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Silky,
many thanks for this treasure trove of new information. Now the plan is to keep this idea off the media screens by setting up a number of diversions. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see more scandals revealed just to keep the journalists busy and focusing on those juicy tidbits. The real issue is the motto of the CRF is, "Inch by inch, any things a cinch." And they are inching along right now. Us mad? Hell yes we're mad. they spend billions to bankroll this power play and we see our small businesses failing at an alarming rate, numbers of citizens without health care increasing and numerous criminal acts by the governing elite just get brushed off until someone gets mad and blows the whistle. Scooter had his fifteen minutes of fame. Now Gonzales and his crew are up. Who next? And while the monkey shines continue what is really going on behind those closed doors in DC where the NAU is being planned and discussed? We need some fly specks on the wall listening technology.
 

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Silky,
many thanks for this treasure trove of new information. Now the plan is to keep this idea off the media screens by setting up a number of diversions. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see more scandals revealed just to keep the journalists busy and focusing on those juicy tidbits. The real issue is the motto of the CRF is, "Inch by inch, any things a cinch." And they are inching along right now. Us mad? Hell yes we're mad. they spend billions to bankroll this power play and we see our small businesses failing at an alarming rate, numbers of citizens without health care increasing and numerous criminal acts by the governing elite just get brushed off until someone gets mad and blows the whistle. Scooter had his fifteen minutes of fame. Now Gonzales and his crew are up. Who next? And while the monkey shines continue what is really going on behind those closed doors in DC where the NAU is being planned and discussed? We need some fly specks on the wall listening technology.

darkbeaver: To bad more people haven't thought about the details before now, they're dank very dank.

Hey Guys:

Got more new tonight, I think the British troops that Iran picked up and detained was a false flag, if they weren't in Iran waters then why didn't the 16 troops defend themselves or the war ship they were scouting from why did it not rescue its own troops? ... I'm seeing this as a false flag, especially after reading a warning from Zbig:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/23/AR2007032301613_pf.html

Terrorized by 'War on Terror' How a Three-Word Mantra Has Undermined America
By Zbigniew Brzezinski
Sunday, March 25, 2007

I say this because Russia has leaked some news:

Operation Bite - April 6


By US Forces On Iran Planned
- Russian Military Sources Warn
General Ivashov Calls For Emergency Session Of
UN Security Council To Ward Off Looming US Aggression


By Webster G. Tarpley
3-25-7
http://www.rense.com/general75/bite.htm

(There are links at the bottom from news sources reporting ship movement and war games going on near Iran).

WASHINGTON DC -- The long awaited US military attack on Iran is now on track for the first week of April, specifically for 4 AM on April 6, the Good Friday opening of Easter weekend, writes the well-known Russian journalist Andrei Uglanov in the Moscow weekly "Argumenty Nedeli." Uglanov cites Russian military experts close to the Russian General Staff for his account.

The attack is slated to last for twelve hours, according to Uglanov, lasting from 4 AM until 4 PM local time. Friday is a holiday in Iran. In the course of the attack, code named Operation Bite, about 20 targets are marked for bombing; the list includes uranium enrichment facilities, research centers, and laboratories.

The first reactor at the Bushehr nuclear plant, where Russian engineers are working, is supposed to be spared from destruction. The US attack plan reportedly calls for the Iranian air defense system to be degraded, for numerous Iranian warships to be sunk in the Persian Gulf, and the for the most important headquarters of the Iranian armed forces to be wiped out.

The attacks will be mounted from a number of bases, including the island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean. Diego Garcia is currently home to B-52 bombers equipped with standoff missiles. Also participating in the air strikes will be US naval aviation from aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf, as well as from those of the Sixth Fleet in the Mediterranean. Additional cruise missiles will be fired from submarines in the Indian Ocean and off the coast of the Arabian peninsula. The goal is allegedly to set back Iran's nuclear program by several years, writes Uglanov, whose article was re-issued by RIA-Novosti in various languages, but apparently not English, several days ago. The story is the top item on numerous Italian and German blogs, but so far appears to have been ignored by US websites.

Observers comment that this dispatch represents a high-level orchestrated leak from the Kremlin, in effect a war warning, which draws on the formidable resources of the Russian intelligence services, and which deserves to be taken with the utmost seriousness by pro-peace forces around the world.

