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Tonington

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There is no Law which explicitly covers global warming, rather many Laws which deal with the component parts which make up climate science.

This is what makes claims like Chrichton's so laughable, the vast body of evidence is multi-disciplined, coming from many branches of the physical sciences. What's worse is to debate this science fiction writer in public will only appear to reinforce his claims that scientists have a political agenda. You know, they all want more money or they're in cahoots with hybrid vehicle producers, when in fact the overwhelming sentiment from those who study these component parts of what we call climatology is to increase spending on mitigating the change, not more funding for research.
 

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Coral bleaching as record cold snap hits

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August 04, 2007 08:34am
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  • Cold snap bleaches pristine section of reef
  • Experts blame cold water, wind and air
  • Climate change could make extremes 'more common'

A RECORD cold snap across southern Queensland has triggered coral bleaching normally associated with the extremes of hot weather linked to climate change.
Scientists say the bleaching has been caused by a combination of cold waters, winds and air temperatures hitting exposed reefs around the Capricorn-Bunker group of islands at the southern end of the reef.

While other sections of the reef appear to have been spared by being fully submerged or far enough north to avoid the worst of the cold snaps in June and July, bleaching has been recorded by University of Queensland researchers on Heron Island, near Rockhampton.

The area is regarded as having some of the most pristine sections of accessible reef.

Coral expert Ove Hoegh-Guldberg, from the University of Queensland's Centre for Marine Studies, warned researchers along the reef to look for bleaching after Townsville experienced one of its coldest days on record, on June 20.

Strong and sustained southerly winds that brought heavy rain to much of southeast Queensland in June and July exacerbated the chilly conditions for coral exposed at low tide and weakened the algae on the coral needed to keep it healthy.

Professor Hoegh-Guldberg said the comfort zone for coral was between 19C and 27C but temperatures had fallen to 8C.

While bleaching from extreme heat affects entire reefs, the cold bleaching appears to be isolated to the tips of wide areas of coral exposed to the chill.

Professor Hoegh-Guldberg said the extreme variation in temperature might be more common as climate change caused hotter summers and colder winters.

CSIRO oceanographer David Griffin said the only noticeably cold currents were further south, around Fraser Island, suggesting water was being cooled at the surface by the air temperature.
 

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Coral bleaching as record cold snap hits

By Matthew Warren
August 04, 2007 08:34am
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  • Cold snap bleaches pristine section of reef
  • Experts blame cold water, wind and air
  • Climate change could make extremes 'more common'
A RECORD cold snap across southern Queensland has triggered coral bleaching normally associated with the extremes of hot weather linked to climate change.
Scientists say the bleaching has been caused by a combination of cold waters, winds and air temperatures hitting exposed reefs around the Capricorn-Bunker group of islands at the southern end of the reef.

While other sections of the reef appear to have been spared by being fully submerged or far enough north to avoid the worst of the cold snaps in June and July, bleaching has been recorded by University of Queensland researchers on Heron Island, near Rockhampton.

The area is regarded as having some of the most pristine sections of accessible reef.

Coral expert Ove Hoegh-Guldberg, from the University of Queensland's Centre for Marine Studies, warned researchers along the reef to look for bleaching after Townsville experienced one of its coldest days on record, on June 20.

Strong and sustained southerly winds that brought heavy rain to much of southeast Queensland in June and July exacerbated the chilly conditions for coral exposed at low tide and weakened the algae on the coral needed to keep it healthy.

Professor Hoegh-Guldberg said the comfort zone for coral was between 19C and 27C but temperatures had fallen to 8C.

While bleaching from extreme heat affects entire reefs, the cold bleaching appears to be isolated to the tips of wide areas of coral exposed to the chill.

Professor Hoegh-Guldberg said the extreme variation in temperature might be more common as climate change caused hotter summers and colder winters.

CSIRO oceanographer David Griffin said the only noticeably cold currents were further south, around Fraser Island, suggesting water was being cooled at the surface by the air temperature.

Do you even read these articles before the obligatory cut&paste?
 

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In page two he makes a HUGE , HUGE faulty leap of logic.

He assumes that since the warming ratio is there (and he calculates it based on CO2) is such a tiny percentage is irrelevant (0.03) when when you measure that , that brings a temperature change on earth from about 288.2 K (15C) to 296.8K (24C) in that model alone.

This means on average the earth is 6 degree's warmer than it should be , from our contribution of CO2 alone. According to that paper of yours anyways.

