoot on over to the joke thread and lighten up.

Ocean ... I hope you will reconsider. Your input is highly valued here.

Cosmo

 

[Jo Canadian]

 

[Jo Canadian]