Asked by RIA-Novosti to comment on the Uglanov report, retired Colonel General Leonid Ivashov confirmed its essential features in a March 21 interview: "I have no doubt that there will be an operation, or more precisely a violent action against Iran." Ivashov, who has reportedly served at various times as an informal advisor to Putin, is currently the Vice President of the Moscow Academy for Geopolitical Sciences.

Ivashov attributed decisive importance to the decision of the Democratic leadership of the US House of Representatives to remove language from the just-passed Iraq supplemental military appropriations bill which would have demanded that Bush come to Congress before launching an attack on Iran. Ivashov pointed out that the language was eliminated under pressure from AIPAC, the lobbing group representing the Israeli extreme right, and of Israeli Foreign Minister Tsipi Livni.

"We have drawn the unmistakable conclusion that this operation will take place," said Ivashov. In his opinion, the US planning does not include a land operation: " Most probably there will be no ground attack, but rather massive air attacks with the goal of annihilating Iran's capacity for military resistance, the centers of administration, the key economic assets, and quite possibly the Iranian political leadership, or at least part of it," he continued.

Ivashov noted that it was not to be excluded that the Pentagon would use smaller tactical nuclear weapons against targets of the Iranian nuclear industry. These attacks could paralyze everyday life, create panic in the population, and generally produce an atmosphere of chaos and uncertainty all over Iran, Ivashov told RIA-Novosti. "This will unleash a struggle for power inside Iran, and then there will be a peace delegation sent in to install a pro-American government in Teheran," Ivashov continued. One of the US goals was, in his estimation, to burnish the image of the current Republican administration, who would now be able to boast that they had wiped out the Iranian nuclear program.

Among the other outcomes, General Ivashov pointed to a partition of Iran along the same lines as Iraq, and a subsequent carving up of the Near and Middle East into smaller regions. "This concept worked well for them in the Balkans and will now be applied to the greater Middle East," he commented.

"Moscow must expert Russia's influence by demanding an emergency session of the United Nations Security Council to deal with the current preparations for an illegal use of force against Iran and the destruction of the basis of the United Nations Charter," said General Ivashov. "In this context Russia could cooperate with China, France and the non-permanent members of the Security Council. We need this kind of preventive action to ward off the use of force," he concluded.


Think its getting exetremely ominous... lots of sword rattling, drills, and war games going on this week:

http://www3.whdh.com:80/news/articles/world/BO46645/

http://www3.whdh.com:80/news/articles/world/BO46994/

http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nati...9435610510.htm

http://www.pakistantimes.net/2007/03/23/top13.htm

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/...129781,00.html

http://news.gc.ca/cfmx/view/en/index...News+Releases&

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ne...ncl=1114687870

http://www.reuters.com/article/world...24318020070322

http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/newsroo..._e.asp?id=2226

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_5510248
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More links regarding 911 research ...

View some of the high profiles who are speaking out. Click the sections at the top of the page, there are about 300 professionals w/bios/photo, and a statement.

In Plane Site:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8585976043115686394&q=9/11+In+Plane+Sight

A look at the collapse of the WTC Towers and WTC 7 by scholars for 9/11 truth. To learn more about the 9/11 attacks, visit www.truth911.net
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4026073566596731782&q=improbable+collapse

The information highlight of the symposium was undoubtedly the Sunday morning panel discussion. The panel was a who’s who of the most credentialed 9/11 skeptics ever impaneled. It was moderated by Alex Jones who set the stage and pushed the envelope from his first statement; this seemed to energize the crowd as well as the panel members. The fact that C-Span had agreed to film this event had the panel chomping at the bit to hit bullet point after bullet point
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4258946892514662399&q=9/11+-+listen

Throughout this incredible video, enhanced with forceful images and video segments, Griffin details nine of the most commonly held myths and misconceptions about the events surrounding 9/11 and with logical precision proves the fallacies of each one.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-275577066688213413&q=9/11+-+listen

This pioneering, groundbreaking expose of 9-11, now two years old, painted a stark and accurate picture of our world today and TOMMORROW. Mike's new introduction "connects the dots.
"http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8797525979024486145&q=9%2F11%2B-%2Blisten

( Mike Ruppert is now in Canada, I think "they" tried to ruin him)

Will post more later, I have about 500 sites, really need to do some cataloging.
 

