Buncha natives and casual agitators gettin' hosed
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And just who are these protestors? We are led to believe that they are Standing Rock Sioux but Robert Fool Bear's own words about where the protestors are coming from gives me reason to think otherwise. Professional activists and protestors are the order of the day no matter the cause, no matter the country you will find them ready and willing to add their own bit of personal mayhem to the occasion.
I suspect were the truth ever to come out, we would find that the vast majority of those gathered there are not members of the local community.
I'm sure that in any situation, there are a percentage that will disagree on anything. So what? Do yo have any idea what this pipeline means to the 16 million people who live downstream from it? It will leak. It will contaminate their water supply, not just the Standing Rock reservation. Besides, that is not what this is really about.
I concur. That being said, cliffy is an expert in injun matters being that he is an honorary member of the injun nations.
Man I wish I had your crystal ball Cliffy............then again maybe not if this is what it is telling you.
Post your stats showing that modern pipeline design and maintenance is more prone to leaks and spills than truck tanker or rail tanker.
What the Dakota Access Pipeline Protesters Aren’t Telling You
With the help of celebrities and professional activists, protests against the Dakota Access Pipeline in North Dakota have attracted international attention. The shouting and violence have drawn sympathy from people who are hearing only one side of the story — the one told by activists. Were the full story to be heard, much, if not all, of that sympathy would vanish.
The activists tell an emotionally-charged tale of greed, racism, and misbehavior by corporate and government officials. But the real story of the Dakota Access Pipeline was revealed in court documents in September, and it is nothing like the activists’ tale. In fact, it is the complete opposite.
The record shows that Energy Transfer Partners, the company building the pipeline, spent years working diligently with federal, state, and local officials to route the pipeline safely and with the fewest possible disruptions. The contrast between the protesters’ claims and the facts on record is stunning.
Protesters claim that the pipeline was “fast-tracked,” denying tribal leaders the opportunity to participate in the process. In fact, project leaders participated in 559 meetings with community leaders, local officials, and organizations to listen to concerns and fine-tune the route. The company asked for, and received, a tougher federal permitting process at sites along the Missouri River. This more difficult procedure included a mandated review of each water crossing’s potential impact on historical artifacts and locations.
Protesters claim that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers failed to consult tribal leaders as required by federal law. The record shows that the corps held 389 meetings with 55 tribes. Corps officials met numerous times with leaders of the Standing Rock Sioux tribe, which initiated the lawsuit and the protests.
Protesters claim that the Standing Rock Sioux pursued meetings with an unresponsive Army Corps of Engineers. Court records show that the roles in that story were in fact reversed. The corps alerted the tribe to the pipeline permit application in the fall of 2014 and repeatedly requested comments from and meetings with tribal leaders only to be rebuffed over and over again. Tribal leaders ignored requests for comment and canceled meetings multiple times.
In September of 2014 alone, the corps made five unsuccessful attempts to meet with Standing Rock Sioux leaders. The next month, a meeting was arranged, but “when the Corps timely arrived for the meeting, Tribal Chairman David Archambault told them that the conclave had started earlier than planned and had already ended,” according to a federal judge. At a planned meeting the next month, the tribe took the pipeline off the agenda and refused to discuss it. This stonewalling by tribal leaders continued for a year and a half.
Typical of the misinformation spread during the protests is a comment made by Jesse Jackson, who recently joined the activists in North Dakota. He said the decision to reroute the pipeline so that it crossed close to the Standing Rock Sioux tribe’s water intake was “racism.”
The pipeline route was adjusted based on concerns expressed by locals — including other tribal leaders — who met with company and Army Corps of Engineers officials. The court record reveals that the Standing Rock Sioux refused to meet with corps officials to discuss the route until after site work had begun. That work is now 77 percent completed at a cost of $3 billion.
In response to a lawsuit filed by the Standing Rock Sioux, the court documented “dozens of attempts” by the corps to consult with the tribe. It documented the legal and proper approval process the corps used to permit all of the contested construction sites the tribe claimed were improperly permitted. It even documented evidence that the corps had exceeded the minimum legal requirements during its earnest and lengthy efforts to receive the input of tribal leaders on the pipeline.
Pipeline protesters may have a tight grip on media coverage of the pipeline, but they have a demonstrably loose grip on the facts. The truth — as documented not by the company but by the federal court system is that pipeline approvals were not rushed, permits were not granted illegally, and tribal leaders were not excluded. These are proven facts upheld by two federal courts.
If only this side of the story were getting the same attention as the other side. Perhaps judges should start announcing their rulings by megaphone while standing beside a few media-attracting celebrities.