And thats from 1958, no wonder the North West Passage is opening up.

You lost me. Would you mind slowing down a bit please? When I eliminate the stuff in parenthesis (because they are either assumptions or conversions), I get this:

In page two he makes a HUGE , HUGE faulty leap of logic.

He assumes that since the warming ratio is there is such a tiny percentage is irrelevant when when you measure that , that brings a temperature change on earth from about 288.2 K to 296.8K in that model alone.

This means on average the earth is 6 degree's warmer than it should be , from our contribution of CO2 alone. According to that paper of yours anyways.

And thats from 1958, no wonder the North West Passage is opening up

You totally lost me. I would like to understand this.
 

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Yes, why?

What exactly is it from that article that you think merits discussion? From what I've seen you post before, your sentiments are well known on the issue, and this article doesn't support the angle you've taken on this issue.
 

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Because he can.... that is what discussion groups are for.

People take an opinion and we anticipate they are going to have the same opinion on the same topic over and over.

Are you saying he should remain silent because we know what his opinion will be?

Deap breathing....calm yourself... there is room for all.... ohmmmm

 

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Tonington

Because he can.... that is what discussion groups are for.

People take an opinion and we anticipate they are going to have the same opinion on the same topic over and over.

Are you saying he should remain silent because we know what his opinion will be?

Deap breathing....calm yourself... there is room for all.... ohmmmm


Sorry Curio if I came off snappish. My point was that this article if you read the highlighted portions, explains that this is expected due to our present climate change. Walter has repeatedly posted articles which were clearly heavy on the denial side, while this one is very clearly not. Struck me as odd is all.
 

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Still, thankfully, a very quiet Atlantic hurricane season. Maybe the state of Louisiana will use the time to build the levees properly this time before the next storm hits them, or at least have a viable evacuation plan ready.
 
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Actually so far it is an above average season based on the nearest 50 year averages. Also the forecast has been amended since the beginning of the season.
 

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Because hurricane season is about more than just hurricanes, it also includes named tropical storms, one of which on the first day of August caused major flooding due to 100mm of rain and many millions of dollars worth of damage in Newfoundland. Take a look at Wikipedia, you'll see all forecasts include tropical storms, which cause damage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Atlantic_hurricane_season

So zero hurricanes is not abnormal to this point, but when looking at named storms, ie when they become a tropical storm, we are above average already. The monthly averages when added up total 1.6 and so far we have had 3. http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Landsea/deadly/Table8.htm
 

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Um. Look at the world's weather throughly will help. America's temperature and unusual water, the Europe's high temperature, Britain's flood, and the monsoon season in south asia. The Gaspe penisula floods and several others include the increase of Chinese rainstorms, mudslides...e.t.c.
 

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A major new scientific study concludes the impact of carbon dioxide emissions on worldwide temperatures is largely irrelevant, prompting one veteran meteorologist to quip, "You can go outside and spit and have the same effect as doubling carbon dioxide."