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Thanks for these great pieces of information. I have always felt that the vilification of Iran was (just like the actions preceeding the Iraq attack) were scripted and set up to lead unsuspecting citizens to believe that Iran is really a threat to the any North American security. The concerns voiced are unsubstantiated and now the US has agin manipulated the UN forums into taking some actions against Iran too. I sure do hope and pray that the Russian journalist is wrong but I'm not too hopeful. This would be a real mistake just like the last one they (Bush Administration) made. The US military machine can't even supply itself correctly. I reside next to a large US Air Force logistic command base and the constant activities involving the use of contracted foreign transport aircraft is amazing. Aeroflot and Brasilia freighters are coming and going daily. Even DHL is in the mix. The people I know who are active military are really concerned about the lack of depth in their ranks and they are all tired. The point you make about the lack of resistance by the British leads me to believe a miscalculation may have been made and they were truly in Iranian waters. I've been to the area and I have to admit that knowing whose waters one is in exactly in very confusing in that part of the Persian Gulf. Lets keep our fingers crossed that the insanity being shwn by the White House doesn't keep on. The US Attorney General doings I believe is a smoke screen to mask other more important happenings in this world we all have to coexist in.
 

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Not to worry. When the americans find out they'll have to back medicare and bilingualism, they'll drop the idea.
 

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AndyF Not to worry. When the americans find out they'll have to back medicare and bilingualism, they'll drop the idea.
Andy: I'm starting to think most doen't even care at this point, half seem to be brain dead or don't want to be bothered. They think if it doesn't appear in the papers nor on TV it doesn't exist, truth is the press knows about all of this, however, is not talking about it because the media is owned by the mogols that are members of CFR.
Do yourself a favor and read all the updates on the link below and hit the embedded links within the article:

Bush Administration Fast-Tracks Formation of North American Union:

http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/ameri...s_formation.htm


Lets keep our fingers crossed that the insanity being shwn by the White House doesn't keep on.
Yes I hope you're right Norm. Also came across another video you will enjoy about the NWO from a New Zealand/Austrailian:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5133271006583487659

Cheers :wave:
 

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Also, I forgot to post some more news on 911. There is another forum I post on Pilotsfor911Truth.org and it is a great group of professional people who are researching the aviation part of 911 (my husband is a retired Capt. from a major airline in the US).

Anyway, the organization filed a request from the FOIA about the Flight Data Recorder of flt. 77 that "alledeg" hit the Pentagon, the data from the FDR doesn't match the same path as the evidence of the downed light poles that the A/C "whatever" hit the Pentagon. This is BIG. If you go to the site they have a video of a simulation of the flt. path vs. the the downed light poles, just hit the big black box that says Pandora's Black Box and it will take you to the vid. Below is the press release:



Official Account of 9/11 Flight 77 Contradicted by Government's Own Data
Monday, March 26 2007 02:07 PM PDT

Pilots for 9/11 Truth, an ad-hock international organization of pilots and aviation professionals, petitioned the National Transportation and Safety Board (NTSB) via the Freedom of Information Act to obtain their 2002 report, "Flight Path Study-American Airlines Flight 77", consisting of a Comma Separated Value (CSV) file and Flight Path Animation, allegedly derived from Flight 77's Flight Data Recorder (FDR). The 9/11 Commission relied heavily upon and frequently sited the NTSB Flight Path Study in their Final Report. In August, 2006, members of Pilots for 9/11 Truth received these documents from the NTSB and began a close analysis of the data they contain. After expert review and cross check, Pilots for 9/11 Truth has concluded that the information in these NTSB documents does not support, and in some instances factually contradicts, the official government position that American Airlines Flight 77 struck the Pentagon on the morning of September 11, 2001.

1) Altitude data from the FDR shows the aircraft on a different heading and at least 300 feet too high to have struck the light poles along Highway 37 moments before striking the Pentagon.

2) The rate of descent data is in direct conflict with the aircraft being able to impact the light poles and be captured in the Dept of Defense "5 Frames" video of an aircraft traveling nearly parallel with the Pentagon lawn.

3) The FDR record of data stops at least one second prior to official impact time, thus omitting crucial, final moment impact data.