What the Dakota Access Pipeline Protesters Aren’t Telling You – InsideSources
The Fort Laramie Treaty of 1868
ARTICLE XI.
In consideration of the advantages and benefits conferred by this treaty and the many pledges of friendship by the United States, the tribes who are parties to this agreement hereby stipulate that they will relinquish all right to occupy permanently the territory outside their reservations as herein defined, but yet reserve the right to hunt on any lands north of North Platte, and on the Republican Fork of the Smoky Hill river, so long as the buffalo may range thereon in such numbers as to justify the chase. And they, the said Indians, further expressly agree:
1st. That they will withdraw all opposition to the construction of the railroads now being built on the plains.
2d. That they will permit the peaceful construction of any railroad not passing over their reservation as herein defined.
3d. That they will not attack any persons at home, or travelling, nor molest or disturb any wagon trains, coaches, mules, or cattle belonging to the people of the United States, or to persons friendly therewith.
4th. They will never capture, or carry off from the settlements, white women or children.
5th. They will never kill or scalp white men, nor attempt to do them harm.
6th. They withdraw all pretence of opposition to the construction of the railroad now being built along the Platte river and westward to the Pacific ocean, and they will not in future object to the construction of railroads, wagon roads, mail stations, or other works of utility or necessity, which may be ordered or permitted by the laws of the United States. But should such roads or other works be constructed on the lands of their reservation, the government will pay the tribe whatever amount of damage may be assessed by three disinterested commissioners to be appointed by the President for that purpose, one of the said commissioners to be a chief or headman of the tribe.
PBS - THE WEST - The Fort Laramie Treaty 1868
With the help of celebrities and professional activists, protests against the Dakota Access Pipeline in North Dakota have attracted international attention. The shouting and violence have drawn sympathy from people who are hearing only one side of the story — the one told by activists. Were the full story to be heard, much, if not all, of that sympathy would vanish.
The activists tell an emotionally-charged tale of greed, racism, and misbehavior by corporate and government officials. But the real story of the Dakota Access Pipeline was revealed in court documents in September, and it is nothing like the activists’ tale. In fact, it is the complete opposite.
The record shows that Energy Transfer Partners, the company building the pipeline, spent years working diligently with federal, state, and local officials to route the pipeline safely and with the fewest possible disruptions. The contrast between the protesters’ claims and the facts on record is stunning.
Protesters claim that the pipeline was “fast-tracked,” denying tribal leaders the opportunity to participate in the process. In fact, project leaders participated in 559 meetings with community leaders, local officials, and organizations to listen to concerns and fine-tune the route. The company asked for, and received, a tougher federal permitting process at sites along the Missouri River. This more difficult procedure included a mandated review of each water crossing’s potential impact on historical artifacts and locations.
Protesters claim that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers failed to consult tribal leaders as required by federal law. The record shows that the corps held 389 meetings with 55 tribes. Corps officials met numerous times with leaders of the Standing Rock Sioux tribe, which initiated the lawsuit and the protests.
Protesters claim that the Standing Rock Sioux pursued meetings with an unresponsive Army Corps of Engineers. Court records show that the roles in that story were in fact reversed. The corps alerted the tribe to the pipeline permit application in the fall of 2014 and repeatedly requested comments from and meetings with tribal leaders only to be rebuffed over and over again. Tribal leaders ignored requests for comment and canceled meetings multiple times.
In September of 2014 alone, the corps made five unsuccessful attempts to meet with Standing Rock Sioux leaders. The next month, a meeting was arranged, but “when the Corps timely arrived for the meeting, Tribal Chairman David Archambault told them that the conclave had started earlier than planned and had already ended,” according to a federal judge. At a planned meeting the next month, the tribe took the pipeline off the agenda and refused to discuss it. This stonewalling by tribal leaders continued for a year and a half.
Typical of the misinformation spread during the protests is a comment made by Jesse Jackson, who recently joined the activists in North Dakota. He said the decision to reroute the pipeline so that it crossed close to the Standing Rock Sioux tribe’s water intake was “racism.”
The pipeline route was adjusted based on concerns expressed by locals — including other tribal leaders — who met with company and Army Corps of Engineers officials. The court record reveals that the Standing Rock Sioux refused to meet with corps officials to discuss the route until after site work had begun. That work is now 77 percent completed at a cost of $3 billion.
In response to a lawsuit filed by the Standing Rock Sioux, the court documented “dozens of attempts” by the corps to consult with the tribe. It documented the legal and proper approval process the corps used to permit all of the contested construction sites the tribe claimed were improperly permitted. It even documented evidence that the corps had exceeded the minimum legal requirements during its earnest and lengthy efforts to receive the input of tribal leaders on the pipeline.
