Buncha natives and casual agitators gettin' hosed
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You realize, Loc, it was you I was thinking of when I posted the article on psychopaths and sociopaths. You be one sick mofo.
That moment when you have to explain to your child why the police are hurting PEOPLE...and the following moments after you tell them that the police are protecting this pipeline. Watching him struggle to grasp the concept that this pipeline is more important then PEOPLE is heartbreaking. He says its stupid, this pipeline and he wishes he was at the front line. My daughter and my son will grow up with real life heros...like the many that came before us..we will never forget... - Sugar Azure
I'm 100% with the Sioux on this one. The oil company can spend whatever $$ they need to circumvent whatever fu%$ing miles is needed to avoid this land; trampling their filth on sacred grounds, and compromising the main water source for this Sioux tribe is wrong. Hurting people is never the answer.
Butte men witness injury at Standing Rock, dispute official account
For Alonzo Willis of Butte, being sprayed by a water cannon in subfreezing temperatures wasn't the worst part of a Sunday night confrontation at Standing Rock.
It was seeing a woman severely injured.
He said he and Butte friend Isaiah Other Bull were close to protester Sophia Wilansky when she was injured in a confrontation with police.
After the water-spraying, the crowd had thinned out to fewer than a dozen people. Two of them — including Wilansky — were near a barricade on the highway. "They weren't past the barricade -- not past the barbed wire or anything," Willis said. "They were just standing there."
"One of the guys got hit with a rubber bullet. The girl (Wilansky) got hit by a rubber bullet and she fell," said Willis, 23. "And then they shot a percussion grenade and it got her in the arm."
Law-enforcement at the scene denied using grenades, and said the Wilansky may have been hurt by a propane tank being used as a weapon by the protesters. But Wilansky, Willis, Other Bull and other eyewitnesses dispute that account.
"It hit her and it just went 'Boom!' It blew her down," Willis said.
He said he and two others "ran over there as fast as we could ... she was screaming, 'My arm is gone!'
He said the police were firing tear gas canisters while she was down. "When we'd gone through action training, they were saying when someone gets hurt, it's usually best to just leave them, but we knew it was her arm and we had to get her out of there," he said. "We just picked her up. We ran until we found a car" and put her in it.
"That's when I first really saw her arm. You could see bone and blood."
Other Bull was also nearby, and his account matches Willis'.
"They shot her with a rubber bullet and she fell. She was trying to get up and run back and that's when they threw that grenade at her. Big old wound. All open. As big as a hand."
Willis said he saw men get out of a giant armored vehicle labeled Stutsman County (N.D.). "They were laughing. One of them said something like 'That was a beautiful shot.'
"We couldn't believe it was the police saying it. They didn't act like professionals at all. They acted like were in a different country and they were in a war.
Butte men witness injury at Standing Rock, dispute official account | State and Regional | mtstandard.com
For Alonzo Willis of Butte, being sprayed by a water cannon in subfreezing temperatures wasn't the worst part of a Sunday night confrontation at Standing Rock.
It was seeing a woman severely injured.
He said he and Butte friend Isaiah Other Bull were close to protester Sophia Wilansky when she was injured in a confrontation with police.
After the water-spraying, the crowd had thinned out to fewer than a dozen people. Two of them — including Wilansky — were near a barricade on the highway. "They weren't past the barricade -- not past the barbed wire or anything," Willis said. "They were just standing there."
"One of the guys got hit with a rubber bullet. The girl (Wilansky) got hit by a rubber bullet and she fell," said Willis, 23. "And then they shot a percussion grenade and it got her in the arm."
Law-enforcement at the scene denied using grenades, and said the Wilansky may have been hurt by a propane tank being used as a weapon by the protesters. But Wilansky, Willis, Other Bull and other eyewitnesses dispute that account.
"It hit her and it just went 'Boom!' It blew her down," Willis said.
He said he and two others "ran over there as fast as we could ... she was screaming, 'My arm is gone!'
He said the police were firing tear gas canisters while she was down. "When we'd gone through action training, they were saying when someone gets hurt, it's usually best to just leave them, but we knew it was her arm and we had to get her out of there," he said. "We just picked her up. We ran until we found a car" and put her in it.
"That's when I first really saw her arm. You could see bone and blood."
Other Bull was also nearby, and his account matches Willis'.
"They shot her with a rubber bullet and she fell. She was trying to get up and run back and that's when they threw that grenade at her. Big old wound. All open. As big as a hand."
Willis said he saw men get out of a giant armored vehicle labeled Stutsman County (N.D.). "They were laughing. One of them said something like 'That was a beautiful shot.'