4) If data trends are continued from the last recorded, the aircraft altitude would have been at least 100 feet too high to have hit the Pentagon, even if it were on the correct path to also hit the light poles.

Pilots for 9/11 Truth takes no position on what actually happened at the Pentagon on 9/11. However, the physical evidence of knocked down light poles, which clearly indicates the flight path of the aircraft that struck the Pentagon within a range of one degree or so, the damage trajectory within the Pentagon, and the FDR data provided by the NTSB, are mutually exclusive. Both sets of information can not be true or correct. Either the FDR data upon which the NTSB Flight Path Study was based is false or there was a second aircraft that impacted the light poles and the Pentagon or the knocked-down light poles were staged or some combination of the above need to be true to reconcile these contradictions. In either case what we have is government released evidence which does not factually support the conclusions drawn by the 9/11 Commission or the commonly held understanding of what happened at the Pentagon on September 11, 2001.

An excellent lecture, summery and slide presentation by Calum Douglas, an engineering student at Oxford Brookes University and member of pilotsfor911truth.org was just put up on google video. The presentation is about an hour and a half long and covers the history of how the NTSB Flight Path animation, ".CSV" file and the raw data ".FDR" file were acquired and subsequently came to be decoded. Within the raw ".FDR" file is the "radio altitude" of Flight 77 one second prior to impact. This radio altitude is "absolute" altitude information in that it comes directly from the radar sensors aboard the aircraft receiving its own transmissions reflected from the ground. At time point 38:15 through 39:05 of the video presentation, Mr Duglas states: ". . . (the Flight Data Recorder raw data spread sheet) goes on and on for thousands and thousands of cells. The end is very interesting. Here we've got radio altitude. And the last element, radio altitude, is 273 feet. So, according to this raw data read out, after take off, fight 77 never went below 273 feet. Now, I don't think you need to be an engineer to ask yourself, how something 273 feet above the ground hit a building seventy feet tall after hitting five light polls 40 feet tall. It's not possible. It's not possible."

This video presentation can be found here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=55...993755&hl=en-GB

Pilots for 9/11 Truth is committed to discovering the truth surrounding the events of September 11, 2001. We have contacted both the NTSB and the FBI regarding these and other inconsistencies. To date, they have refused to comment on, correct, refute, retract or offer side-letters that might explain the discrepancies between what they claim are the data extracted from the FDR of AA Flight 77 and the physical evidence which underscores the official story alleging its crash into the Pentagon.

As concerned citizens and professionals in the aviation industry, Pilots for 9/11 Truth asks, why have these discrepancies not been addressed by agencies within the United States Government? Why have they falsely represented their own data to the American people? Pilots for 9/11 Truth takes the position that an official government inquiry into these discrepancies is warranted and long overdue. We call upon Congressman Kucinich and our fellow citizens to call for an immediate investigation into this matter.

For more information please visit Pilots for 9/11 Truth: http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org.
 

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The bunch in Washington has been masterful at controlling what the media is focusing on. Most of the political actions being investigated are more pleasant to address than their unsuccessful war in Iraq. The CFR operations own the US media sources and the only things discussed are what is deemed by the boss to be acceptable. In that business if you don't follow orders you are looking for employment elsewhere. Right now the newest approach by the CFR is name and acronym changes trying to get it all off the table. The Meixicans are now setting up some prerequisites for the conditions that they participate and it isn't well accepted by the US representatives. I hope the Canadians will be invited to join in soon. That won't happen until all involved agree on who gets sold out, who gets sold down the river and who is left with nothing but memories of how life used to be when there was food on the table.
 

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Just came across a book announcement by: Dr. David Ray Griffin is also a prominent theologian. He already has 4 books regarding 911, and the following is announcing his 5th

Subject: There's no wiggling out of this one.

Former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration, Paul Craig Roberts, reviews David Ray Griffin’s new book, Debunking 9/11 Debunking...



9/11 and the Evidence

By Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.911blogger.com/node/7262
March 26, 2007

“The self-cleaning ovens in our home kitchens reach temperatures higher than this, and the ovens do not melt or deform...”
“Contradictions in the official conspiracy theory leap off the pages and hit the reader in the face...”


