BushCo crimes - lets do the world a favour

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Bush's Wartime Dictatorship The threat of presidential supremacism

In defending his edict authorizing surveillance of phone calls and e-mails originating in the United States, President Bush reiterated legal arguments, long made by his intellectual Praetorians, that imbue the White House with wartime powers no different from those exercised by a Roman emperor. As Barton Gellman and Dafna Linzer pointed out in the Washington Post the other day:
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Bush's High Crimes

Choosing his words carefully, George W. Bush all but accused critics of his extralegal warrantless wiretaps of giving aid and comfort to Al Qaeda: "It was a shameful act, for someone to disclose this very important program in time of war. The fact that we're discussing this program is helping the enemy." If so, the ranks of the treasonous now include leaders of the President's own party, and the New York Times's revelations of illegal wiretaps foretell an earthquake. Story
 

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George W. Bush all but accused critics of his extralegal warrantless wiretaps of giving aid and comfort to Al Qaeda: "It was a shameful act, for someone to disclose this very important program in time of war. The fact that we're discussing this program is helping the enemy."

I gotta ask.....Does he REALLY BELEIVE this sh*t?????

notice how anything that is critized is immediately aiding and abetting the Al Quada or what ever the terrorist /enemy flavor is of the day.

How does he keep getting away with this insanity.???

( you KNOW.......that this IS irrational thinking ...... or has he spun himself into concentric circles of such lies that all he can do now is repeat the same crap each time??? Just another version of "with us or agin us"---- simpleton!! )

sorry pal :x (bushlet)......but the shame is on you for trying to pull such crap on a population of people who rely on you.....for some semblance of leadership...that qualifies a shade or two above moronic.
 

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jjw1965 said:
Bush's Wartime Dictatorship The threat of presidential supremacism

In defending his edict authorizing surveillance of phone calls and e-mails originating in the United States, President Bush reiterated legal arguments, long made by his intellectual Praetorians, that imbue the White House with wartime powers no different from those exercised by a Roman emperor. As Barton Gellman and Dafna Linzer pointed out in the Washington Post the other day:
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ya know........this is one of the reasons he was so willing and eager for war.......a war HE started so as to categorize himself as a war time president......knowing he could take many liberties with all kinds of laws and actions. How could he have gotten away with this crap if there was no war and he had not annointed himself as "war prez".

( I gotta laugh each time I think of that. the little boy emperor wanna bee.) nothing like setting it up so all the control favors one man.......and the sheeple , being an aggressive sort anyhow, love to worship their troops in action. A win win.........until the truths come out.
 

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Judge's resignation adds to spying furor

WASHINGTON — A federal judge has resigned from a special panel that oversees the government's surveillance of suspected spies and terrorists, adding to a political firestorm over President Bush's secret domestic spying program that bypasses the panel.
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Judge's resignation adds to spying furor

WASHINGTON — A federal judge has resigned from a special panel that oversees the government's surveillance of suspected spies and terrorists, adding to a political firestorm over President Bush's secret domestic spying program that bypasses the panel.
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THIS Is getting messier and messier. Could be the straw that breaks the camels .....er.....bush's back.
 

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Paper: Anti-terror wiretaps involved some U.S. calls

WASHINGTON -- U.S. security officials say some of the wiretaps authorized by President George Bush without warrants accidentally monitored domestic telephone calls.

The Bush administration is under scrutiny for the practice of the National Security Agency circumventing the judiciary in ordering anti-terror wiretaps of international calls.
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Florida peace group could sue over Pentagon spying


MIAMI (AFP) Dec 23, 2005
A Florida peace group whose meetings were monitored and reported as threatening by the Pentagon are considering suing the US government for civil rights violations, a lawyer said Friday.
The Truth Project, a group of peace activists in Lake Worth, Florida who mainly campaign against military recruitment in schools, said it was collecting data to decide whether to launch a lawsuit over government spying on its citizens that could have national impact.