"We couldn't believe it was the police saying it. They didn't act like professionals at all. They acted like were in a different country and they were in a war.
Butte men witness injury at Standing Rock, dispute official account | State and Regional | mtstandard.com
Lt. Tom Iverson of the North Dakota Highway Patrol offered a different version of the episode, which he said was being investigated by the North Dakota Bureau of Criminal Investigation and the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
Around the time of the explosion, Lieutenant Iverson said, officers fired sponge and beanbag rounds at three people who had shielded themselves behind a length of plywood near a burned vehicle on the bridge. The three were thought to be acting suspiciously and refused orders to emerge, he said.
Officers saw someone roll metal cylinders to the protesters by the burned vehicle, Lieutenant Iverson said, and then heard an explosion. Afterward, he said, several protesters ran up, pulled a woman from under the vehicle and ran off. Three propane canisters were recovered from the vicinity of the explosion early Tuesday, he said.
Lieutenant Iverson said that officers did not use concussion or flash grenades at any time. Instead, officers used tear gas, pepper spray canisters and what are known as stinger balls, round grenadelike objects that spread tiny rubber pellets to try to disperse protesters, he said.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/24/us/dakota-pipeline-sophia-wilansky.html
Cliffy ...........sometimes you remind me of that old song title ...'Blinded by the Light'.
I felt your contribution to the topic needed a bit of balance thus I provide an excerpt from the NYT which serves to flesh out the comments made by authorities concerning the incident. I will be very interested to hear the results of the tests being done on the fragments taken from her arm.
I also came across this article that I thought would be of interest to anyone looking for a balanced approach to reporting the story.
The View From Two Sides of the Standing Rock Front Lines
Deputy Jon Moll of the Morton County Sheriff’s Office visited officers stopped along North Dakota Highway 1806.
Kristina Barker for The New York Times
‘Folks Are Terrified’
Jon Moll, sheriff’s deputy
Deputy Moll sees the pipeline protest through a bug-spattered windshield, his patrol car slipping along North Dakota’s gravel county roads. He sees out-of-state protesters occupying federal land and trespassing on private ranches. He sees tense confrontations, lost days off and threats to his fellow officers.
He is the son of a Lutheran pastor, who moved the family from Ottertail, Minn., to Philadelphia. Mr. Moll, 38, remembers learning about the diversity of this country as the only white child in his class.
“I’m the son of farmers, and we worked hard for everything we have,” he says.
He came to Morton County, N.D., for work. Here is how he describes that work now:
“Sometimes, the job sucks, but you do your job. It’s definitely been a strain. Every time we’ve been out, we’ve seen weapons. People screaming down this road at 100 miles per hour. Trespassing and squatting on federal property. If I wanted to build a house there, I’d have U.S. marshals knocking on my door, saying, ‘No, you can’t do that.’”
Activists have accused law enforcement of needlessly roughing up and pepper-spraying demonstrators, and of responding to their sit-ins and marches with militarized force. But Mr. Moll says the deputies are not the bad guys.
He tells a story:
Earlier this fall, about 70 demonstrators rallied at one of the ranches being bisected by the pipeline. Ranchers have grown angry and impatient with the protests and regularly come up to Deputy Moll when he gases up his car to ask him when it will all just be over. He says he sees the Standing Rock Sioux as neighbors and respects them, but he has a harsher view of what he sees as hard-core protesters from outside North Dakota. “Folks are terrified,” he says.
On this day, officials decided to move in and arrest the protesters for trespassing. As they did, some in the crowd started to yell, “Bring out your horses!” to their fellow activists who had parked their trailers in a field of winter wheat. From his patrol car, Mr. Moll says, he saw one of the horses charge directly at a line of officers, and he hit the gas and raced over to cut off the horse as another officer raised a shotgun loaded with beanbag rounds at the rider.
“You run a 1,000-pound animal at a 200-pound person, that’s a deadly threat,” Mr. Moll said. “They were willing to use the threat of the horse against us, all the while screaming, ‘We’re peaceful protesters.’”
He has been working around the protests almost every day since, and expects to be on straight through to Thanksgiving.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/02/us/standing-rock-front-lines.html
Jon Moll, sheriff’s deputy
Deputy Moll sees the pipeline protest through a bug-spattered windshield, his patrol car slipping along North Dakota’s gravel county roads. He sees out-of-state protesters occupying federal land and trespassing on private ranches. He sees tense confrontations, lost days off and threats to his fellow officers.
He is the son of a Lutheran pastor, who moved the family from Ottertail, Minn., to Philadelphia. Mr. Moll, 38, remembers learning about the diversity of this country as the only white child in his class.
“I’m the son of farmers, and we worked hard for everything we have,” he says.