Professor David Ray Griffin is the nemesis of the official 9/11 conspiracy theory. In his latest book, Debunking 9/11 Debunking, Griffin destroys the credibility of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) and Popular Mechanics reports, annihilates his critics, and proves himself to be a better scientist and engineer than the defenders of the official story.

Griffin’s book is 385 pages divided into four chapters and containing 1,209 footnotes. Without question, the book is the most thorough presentation and examination of all known facts about the 9/11 attacks. Griffin is a person who is sensitive to evidence, logic, and scientific reasoning. There is no counterpart on the official side of the story who is as fully informed on all aspects of the attacks as Griffin.

At the outset, Griffin points out that the reader’s choice is between two conspiracy theories: One is that Muslim fanatics, who were not qualified to fly airplanes, defeated the security apparatus of the US and succeeded in three out of four attacks using passenger jets as weapons. The other is that security failed across the board, not merely partially but totally, because of complicity of some part of the US government.

Griffin points out that there has been no independent investigation of 9/11. What we have are a report by a political commission headed by Bush administration factotum Philip Zelikow, a NIST report produced by the Bush administration’s Department of Commerce, and a journalistic account produced by Popular Mechanics. Various scientists who work for the federal government or are dependent on government grants have issued speculative statements in behalf of the official conspiracy theory, but have not produced meaningful evidence in its behalf.

The relevant skeptics of the official story are approximately 100 independent researchers consisting of experts and professors whose careers have required them to deal with evidence and its analysis. Their individual contributions to 9/11 analysis can be found online.

Griffin has undertaken to absorb the arguments and evidence for the official account and the arguments and evidence against it. In his latest book, which has just been released, he presents the case for the official account and its evidential failure.

Polls show that 36% of Americans do not believe the official story. Setting aside the 25% of the public that is so uninformed or uninvolved as to believe that Saddam Hussein was responsible for the 9/11 attack, leaves 39% of the public who believe the official story. However, this 39% is essentially relying on the mainstream media’s endorsement of the official story. Griffin believes, perhaps naively, that truth can prevail, and it is his commitment to truth that has motivated him to shoulder the enormous task.

Everyone who believes in the integrity of the US government or the Bush administration will find Griffin’s book to be disturbing. Readers will have to confront such issues as why US authorities seized the forensic evidence resulting from the destruction of the three World Trade Center buildings, the attack on the Pentagon and the crashed airliner in Pennsylvania and prevented any forensic examination of any part of the 9/11 attacks.

Despite widespread belief that Osama bin Laden was responsible for the attack, the evidence we have is a suspect video declared to be "bogus" by Bruce Lawrence, perhaps the leading American expert on bin Laden. The US government has never produced the promised report on bin Laden’s responsibility. When the Taliban offered to hand over bin Laden on presentation of evidence, the US government had no evidence to deliver; thus the invasion of Afghanistan.

The fragility of the NIST report is astonishing. The report succeeded because people accepted its assurances without examination.

Griffin shows that the Popular Mechanics report consists of special pleading, circular reasoning, appeals to the authority of the NIST report, straw men, and internal contradictions in the report itself.

There is not space in a review to present the evidence Griffin has mustered. A few highlights should suffice to alert readers to the possibility that the Bush administration has lied about more than Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction.

The two WTC towers did not collapse. They blew up and disintegrated, as did WTC 7. There is an enormous energy deficit in every account that rules out the use of explosives. Gravitational energy is insufficient to explain the pulverization of the buildings and contents and the severing of the 47 massive center core steel columns in each of the towers into convenient lengths to be picked up and loaded onto trucks; much less can gravitational energy account for the pulverization of the top floors of the towers and ejection of steel beams hundreds of feet horizontally just prior to the disintegration of the floors below.

Damage caused by airliners and short-lived limited fires cannot explain the disintegration of the buildings. The massive steel skeletons of the towers comprised a gigantic heat sink that wicked away whatever heat the limited fires produced.

NIST’s final report stated that of the steel available to it for examination, "only three columns had evidence that the steel reached temperatures above 250 degrees Celsius" (482 degrees Fahrenheit). The self-cleaning ovens in our home kitchens reach temperatures higher than this, and the ovens do not melt or deform.