Their lawsuit could take on all of the domestic espionage carried out by various government agencies that has been revealed recently, said Rob Ross, lead lawyer for Truth Project.

Such a suit could have a broad political impact, as it would come in the middle of a political battle in Washington over President George W. Bush's authorizing the National Security Agency to intercept some domestic communications by US citizens without a judge's consent, which some say violates US laws.

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jjw1965 said:
Florida peace group could sue over Pentagon spying


MIAMI (AFP) Dec 23, 2005
A Florida peace group whose meetings were monitored and reported as threatening by the Pentagon are considering suing the US government for civil rights violations, a lawyer said Friday.
The Truth Project, a group of peace activists in Lake Worth, Florida who mainly campaign against military recruitment in schools, said it was collecting data to decide whether to launch a lawsuit over government spying on its citizens that could have national impact.

Their lawsuit could take on all of the domestic espionage carried out by various government agencies that has been revealed recently, said Rob Ross, lead lawyer for Truth Project.

Such a suit could have a broad political impact, as it would come in the middle of a political battle in Washington over President George W. Bush's authorizing the National Security Agency to intercept some domestic communications by US citizens without a judge's consent, which some say violates US laws.

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personally, I like the idea of suing .... let's see how this develops. Seems that suits is the universal language......and can make a powerful statement. Furthermore , the rights one has can deteriorate/atrophy if they are not excercised.
 

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It really does seem to be picking up steam.

When the "controlled" mass media starts to mention it we will know the glass ceiling has been broken.

I got an idea - lets do the world a favour and arrest Bush next time he comes into Canada, and save them the trouble of impeaching him by putting him on criminal trial.

Either way, the world will be a better, safer, place as soon as he is removed from power
 

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RE: BushCo crimes - lets

Hell, that's probably the only reason he's not been the target of an assassination attempt OR a foreign arrest yet... because everybody worldwide KNOWS that Cheney & Co. would be even worse.

My fiance actually speculated the other day that this may well have had something to do with GWB choosing Cheney as his running mate in the first place.... knowing that having Cheney in the VP slot would deter such attempts.
 

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I highly doubt that Summer.

Most leaders in this high rarified atmosphere of
power know they got to circle the wagons at times
and so they (like any of us) will want loyal people they can trust on many levels.

Lately, Cheney has lost cache as top adviser to the
President, because some of his most passionate
stands have been proven wrong, perhaps surprising
Bush about the leaking he hates so much in the Libby indictment, and the prediction that Iraq would welcome
us after toppling Saddam.

Bosses don't like making mistakes and frequently
blame the advisor who urged them on a particular
policy that went wrong.
 

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Re: RE: BushCo crimes - lets

Summer said:
Hell, that's probably the only reason he's not been the target of an assassination attempt OR a foreign arrest yet... because everybody worldwide KNOWS that Cheney & Co. would be even worse.

My fiance actually speculated the other day that this may well have had something to do with GWB choosing Cheney as his running mate in the first place.... knowing that having Cheney in the VP slot would deter such attempts.

that is a good point. The flaw in the thinking might be that bush isn't bright enough to create this strategy. BUT...... he is suggestable and has taken advice on these people. So someone could have masterminded it. It is not beyond probability. Furthermore, I am quite sure that it is Cheney that is running things anyhow. Bush is the figurehead. They just make him think he is the leader. Cheney is the perfect behind the scenes maestro. He is so secretive and devious......it is really scary. He is a bigger con then bush is ...

this is why......much as I want to see the pharoah gone......I DREAD the possibility of Cheney taking over. Talk about being between a rock and a hard place.
 

Summer

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Yeah, exactly. And the thing is, with the current administration, one has to dig down through several levels before finding individuals with actual ethics.... the danger goes several levels deep.

You're right about Bush being largely a puppet for other interests, I'd say.
 

jimmoyer

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We cartoonize our enemies, and this never leads
to real accuracy.