He came to Morton County, N.D., for work. Here is how he describes that work now:
“Sometimes, the job sucks, but you do your job. It’s definitely been a strain. Every time we’ve been out, we’ve seen weapons. People screaming down this road at 100 miles per hour. Trespassing and squatting on federal property. If I wanted to build a house there, I’d have U.S. marshals knocking on my door, saying, ‘No, you can’t do that.’”
Activists have accused law enforcement of needlessly roughing up and pepper-spraying demonstrators, and of responding to their sit-ins and marches with militarized force. But Mr. Moll says the deputies are not the bad guys.
He tells a story:
Earlier this fall, about 70 demonstrators rallied at one of the ranches being bisected by the pipeline. Ranchers have grown angry and impatient with the protests and regularly come up to Deputy Moll when he gases up his car to ask him when it will all just be over. He says he sees the Standing Rock Sioux as neighbors and respects them, but he has a harsher view of what he sees as hard-core protesters from outside North Dakota. “Folks are terrified,” he says.
On this day, officials decided to move in and arrest the protesters for trespassing. As they did, some in the crowd started to yell, “Bring out your horses!” to their fellow activists who had parked their trailers in a field of winter wheat. From his patrol car, Mr. Moll says, he saw one of the horses charge directly at a line of officers, and he hit the gas and raced over to cut off the horse as another officer raised a shotgun loaded with beanbag rounds at the rider.
“You run a 1,000-pound animal at a 200-pound person, that’s a deadly threat,” Mr. Moll said. “They were willing to use the threat of the horse against us, all the while screaming, ‘We’re peaceful protesters.’”
He has been working around the protests almost every day since, and expects to be on straight through to Thanksgiving.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/02/us/standing-rock-front-lines.html
Wishing they'd go home
No one makes this clearer than Robert Fool Bear Sr., 54, district chairman of Cannon Ball. The town he runs, estimated population of 840, is just a few miles from the action. It's so close that, given the faceoffs with law enforcement, you have to pass through a police checkpoint to reach it.
It's about time people heard from folks like him, he says.
"Fool Bear has had it with the protesters. He says that more than two years ago, when members of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe could have attended hearings to make their concerns known, they didn't care. Now, suddenly, the crowds are out of control, and he fears it's just a matter of time before someone gets seriously hurt.
Go down to the camps, he says, and you won't see many Standing Rock Sioux.
"It irks me. People are here from all over the world," he says. "If they could come from other planets, I think they would."
The presence of all these people has become a downright nuisance to his community, he says. Given the roadblocks, residents of Cannon Ball are often forced to go more than 40 miles out of their way.
Not long ago, he found three teenage girls from Ontario, Canada, camped out inside his storage shed. A white woman from Spokane, Washington, came to see him for help, saying she'd come here with nothing and her car had broken down. When he was at the casino recently, someone approached him about two young kids who were on their own because their parents had been arrested.
The situation has dissolved to madness, he says, and he wishes Dave Archambault II, the Standing Rock Sioux chairman, would speak up.
"If he had any balls, he'd tell [the protesters] to go home," Fool Bear says.
And he's not alone in feeling this way. Two women who listen in as he talks keep nodding in agreement, but they don't want to speak.
Just look at a recent vote in the community for further proof that Fool Bear's not the only naysayer. When protest organizers presented a request to build a new winter camp in Cannon Ball earlier this month, his community shot it down.
Of the 88 people who voted, he says 66 were against the camp, less than 10 were for it and the rest remained undecided."
Oil Police Lies About Maiming Sophia Wilansky's Arm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEMLoYmrnz4&sns=em
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEMLoYmrnz4&sns=em
Once Trump moves in, the protesters' are done. Trump owns stock in Energy Transfer Partners. The pipeline is going in..
Oil Police Lies About Maiming Sophia Wilansky's Arm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEMLoYmrnz4&sns=em
No comment on Fool Bear's comment? Or the rest of the town that is being so inconvenienced by your "protest"?
Cliffy, Cliffy, Cliffy...............have those tests on the fragments from her arm been released yet? If they prove to be from a grenade then I owe you an apology..........if not, then posts like these don't mean much do they. Perhaps we should wait and see what the truth is before we rush to judgement.
If you are too lazy to find out what is really going on there, why would I even consider talking to you? You've made up your mind and nothing I could say or show you will make any difference. Come back when you've educated yourself and maybe ten we could talk.
The FBI took her clothing away from her father. Will they ever surface again is anybody's guess. The doctors found shrapnel in her wounds. The propane canister the police produced as the article that blew her arm up was in tact. It had not exploded. So you tell me who is lying.