Steel begins to melt at 1,500 degrees C or 2,800 degrees F. Temperatures of 250 degrees C would have no effect on the strength of steel. The explanation that the buildings collapsed because fire weakened the steel is speculative. Open air fires do not produce temperatures sufficient to deprive steel of its structural integrity. Steel framed buildings have burned 22 hours in raging infernos, and the steel skeletons remained standing. The WTC fires in the towers lasted about one hour and were limited to a few floors. Moreover, it is impossible for fire to account for the sudden, total and symmetrical disintegration of powerfully constructed buildings, much less at free fall speeds that are obtainable only with controlled demolition.

Griffin provides quotes from firefighters, police, and tenants, who heard and experienced a series of explosions prior to the disintegration of the towers. Such witness testimony is generally ignored by defenders of the official conspiracy theory.

Molten steel was found in underground levels of the WTC buildings weeks after the buildings’ destruction. As everyone agrees that the fires did not approach the melting point of steel, a possible explanation is high explosives used in demolitions that produce 5,000 degree temperatures. The possibility that explosives were used remains unexamined except by independent researchers.

Contradictions in the official conspiracy theory leap off the pages and hit the reader in the face. For example, the evidence that Flight 77, a Boeing 757, crashed into the Pentagon is the government’s claim to have obtained from the wreckage enough bodies and body parts to match the DNA for each person on the passenger list and flight crew. Simultaneously, the absence of passenger luggage, fuselage, wing and tail sections--indeed the absence of a 200,000 pound airliner--is attributed to the vaporization of the airplane due to the high speed crash and intense fire. The incompatibility of vaporized metal but recovered flesh and blood stood unnoticed until Griffin pointed it out.

Another striking inconsistency in the official conspiracy theory is the difference in the impact of airliners on the Pentagon and the WTC towers. In the case of the Pentagon, the emphasis is on why the airliner caused so little damage to the building. In the case of the WTC towers, the emphasis is why the airliners caused so much damage.

Perhaps it is merely a coincidence that just prior to 9/11 Cathleen P. Black, who has family connections to the CIA and Pentagon and is president of Hearst Magazines, the owner of Popular Mechanics, fired the magazine’s editor-in-chief and several senior veteran staff members and installed James B. Meigs and Benjamin Chertoff, a cousin of Bush administration factotum Michael Chertoff. It was Meigs and Benjamin Chertoff who produced the Popular Mechanics report that Griffin has eviscerated.

In his conclusion Griffin reminds us that the 9/11 attack has been used to start wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, to plan an attack on Iran, to curtail constitutional protections and civil liberties in the US, to radically expand US military budgets and the power of the executive, and to enrich entrenched vested interests. Griffin is definitely correct about this regardless of whether a believable case can ever be made for the government’s version of the 9/11 conspiracy.
 

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http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/#Loftus

I posted the above link a few days ago, however, today someone mentioned it wasn't working so will repost, because of it's importance re: professionals calling for a new unbias investigation (including members from the 911 Commission).

The other link that failed on posting is a lecture from Mike Ruppert investigator . This pioneering, groundbreaking expose of 9-11, now two years old, painted a stark and accurate picture of our world today and TOMMORROW. Mike's new introduction "connects the dots. (they have tried to destroy him)

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8797525979024486145&q=9/11+-+listen
 

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Silky,
You've got me busy but these are more information feasts for us. I have two for you to just keep in mind. One is www.globalincidentmap.com/home.php and it changes by the minute. Wnat to locate a caller? Trey www.sat-gps-locate.com. It also tracks cell phone locations. Now down to the business of the North American Cooperative Security Agreement. I haven't found one occasion where the Lugar sponsored and introduced US Se. bill ever made it out of any Committee. Furhter, I called my Congreessman and he tells me the bill in Congress to support the Lugar is now stalled for the rest of this Legislative period but he too is concerned. he told me decisions and agreements are being made weekly at the Whiote House and signed by administration officials with any thought to run any of those agreements past the Congress. It sure doesn't pass the smell test to me and when the names of the idea keep changing all I see is the CFR trying to put more lipstick on the pig. They are attempting to get as much information about this topic out of the public eye. I look for more big diversions soon. I'll bet the Iranian issue is one of them. Our collective and resourcefulness in this forum is what is being monitored daily by their assigned persons. I'll bet our messages are on someone's table within minutes after we post our messages. Norm
 

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Hi Norm:
Thanks for the links, tried the globalincident site, don't know if I should take that serious or not, the US is lite up like a christmas tree, Russia, Australia, and Canada looked sleepy and bored lol.