Any boss, (even the much hated Bush, and
even all of you) pick friends --- those
who will be loyal to you.

And all of us generally associate with like-minded
people and those are the people we trust.

The corruption in a democracy and in capitalism
always give rise to a deep gutteral skepticism.

I see all of this more like 2 camps believing what they believe and cartoonizing each other, claiming things about the other that are not true.

I do believe that Bush is guilty of great hubris,
of mistakenly not including some outside his inner
circle to reach consensus.
 

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December 29, 2005

I hope that Paul Wolfowitz is put on trial some day with the rest of the neoconservative mafia, on charges of killing 100,000 Iraqis and more than 2,000 American soldiers. I think that in the end, he will go on trial, instead of being rewarded for his role in the war against Iraq by being appointed head of the World Bank.

I'm not alone in calling for him to be put on trial, for the same reasons. Many people have begun feeling the same way as I do. I read an article on the internet by Rick Sterling, who proposes assassinating Wolfowitz, just like the reverend Pat Robertson suggested that Hugo Chavez, the president of Venezuela, should be assassinated. Sterling remembered that he opposes the death penalty, so he proposes kneecapping Wolfowitz, mafia-style, and then ends by advocating that Wolfowitz be pelted with eggs and tomatoes.

I don't want anything of this sort. I insist that he be tried along with Douglas Feith, David Wurmser, Richard Perle and the other pillars of the Likudist mafia.
Wolfowitz is the one who brought Lewis Libby to the government. Wolfowitz brought Libby to the Pentagon and the State Department in the 1980s; Libby is done with both institutions now. Libby might implicate his former boss Dick Cheney and others. But the most dangerous thing that Wolfowitz did was to plot, along with Feith, the establishment of the Office of Special Plans at the Pentagon, to provide false intelligence information justifying a war against Iraq.

Wurmser helped Feith in setting up what Mother Jones magazine called "the lie factory," which was run by Deputy Secretary William Luti, and his boss was Abram Shulsky. Everyone believed the information provided by the charlatan-informant Ahmad Chalabi and the rest of the Iraqi National Congress; Chalabi received a $340,000 monthly salary from Iraqi intelligence, even after the war.
As I mentioned in an earlier installment of this series, an investigation has begun with Feith into the falsifying of information about Iraq's alleged WMD and ties to al-Qaida. I believe that the investigation is a serious one, and it should reach Wolfowitz.

Ahmad Chalabi should go on trial in Iraq one day. I call for a fair trial. Today, he continues to insist that he didn't deliberately lie, because he is no longer ready to insist that the information about WMD was correct. The same goes for the other myths spread by enemies of Arabs and Muslims in the Likudnik mafia that Chalabi enthusiastically joined. It's no secret that he promised the "Israelis" at the American Enterprise Institute and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (the security of Israel, not the US) that he would see an exchange of diplomatic relations with Israel when he rules Iraq, and reopen the pipeline from Iraq to Haifa (after destroying Syria along the way).
Whenever I hear Ahmad Chalabi's name, it's always in connection with some scandal or another, beginning with the financial scandals in the Gulf, Lebanon and Jordan. However, his conviction on fraud in the collapse of Petra Bank in Amman and his 20-year prison sentence is easy, compared to what he did to Iraq afterward.

The FBI is now investigating if Chalabi presented deliberately false information about Iraq to American intelligence agencies. However, once again I prefer to see him go on trial in Iraq. Chalabi visited the US in November and denied that he mislead the US government on purpose. I can accuse Ahmad Chalabi of many things, but not stupidity. So I refuse to believe that he believed the information that wasn't believed by the Americans, because they chose to believe information that suited them. They aren't stupid either. It was a case of warmongers who were fellow travelers, each having his own reason.