Pipeline protesters may have a tight grip on media coverage of the pipeline, but they have a demonstrably loose grip on the facts. The truth — as documented not by the company but by the federal court system is that pipeline approvals were not rushed, permits were not granted illegally, and tribal leaders were not excluded. These are proven facts upheld by two federal courts.
If only this side of the story were getting the same attention as the other side. Perhaps judges should start announcing their rulings by megaphone while standing beside a few media-attracting celebrities.
What the Dakota Access Pipeline Protesters Aren’t Telling You – InsideSources
The Fort Laramie Treaty of 1868
ARTICLE XI.
In consideration of the advantages and benefits conferred by this treaty and the many pledges of friendship by the United States, the tribes who are parties to this agreement hereby stipulate that they will relinquish all right to occupy permanently the territory outside their reservations as herein defined, but yet reserve the right to hunt on any lands north of North Platte, and on the Republican Fork of the Smoky Hill river, so long as the buffalo may range thereon in such numbers as to justify the chase. And they, the said Indians, further expressly agree:
1st. That they will withdraw all opposition to the construction of the railroads now being built on the plains.
2d. That they will permit the peaceful construction of any railroad not passing over their reservation as herein defined.
3d. That they will not attack any persons at home, or travelling, nor molest or disturb any wagon trains, coaches, mules, or cattle belonging to the people of the United States, or to persons friendly therewith.
4th. They will never capture, or carry off from the settlements, white women or children.
5th. They will never kill or scalp white men, nor attempt to do them harm.
6th. They withdraw all pretence of opposition to the construction of the railroad now being built along the Platte river and westward to the Pacific ocean, and they will not in future object to the construction of railroads, wagon roads, mail stations, or other works of utility or necessity, which may be ordered or permitted by the laws of the United States. But should such roads or other works be constructed on the lands of their reservation, the government will pay the tribe whatever amount of damage may be assessed by three disinterested commissioners to be appointed by the President for that purpose, one of the said commissioners to be a chief or headman of the tribe.
PBS - THE WEST - The Fort Laramie Treaty 1868
Questions Arise Over Standing Rock Protestors Use Of Funds
In North Dakota, winter is coming. This has been a reason to push for more funding for the 700-some protesters remaining at the Standing Rock Reservation near Cannon Ball, North Dakota. The group, which first gathered in April to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline, is increasing its calls for aid as the weather gets colder. The calls for supplies come even after the group has received millions of dollars of donations online, as well as donated supplies from a variety of groups. As the camp has grown in size, area residents have come to see the camp as a drain on local resources. Ranchers have complained that they have had cattle stolen and butchered, and one went on local radio to accuse the protesters of emptying the food banks in Mandan, N.D. from the people who really need the extra help.
The protests and the camp are funded through private donations. The bulk of these are funneled through campaigns set up by the camp itself–with one aiming to raise money for a legal defense fund, and another solely dedicated to the camp’s operating costs.
On FundRazr, the legal defense fund for the camp has raised some $518,000 out of its goal of $750,000.
Meanwhile, a gofundme campaign to cover the camp’s operating costs is seeking to raise $1 million and has already received pledges for more than $800,000. Despite the outpouring of support, an update from October 20 says that the group lacks many cold weather supplies. “We, are lacking much -we (sic) need more wood and shelters and food supplies,” the update reads, before going on to request bales of hay for windbreaks, California sage, and “tarps for the sweat lodge.”
In regular updates to the fundraising site, the group stressed that additional funds were still needed to prepare for the coming cold and stressed that it was the only official Standing Rock gofundme campaign.
This is true. However, a quick search of the site brings up dozens of other campaigns started by supporters of the movement in order to raise funds for supplies.
If anything, the Dakota Access Pipeline protesters are flush, and have received substantial donations both directly and through several different crowdfunding sites. Since April, a series of more than 200 such online campaigns has raised more than $2 million on behalf of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe and other groups fighting the pipeline project.
And this total includes only the funds raised through the gofundme site. The camp also directs supports to give money directly through PayPal, which does not post totals of the donations received.
Additionally, the camp asks for and receives gifts of supplies. In September, Greenpeace hosted supply drives for the camp in ten cities. The Los Angeles drive alone sent four carloads of supplies, including blankets, tents, and sleeping bags. A non-profit disaster relief organization known as the Rainbow Rapid Response Fund sent the camp a 12-burner stove it had previously sent to Hurricane Katrina disaster relief efforts.