I probably won't be back to this board for a while, why don't you drop by at PFT
 

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This must be the PARANOIDS ONLY thread! :lol:

Yeah lets cut and paste massive amounts of conspiracy text and we will be considered right. You guys post so much stuff that it even contradicts OTHER conspiracy hobbiest text. And yes, I do consider 9/11 Conspiracists as 9/11 Hobbyists.

But the one thing you haven't done was give a clear and consise depiction of what actually happened that day and the days (or months, or years according to some) leading up to 9/11.

So lets not talk of what this guy said about steel temps. Lets talk logistics and formulate a step by step of what happened and who did it.
 

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Smack: The point is we need a new investigation, a real one at this point, because the "orginial" one is a sham.

The story is huge and long, needing further study by an objective panel with nothing to hide. Do I know all the fact, certainly not, won't fall for your game. However, I find the more information that comes forth the more questions need answers, the deeper I go researching this the darker and danker it becomes.

So if you would perfer some detailed timelines please visit:

http://cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project
http://www.patriotresource.com/wtc/timeline/sept11.html

Then get back to me. I perfer the high road if you don't mind, rather than first try with the "put downs" to defame character of someone who has a different view than yours ... it's an old trick and I won't fall for it.
 

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Smack: The point is we need a new investigation, a real one at this point, because the "orginial" one is a sham.

The story is huge and long, needing further study by an objective panel with nothing to hide. Do I know all the fact, certainly not, won't fall for your game. However, I find the more information that comes forth the more questions need answers, the deeper I go researching this the darker and danker it becomes.

So if you would perfer some detailed timelines please visit:

http://cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project
http://www.patriotresource.com/wtc/timeline/sept11.html

Then get back to me. I perfer the high road if you don't mind, rather than first try with the "put downs" to defame character of someone who has a different view than yours ... it's an old trick and I won't fall for it.

No No No... I have read TONS of conspiracy documents. Tons of it. Some of the conspiracies are counter to other conspiracies. There is not one that says what really happened. There is not one that looks at it logically.

Did planes fly into the WTC?

Where is Flt. 77? if a missile hit the Pentagon Flt. 77 has to be somewhere? Am I right?

Where is Flt. 77? Tell me? Where?
 

EagleSmack

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Smack: The point is we need a new investigation, a real one at this point, because the "orginial" one is a sham.

The story is huge and long, needing further study by an objective panel with nothing to hide. Do I know all the fact, certainly not, won't fall for your game. However, I find the more information that comes forth the more questions need answers, the deeper I go researching this the darker and danker it becomes.

So if you would perfer some detailed timelines please visit:

http://cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project
http://www.patriotresource.com/wtc/timeline/sept11.html

Then get back to me. I perfer the high road if you don't mind, rather than first try with the "put downs" to defame character of someone who has a different view than yours ... it's an old trick and I won't fall for it.

Just to humor myself I read the timelines of Flt. 77. I didn't see anything about a missile. Basically it is critique of mismanagement and confusion. I think we all can agree there was confusion. I also see the accounted for all of the hijackers boarding the planes... none missing...none still alive.

That is why I say the 9/11 Conspiracy Hobbists can't come up with one solid explanation of what really happened.

Missiles, implosions where the planes struck, implosions in the basements, WTC 7 being the real target of Flt. 93, Flt. 77 landing safely in the midwest... they are all over the place.
 

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I just wrote several paragraphs to say basically there is no airtight facts and when trying to lookup the spelling of a word lost it all in the browser.

Your are right, there are many theories presented, which one fits will be left up to real research and disclosure in the coming years. My comment the other day about 93 was a personal game of puzzle piece parts. It appears that 93 had a target and was aborted or the passengers helped bring it down, what's left is wtc7 still wired and loaded, that was just a 2+2=4 analysis. 77 is a big question still and there are some aviators who are working on the evidence of struck light poles and what the flight data (given to them by the govt.) states, there is conflicting evidence and the Pentagon refuses to answer the pilots questions.

You have to understand that the government has tried to block inqueries at every request, by doing so people have to piece this together on their own as volunteers. Thanks for clarifying your statement.