British MP banned from entering Canada

[earth_as_one]

Galloway gave money to the legal government authorities in Gaza. Most countries differentiate between Hamas's armed wing and the democratcially elected government but Canada does not.

What Galloway did was the equivalent of giving money to Revenue Canada. What the Canadian government does would be like equating Revenue Canada with the democratically elected Conservative government. They aren't the same thing, but the Conservatives do control how Revenue Canada money is spent.

Galloway's actions happened in an area where Canada has no jurisdiction. His actions were legal according to UK and Gaza law.

I think this is a clear case of blocking Galloway from entering Canada because the Conservative government doesn't like what he has to say. Blocking his entrance to Canada, gave Galloway far more publicity than he would have gotten if they just simply let him enter the country. I'm sure that was not their intent.

This story should be important to all Canadians because it shows the direction the current government wants to take Canada. This is a free speech issue.

 

[earth_as_one]

FYI:

If anyone wants to take action or participate in this event here are the details:

Update & Plans for George Galloway tour

The actions to bring George Galloway into Canada to speak are multiplying. There have been email and online petitions, letters to the editor, opinion pieces and official editorials in newspapers, press conferences, lobbying, demands from Members of Parliament and from Quebec Ministers of the National Assembly, and a lawsuit - all to overturn the decision to ban him. Over 5,000 people and 45 organizations have officially endorsed Galloway to speak here.

The Conservative government seems determined to use Galloway as an example on how far it will go to silence opposition to it's failed war in Afghanistan and it's unconditional support for the Israeli government.

CARAVAN TO THE BORDER: Monday, March 30th, the Galloway tour organizers from SPHR are calling for a mass presence at the Canadian/US border in Lacolle, Quebec to support the Canadian and Quebec MP's and MNA's who plan to escort Galloway into Canada.

A border caravan will leave from Montreal Monday morning. Please show up by 9:30am at Carre Cabot, on Ste. Catherine & Atwater, corner of rue Lambert Closse (Metro Atwater, across from the Pepsi Forum). There will be buses. If you have a car, we need you to help caravan people there to arrive by 12 noon. Please write back if you have a car and how many people you can take, OR if you plan to come and need a ride to: Galloway.Canada@gmail.com

GALLOWAY PRESENTATION INFO:
For more information on the Canadian tour dates and locations:

(Ottawa) http://ottawapeace.blogspot.com/;(Toronto) http://www.nowar.ca/(Montréal) http://www.sphr.org

Montreal: George Galloway will be speaking in Montreal on “Resisting war from Gaza to Kandahar“ either in person, or by live video feed. Either way, the audience will be able to interact with MP Galloway and ask him questions.

Date: Wednesday April 1stTime: Doors Open 6:15 P.M. (Starting at: 7:00 P.M.)Location: Concordia University, Hall Building, Room H-1101455 de Maisonneuve West, (Métro Guy-Concordia)
Tickets Prices:$20.00 Adults $10.00 Students and Seniors

To purchase Montreal tickets, or more information on the George Galloway tour in Canada: www.sphr.org Solidarity, Let Galloway Speak Committee Le Comité Laissez parler GallowayGalloway.Canada@gmail.com

We urge you and your organization to sign on as a matter of principle. Please forward this endorsement to others: We the following Quebec and Canadian organizations, institutions, and individuals endorse British MP George Galloway's presence in Canada to speak on the Middle East, Central Asia and Canada's role in these regions. We have the right to be informed about Palestine, Israel, Afghanistan and Canada's role in the Middle East and Central Asia, and we have the right to support the Palestinian people. We find it unacceptable that the Harper government has crossed the line against civil liberties and human rights in banning, censoring and/or threatening its opponents on the Middle East and Central Asia. We denounce the libeling of those who disagree with the Harper government's Middle East policies as terrorists, supporters of terrorism, or anti-Semites.

Return to: Galloway.Canada@gmail.com

(Please circulate this appeal to your contacts and networks).

 

[Colpy]

EaO I am impressed.

You managed to put the words "Hamas" and "legitimate" in the same sentence.

You've lost it. Hamas took sole power in gaza by eliminating opposition........

If Harper threw the MPs of the Liberal Party, the NDP, and the BQ off the Peace Tower, would you call him the "legitimate" government of Canada??????

Hamas maintains its power by terror and murder. Up to 35 civilian opponents of Hamas were murdered in Dec-Jan just past, according to Human Rights watch....and dozens beaten or knee-capped.