Although the camp pleads want, donors, including the North Dakota’s Homeland Security Division have complained that donated materials are wasted. DHS, which had provided the camp with trailers and water tanks, pulled the materials in late August after vandalism by protesters. Other groups found that donations come in excess and are ruined. NBC reported recently that the camp had been “inundated” with clothing donations, receiving so much clothing that some of it was ruined due to rot and wet without being used at all.
Rather than a shortage of funds, the camp’s wants seem to stem, at least in part, from the extensive “earmarks” put on donated dollars. Rather than funding the camp’s general operation, campaign founders instead opted to specialize their requests, leading to such requests as raising $650 to send firewood to the camp, and $1,985 to send a team of acupuncturists from Brooklyn to Standing Rock.
As the camp posts repeated pleas for more supplies, it appears to be sitting on a significant amount of cash that may leave many donors questioning the urgency of their funds.
Questions Arise Over Standing Rock Protesters' Use of Funds – InsideSources
In North Dakota, winter is coming. This has been a reason to push for more funding for the 700-some protesters remaining at the Standing Rock Reservation near Cannon Ball, North Dakota. The group, which first gathered in April to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline, is increasing its calls for aid as the weather gets colder. The calls for supplies come even after the group has received millions of dollars of donations online, as well as donated supplies from a variety of groups. As the camp has grown in size, area residents have come to see the camp as a drain on local resources. Ranchers have complained that they have had cattle stolen and butchered, and one went on local radio to accuse the protesters of emptying the food banks in Mandan, N.D. from the people who really need the extra help.
The protests and the camp are funded through private donations. The bulk of these are funneled through campaigns set up by the camp itself–with one aiming to raise money for a legal defense fund, and another solely dedicated to the camp’s operating costs.
On FundRazr, the legal defense fund for the camp has raised some $518,000 out of its goal of $750,000.
Meanwhile, a gofundme campaign to cover the camp’s operating costs is seeking to raise $1 million and has already received pledges for more than $800,000. Despite the outpouring of support, an update from October 20 says that the group lacks many cold weather supplies. “We, are lacking much -we (sic) need more wood and shelters and food supplies,” the update reads, before going on to request bales of hay for windbreaks, California sage, and “tarps for the sweat lodge.”
In regular updates to the fundraising site, the group stressed that additional funds were still needed to prepare for the coming cold and stressed that it was the only official Standing Rock gofundme campaign.
This is true. However, a quick search of the site brings up dozens of other campaigns started by supporters of the movement in order to raise funds for supplies.
If anything, the Dakota Access Pipeline protesters are flush, and have received substantial donations both directly and through several different crowdfunding sites. Since April, a series of more than 200 such online campaigns has raised more than $2 million on behalf of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe and other groups fighting the pipeline project.
And this total includes only the funds raised through the gofundme site. The camp also directs supports to give money directly through PayPal, which does not post totals of the donations received.
Additionally, the camp asks for and receives gifts of supplies. In September, Greenpeace hosted supply drives for the camp in ten cities. The Los Angeles drive alone sent four carloads of supplies, including blankets, tents, and sleeping bags. A non-profit disaster relief organization known as the Rainbow Rapid Response Fund sent the camp a 12-burner stove it had previously sent to Hurricane Katrina disaster relief efforts.
Although the camp pleads want, donors, including the North Dakota’s Homeland Security Division have complained that donated materials are wasted. DHS, which had provided the camp with trailers and water tanks, pulled the materials in late August after vandalism by protesters. Other groups found that donations come in excess and are ruined. NBC reported recently that the camp had been “inundated” with clothing donations, receiving so much clothing that some of it was ruined due to rot and wet without being used at all.
Rather than a shortage of funds, the camp’s wants seem to stem, at least in part, from the extensive “earmarks” put on donated dollars. Rather than funding the camp’s general operation, campaign founders instead opted to specialize their requests, leading to such requests as raising $650 to send firewood to the camp, and $1,985 to send a team of acupuncturists from Brooklyn to Standing Rock.
As the camp posts repeated pleas for more supplies, it appears to be sitting on a significant amount of cash that may leave many donors questioning the urgency of their funds.
Questions Arise Over Standing Rock Protesters' Use of Funds – InsideSources
I hate what's happening. I wish I knew the truth. I don't trust the government side ... but aerial photos of Woodstock claimed to be Standing Rock don't do much for credibility there either.
Learn it cannot do. It has a limited span. It can only reflect like a fragmant of broken beer bottle in the ditch.
Government is pretty good at the propaganda game too - and we've seen what oil does to adults
At least by now? Yer an idiot.