Ahmad Chalabi ran away the truth at every stop on his recent visit to the US. Arianna Huffington, who went to hear him at the Council on Foreign Relations, wrote about the contradiction between the truth in Iraq and Chalabi's comments.
He discussed the armed resistance, which personally I call terror, arguing that there is no sectarian fighting in Iraq, merely acts of violence by individuals. Iraq is on the brink of a civil war, if it hasn't already started, and Chalabi talks about individuals. He described his relationship with Iran as "totally transparent" even though the FBI is investigating whether Chalabi leaked secret information to the Islamic Republic. Chalabi said that Ayatollay Ali Sistani "is not concerned by politics; it's the last thing on his mind." Chalabi didn't need to lie about this, but his nature got the better of him. The worst thing that Chalabi said involved his opinion on the corruption spreading in Iraq. "Ninety five percent of corruption . . . has been eliminated," he said.

The greatest corruption in the history of the world is taking place in Iraq today. There's no way that it can end as long as those benefiting from it are the ones who promoted the war, and conspired to kill Iraqis and destroy their country. An extremist who is not deterred from killing has no fear of engaging in theft.

Frankly, I don't understand this kind of lying. It involves contempt for the listeners, since the truth is as clear as the light of day. Ahmad Chalabi is the one who brought Iraqi dissidents to the Pentagon; these dissidents provided completely false information about chemical and biological weapons, mobile laboratories, and a nuclear program. Chalabi himself confessed, on the PBS program Front Line, that his people had provided the names of people who built the relationship between al-Qaida and the Saddam Hussein regime. Since this relationship did not exist, I don't know how Chalabi can now deny his role in fabricating facts, despite his picture and voice appearing on television.
I don't want to close today's column by engaging in incitement myself, even though it's legal incitement. Ahmad Chalabi told Time magazine that the Military Tribunal in Jordan found him guilty of fraud, and that the Iraqi people trust him because "they know the record of Jordan being the hub of corruption on the basis of Saddam's illicit dealings."

Ahmad Chalabi talks about corruption and accuses the judges who tried him and Jordan with them. This is despite the fact that he was part of a system of rule that was based on foreign arms and was corrupt to the bone. Whatever happens to Iraqis, there's no way that an agent of foreign intelligences services can enjoy their trust; his presence in the Iraqi government is an insult to Iraq.
Thus, I say to King Abdullah of Jordan that any pardon of Chalabi or deal is unacceptable to Jordan and the rule of law in that country. I can't imagine that the King will accept such a thing; national dignity is above any interest. We'll just have to see.


this could get mighty bloody.
 

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Bush Defends Legality of Domestic Spy Program

By ERIC LICHTBLAU
WASHINGTON, Jan. 1 - President Bush today continued to defend both the legality and necessity of the National Security Agency's domestic eavesdropping program, and he denied that he had misled the public last year when he asserted that any government wiretap required a court order.

"I think most Americans understand the need to find out what the enemy's thinking, and that's what we're doing," Mr. Bush told reporters in San Antonio, Tex., as he visited wounded soldiers at the Brooke Army Medical Center.

"They attacked us before, they'll attack us again if they can," he said of terror groups. "And we're going to do everything we can to stop them."

Mr. Bush's strong defense of the N.S.A. program, which he authorized in 2002 to allow some domestic eavesdropping without court warrants, came as Senator Charles E. Schumer called on the administration to make available current and former high-level officials to explain the evolution of the secret program.

Senator Arlen Specter, the Pennsylvania Republican who leads the judiciary committee, has already pledged to make hearings into the N.S.A. program one of his highest priorities.

In a letter to Senator Specter today, Senator Schumer, a New York Democrat, who also serves on the Judiciary Committee, said the committee should explore "significant concern about the legality of the program even at the very highest levels of the Department of Justice."

The New York Times reported today that when James B. Comey was deputy attorney general, he refused to sign on to the recertification of the program in March 2004.