If Harper had the editor of the Toronto Star shot, the president of the NDP knee-capped, and Danny Williams beaten to death, would you consider him the "legitimate" government of Canada?

Not only that, Hamas is a proxy of Iran....it is a bastard child of a Iran-Syrian mating.......its only reason for existence is to destroy Israel by killing all the Jews, and set up a Islamic terror-state in its place.

Legitimate?

I USED to think you were sincere.

Not any more.

 

[Machjo]

So Colpie, is Galloway a terrorist threat or not? If not, then why is Canada portraying him as such? If so, then why is the Canadian Embassy in the UK not releasing a travel warning to the UK? Which is it? Is he a threat or is he not?

 

[earth_as_one]

Colpy, I'm afraid you'll have to quote me. What I said was Hamas is the legal government. Do you deny Hamas won elections in free and fair elections as witnessed by international observers. But yes I will say Hamas is the legitimate government as a result.

Your analogy is flawed. Hamas is not the elected opposition, they are the elected government.

A more accurate analogy would be if the Harper government won a clear majority (like Hamas) and the Liberals who lost the election (like Fatah) refusing to hand over power.

What followed the Hamas election victory was the hostile intervention of the US and Israel who supported the election losers (Fatah) with arms and support for their maintaining power by force.

An analogy would be like Iran arming the Liberals (the election losers) and supporting them as they arrested and assassinated members of the Conservative party. (the election winners).

Since the US and Israel armed the losers and supported their illegal refusal to hand over power to the democratically elected government, they are responisble in part for the bloodshed.

The result of the civil war, is Hamas has control of Gaza as per their democratically elected mandate and Fatah illegally controls of the West Bank without any mandate from the Palestinian people.

Abbas's term ran out in January 2009. Since then, he has no democratic mandate to be President and is now officially a dictator.

Hamas's mandate runs out in January 2010.

So the question is Colpy, do you believe in Democracy unconditionally, or do you only support democracies when the people elect leaders you like in which case you support dictators seizing power by force.

 

[earth_as_one]

Back on topic, Galloway gave money to the legal Palestinian government, which happens to be Hamas. Canada has branded Hamas a terrorist organization. They've interpreted Gallow's donation to the legal Palestinian government as support for an illegal terrorist organization.

I think the onus should be on the government to prove their case. Galloway will have his day in court. In the meantime this dispute is coming to Canada's border. As mentioned above, a convoy is leaving Montreal to escort Gallow into Canada on Monday. The organizers are expecting about 5000 people to show up imcluding several MPs. Monday's news should be interesting. I bet he doesn't get in.

 

[CDNBear]

Galloway's actions happened in an area where Canada has no jurisdiction. His actions were legal according to UK and Gaza law.

Right, which is why Canada hasn't pressed charges against him, we don't have legal jurisdiction.

I think this is a clear case of blocking Galloway from entering Canada because the Conservative government doesn't like what he has to say. Blocking his entrance to Canada, gave Galloway far more publicity than he would have gotten if they just simply let him enter the country. I'm sure that was not their intent.

Funny, other critical opponents of war have been allowed in. But they actually support peace and therefore wouldn't give aid to terrorist entities.

This story should be important to all Canadians because it shows the direction the current government wants to take Canada. This is a free speech issue.

Thsi isn't a free speech issue in my opinion, but I love the fact that you have again confirmed that the leftard fringe believes free speech is solely the weapon of the leftard fringe. Especially since Galloway would ban anyone with an opinion contrary to his from the UK. Even though they've never supported a violent regime, like himself.

So Colpie, is Galloway a terrorist threat or not?

Nope, he supports terrorist regimes in contrary to Canadian law.

If not, then why is Canada portraying him as such?

They aren't, thanx for proving my poin that the leftard fringe can't read, or at the very least read what they want.

If so, then why is the Canadian Embassy in the UK not releasing a travel warning to the UK?

I take it rationality is not your fortay.

Which is it?

Which is what?

Is he a threat or is he not?

Not, but he has no legal grounds to enter the country, even if he hadn't supported terrorists.

So your argument is moot.

 

[CDNBear]

Back on topic, Galloway gave money to the legal Palestinian government, which happens to be Hamas. Canada has branded Hamas a terrorist organization. They've interpreted Gallow's donation to the legal Palestinian government as support for an illegal terrorist organization.

I think the onus should be on the government to prove their case. Galloway will have his day in court. In the meantime this dispute is coming to Canada's border. As mentioned above, a convoy is leaving Montreal to escort Gallow into Canada on Monday. The organizers are expecting about 5000 people to show up imcluding several MPs. Monday's news should be interesting. I bet he doesn't get in.

This should be interesting, I hope he's arrested and deported. Making any chances of re-entry null.

 

[Machjo]

If Galloway supports terrorist regimes, yet the UK government doesn't arrest him, then the UK government is complicit in support of terrorist regimes, isn't it?

 

[CDNBear]

If Galloway supports terrorist regimes, yet the UK government doesn't arrest him, then the UK government is complicit in support of terrorist regimes, isn't it?

Hamas is not listed as a terrorist entity in the UK.

You want to force them to do so?

We are a sovereign Nation, as they are. We each make our own laws.

The people elected the Liberals to run the Nation, they wrote the law. Immigration Canada exacted the law as it was written.

If you have an issue, it's with the LPoC. If you don't like the law, contact an MP and voice your concern.

 

[earth_as_one]

Which is exactly what thousands of people are doing....

 

[CDNBear]

Which is exactly what thousands of people are doing....

No, they're planning on perpetrating an illegal act.

That's a simple fact.

 

[L Gilbert]

.........This story should be important to all Canadians because it shows the direction the current government wants to take Canada. This is a free speech issue.

That'd be my impression, too. As I said before, to ban him because of his views is ridiculous. Banning him because of his actions is different.
lol I went to Galloway's webpage and apparently he doesn't consider even mentioning the issue. I read that he likes a good scrap, though, and is a natural born attention hog. Kenney seems to be giving Galloway just what he wants. lmao

 

[Cannuck]

This story should be important to all Canadians because it shows the direction the current government wants to take Canada. This is a free speech issue.

Nice spin but as has already been pointed out, the current government is not responsible for the law and this isn't a free speech issue. I do understand how difficult that is for some folks to accept.

 

[CDNBear]

Nice spin but as has already been pointed out, the current government is not responsible for the law and this isn't a free speech issue. I do understand how difficult that is for some folks to accept.

I don't think it has much to do with acceptance. After reviewing everything posted, I'ld be more inclined to assert it was a reading comprehension issue. And I'm not joking.

 

[lone wolf]

I don't think it has much to do with acceptance. After reviewing everything posted, I'ld be more inclined to assert it was a reading comprehension issue. And I'm not joking.

Speed-reading, eh? Comprehension is a lost art.

 

[Colpy]

Back on topic, Galloway gave money to the legal Palestinian government, which happens to be Hamas. Canada has branded Hamas a terrorist organization. They've interpreted Gallow's donation to the legal Palestinian government as support for an illegal terrorist organization.

I think the onus should be on the government to prove their case. Galloway will have his day in court. In the meantime this dispute is coming to Canada's border. As mentioned above, a convoy is leaving Montreal to escort Gallow into Canada on Monday. The organizers are expecting about 5000 people to show up imcluding several MPs. Monday's news should be interesting. I bet he doesn't get in.

You are right.

I did misquote you, and said "legitimate" instead of "legal"

Hamas is the "legal" gov't of Gaza? Well, that is BS, but as I don't give a rat's ass....I'm not gonna bother arguing the point. After all, Adolph Hitler was the "legal" leader of Germany, Robert Mugabe is the "legal" leader of Zimbabwe, the Communist Party is the "legal" gov't of China....

Try to imagine how little I care if the terrorist lunatics of Hamas are the "legal" gov't of Gaza.

They'd chop your nuts off and feed them to you in a millisecond simply for not worshipping Allah, were you not a useful idiot. That's what I don't get about you guys....raised with all the freedom and benefit of a western society, but so ready to cut your own throats, to support medieval nutbars against liberal democracy....it is self-loathing to a depth I simply can not fathom.

And then to claim neutrality!!!!! At least I know I'm partisan....because I know who my enemies are. You haven't figured it out yet.

BTW you should read Rex Murphy's column in today's Globe and Mail....it is wonderful!

It tells the tale of a debate between Christopher Hitchens and Galloway......in which Hitchens repeatedly skewers the scumball.....I quote Hitchens:

"The man's (Galloway's) hunt for a tyrannical fatherland never ends. The Soviet Union let him down. Albania's gone. Saddam's been overthrown. But on to the next, in Damascus."

Three cheers! But wait, it gets better!....

"(Galloway is)....a pimp for fascism.......so corrupt that he would willingly pay for the pleasure of selling himself"

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

This is NOT a debate over free speech.....Galloway is a supporter of Hamas. Hamas is, under Canadian law, a terrorist organization. Financial support of them is illegal in this country, so we keep him out..........simple as that.