That prompted two of Mr. Bush's most senior aides - Andrew Card, his chief of staff, and Alberto R. Gonzales, then White House counsel and now attorney general - to make an emergency hospital visit to the Attorney General John Ashcroft to try to persuade him to give his authorization, as required by White House procedures for the program.

Officials with knowledge of the episode said that Mr. Ashcroft also appeared reluctant to sign on to the continued use of the program, and that Justice Department concerns appear to have led in part to the temporary suspension of the program for several months. Following a secret audit, new protocols were put in place at the N.S.A. to better determine how the agency established the targets of its eavesdropping operations, officials have said.

Asked today about internal opposition, President Bush said: "This program has been reviewed, constantly reviewed, by people throughout my administration. And it still is reviewed.

"Not only has it been reviewed by Justice Department officials, it's been reviewed by members of the United States Congress," he said. "It's a vital, necessary program."

But Senator Schumer, in an appearance on "Fox News Sunday," said the White House should have to explain the apparent internal dissent over the program.

"I hope the White House won't hide behind saying 'executive privilege, we can't discuss this'," Mr. Schumer said. "That's the wrong attitude. A discussion, perhaps a change in the law, those are all legitimate. Unilaterally changing the law because the vice president or president thinks it's wrong without discussing the change, that's not the American way."

But Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the second-ranking Republican in the Senate, said on the same television program that Mr. Bush had acted within the Constitution to protect the country from another terror attack. He said the focus now should be on identifying who had disclosed the existence of the classified operation.

The Justice Department said on Friday that it had opened an investigation into the disclosure of the N.S.A. program, which was first reported by The New York Times on Dec. 15. Mr. McConnell said of the public disclosure, "This needs to be investigated, because whoever leaked this information has done the U.S. and its national security a great disservice."

As President Bush continued to defend the program at his appearance in San Antonio, he was asked about a remark he made in Buffalo in 2004 at an appearance in support of the Patriot Act, in which he discussed government wiretaps.

"Any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap," Mr. Bush said at the appearance, "a wiretap requires a court order." He added: "Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so."

Democrats have seized on the remark, made more than two years after Mr. Bush authorized the N.S.A. to conduct warrantless wiretaps, in charging that the president had misled the public.

Asked about that today, Mr. Bush said: "I was talking about roving wiretaps, I believe, involved in the Patriot Act. This is different from the N.S.A. program.

"The N.S.A. program is a necessary program. I was elected to protect the American people from harm. And on Sept. 11, 2001, our nation was attacked. And after that day, I vowed to use all the resources at my disposal, within the law, to protect the American people, which is what I have been doing, and will continue to do."

Mr. Bush also emphasized that the program was "limited" in nature and designed to intercept communications from known associates of Al Qaeda to the United States. He said several times that the eavesdropping was "limited to calls from outside the United States to calls within the United States."

That assertion is at odds with press accounts and the public statements of his senior aides, who say that the authorization for the program requires that one end of a communication - either incoming or outgoing - be outside the United States. The White House, clarifying the president's remarks after his appearance, said later that either end of the communication can in fact be outside the United States.

Despite a prohibition on eavesdropping on phone calls or e-mail messages that are regarded as purely domestic, The Times has reported that the N.S.A. has accidentally intercepted what are thought to be a small number of communications in which both ends were on American soil, due to technical confusion over what constitutes an "international" call.

Officials also say that the N.S.A., beyond actual eavesdropping on up to 500 phone numbers and e-mail addresses at any one time, has conducted much larger data-mining operations on vast volumes of communication within the United States to identify possible terror suspects.

To accomplish this, the agency has reached agreements with major American telecommunications companies to gain access to some of the country's biggest "switches," carrying phone and e-mail traffic into and out of the country.


.............and the bushman continues to defend spying .....

One has to assume this is just fine by the US population as they are sure complacent and accepting of each new .......and crippling .......policy he comes up with.

sadly......... Good by America . as not sure how they can reverse what has been passed and set in motion.