 

[CDNBear]

You are right.

I did misquote you, and said "legitimate" instead of "legal"

Hamas is the "legal" gov't of Gaza? Well, that is BS, but as I don't give a rat's ass....I'm not gonna bother arguing the point. After all, Adolph Hitler was the "legal" leader of Germany, Robert Mugabe is the "legal" leader of Zimbabwe, the Communist Party is the "legal" gov't of China....

Try to imagine how little I care if the terrorist lunatics of Hamas are the "legal" gov't of Gaza.

They'd chop your nuts off and feed them to you in a millisecond simply for not worshipping Allah, were you not a useful idiot. That's what I don't get about you guys....raised with all the freedom and benefit of a western society, but so ready to cut your own throats, to support medieval nutbars against liberal democracy....it is self-loathing to a depth I simply can not fathom.

And then to claim neutrality!!!!! At least I know I'm partisan....because I know who my enemies are. You haven't figured it out yet.

BTW you should read Rex Murphy's column in today's Globe and Mail....it is wonderful!

It tells the tale of a debate between Christopher Hitchens and Galloway......in which Hitchens repeatedly skewers the scumball.....I quote Hitchens:

"The man's (Galloway's) hunt for a tyrannical fatherland never ends. The Soviet Union let him down. Albania's gone. Saddam's been overthrown. But on to the next, in Damascus."

Three cheers! But wait, it gets better!....

"(Galloway is)....a pimp for fascism.......so corrupt that he would willingly pay for the pleasure of selling himself"

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

This is NOT a debate over free speech.....Galloway is a supporter of Hamas. Hamas is, under Canadian law, a terrorist organization. Financial support of them is illegal in this country, so we keep him out..........simple as that.

Ladies and Gentlemen...May I introduce to you, the fat lady...and she just sang!



Well put Colpy, well put. I know it's so sycophantic, but I just can't help myself.

 

[earth_as_one]

.... Hamas took sole power in gaza by eliminating opposition...

...Hamas is the "legal" gov't of Gaza? Well, that is BS...

You still can't seem to wrap your mind around the fact that Hamas won the 2006 election freely and fairly. As a result Hamas still has a democratic mandate to rule Palestinians until next year. That's why Hamas is the legal government of all Palestinians, including those living in the West Bank ghettos.

Abbas's mandate expired in January 2009. He has no mandate to rule Palestinians. If it wasn't for all the arms his militias get from the US and Israel, the transition of power from Fatah to Hamas would have been peaceful. Instead Abbas, like Hitler and Mugabe rules by force as a dictator. Abbas is completely dependent on US and Israeli military support to maintain his grip on power. How democratic is that?

I understand you don't like Hamas. Honestly, I don't care for them either. But unlike you, I believe that the will of the Palestinian people as expressed by free and fair elections must be respected. I agree with this British Zionist Jewish MP who is also pro-Israel:

YouTube - British Jewish Zionist MP Gerald Kaufman says Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza

MPs George Galloway and Gerald Kaufman don't support Hamas. What these British MPs support is equality and the right of all people to freedom and justice. They recognize Palestinian suffering and the many war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by Israel. That doesn't make them anti-Israel.

Fact is, the Israel and the US are responsible for creating the harsh conditions under which extremist groups like Hamas thrive. Hamas exists as a result of Israeli and US policies and the only path to peace now is to deal with the only Palestinian government with a democratic mandate.

BTW, Israel's December 2009-January 2009 war crimes in Gaza did not defeat Hamas. Recent polls indicate they are more popular than ever with Palestinians and if an election was held today, they'd win another majority:
Poll: Hamas more popular after Gaza offensive - Haaretz - Israel News

 

[CDNBear]

I understand you don't like Hamas. Honestly, I don't care for them either. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1069762.html

WHOA WHAO WHOA!!!
Wait a minute...stop the presses!!!

That's a little weird considering this...

BTW, I don't support Hamas or their viewpoint. I have observed that they keep their word. Most appear to be intolerant religious zealots. On the flip side they appear to be honest and trustworthy. I have posted support for Palestinians to democratically elect their leaders without outside interference. I have noted that Hamas is the only government with a democratic mandate in Palestine. But no I have never expressed support for Hamas's religious intolerance or violent resistance.

How can you not care for a group, but think they're honest and truthful?

How can you believe a group of religious zealots are truthful and honest?

Show me where in history, religious zealotry was a good and honest thing?