Meteorologist Reid Bryson
That comment comes from Reid Bryson, founding chairman of the Department of Meteorology at the University of Wisconsin, who said the temperature of the earth is increasing, but that it's got nothing to do with what man is doing.
"Of course it's going up. It has gone up since the early 1800s, before the Industrial Revolution, because we're coming out of the Little Ice Age, not because we're putting more carbon dioxide into the air."
"Anthropogenic (man-made) global warming bites the dust," declared astronomer Ian Wilson after reviewing the newest study, now accepted for publication in the peer-reviewed Journal of Geophysical Research.
The project, called "Heat Capacity, Time Constant, and Sensitivity of Earth's Climate System," was authored by Brookhaven National lab scientist Stephen Schwartz.
"Effectively, this (new study) means that the global economy will spend trillions of dollars trying to avoid a warming of (about) 1.0 K by 2100 A.D.," Wilson wrote in a note to the U.S. Senate committee on environment and public works Sunday.
He was referring to the massive expenditures that would be required under such treaties as the Kyoto Protocol.
"Previously, I have indicated that the widely accepted values for temperature increase associated with a double of CO2 were far too high, i.e. 2-4.5 Kelvin. This new peer-reviewed paper claims a value of 1.1 +/- 0.5 K increase," he added.
Bryson's and Wilson's comments were among those from a long list of doubters of catastrophic, man-made global warming, assembled by Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., and posted on a blog site for the U.S. Senate committee on environment and public works.
Another leader, Ivy League geologist Robert Giegengack, chair of the Department of Earth and Environmental Science at the University of Pennsylvania, said he doesn't even consider global warming in the top 10 environmental problems.
"In terms of [global warming's] capacity to cause the human species harm, I don't think it makes it into the top 10," he said. "[Former Vice President Al Gore] claims that temperature increases solely because more CO2 in the atmosphere traps the sun's heat. That's just wrong … It's a natural interplay. As temperature rises, CO2 rises, and vice versa. It's hard for us to say CO2 drives temperature. It's easier to say temperature drives CO2."
Gore made – and stars in – a film about purported global warming, "An Inconvenient Truth," that won an Oscar. It has become mandatory for students in many high schools and colleges.
However, the studies assembled by Inhofe's team said that's not necessarily so, according to the scientists.
"If we were to stop manufacturing CO2 tomorrow, we wouldn't see the effects of that for generations," Giegengack said.
"Carbon dioxide is 0.000383 of our atmosphere by volume (0.038 percent)," said meteorologist Joseph D'Alea, the first director of meteorology at The Weather Channel and former chief of the American Meteorological Society's Committee on Weather Analysis and Forecast.
"Only 2.75 percent of atmospheric CO2 is anthropogenic in origin. The amount we emit is said to be up from 1 percent a decade ago. Despite the increase in emissions, the rate of change of atmospheric carbon dioxide at Mauna Loa remains the same as the long term average (plus 0.45 percent per year)," he said. "We are responsible for just 0.001 percent of this atmosphere. If the atmosphere was a 100-story building, our anthropogenic CO2 contribution today would be equivalent to the linoleum on the first floor."
Former Harvard physicist Lubos Motl added that those promoting the fear of man-made climate changes are "playing the children's game to scare each other."
"By the end of the (CO2) doubling, i.e. 560 ppm (parts per million) expected slightly before (the year) 2100 – assuming a business-as-usual continued growth of CO2 that has been linear for some time – Schwartz and others would expect 0.4 C of extra warming only – a typical fluctuation that occurs within four months and certainly nothing that the politicians should pay attention to," Motl explained.
Joel Schwartz, of the American Enterprise Institute, said, "there's hardly any additional warming 'in the pipeline' from previous greenhouse gas emissions. This is in contrast to the IPCC, which predicts that the Earth's average temperature will rise an additional 0.6 degrees C during the 21st Century even if greenhouse gas concentrations stopped increasing," he added.
"Along with dozens of other studies in the scientific literature, [this] new study belies Al Gore's claim that there is no legitimate scholarly alternative to climate catastrophism. Indeed, if Schwartz's results are correct, that alone would be enough to overturn in one fell swoop the IPCC's scientific 'consensus,' the environmentalists' climate hysteria, and the political pretext for the energy-restriction policies that have become so popular with the world's environmental regulators, elected officials, and corporations. The question is, will anyone in the mainstream media notice?" AEI's Schwartz concluded.
The Senate committee assessment said 2007 could go down in history "as the 'tipping point' of man-made global warming fears."
Meteorologist Joseph Conklin, of the website Climate Police said "global warming" is disintegrating.
"A few months ago, a study came out that demonstrated global temperatures have leveled off. But instead of possibly admitting that this whole global warming thing is a farce, a group of British scientists concluded that the real global warming won't start until 2009," Conklin wrote.
However, a United Nations scientist, Jim Renwick, recently conceded that climate models do not account for the variability in nature, and so are not reliable. And Conklin noted the U.S. National Climate Data Center has compiled data that shouldn't be used, because its reporting points are located on hot black asphalt, next to trash burn barrels and even attached to hot chimneys, a methodology that is "seriously flawed."
WND has previously reported on significant doubts about global warming.
Last September, a leading U.S. climate researcher claimed there's a decade at most left to address global warming before environmental disaster takes place, but the federal government issued a report showing the year 1936 had a hotter summer than 2006.
"The average June-August 2006 temperature for the contiguous United States (based on preliminary data) was 2.4 degrees F (1.3 degrees C) above the 20th century average of 72.1 degrees F (22.3 degrees C)," said the NOAA report. "This was the second warmest summer on record, slightly cooler than the record of 74.7 degrees F set in 1936 during the Dust Bowl era. This summer's average was 74.5 degrees F. Eight of the past ten summers have been warmer than the U.S. average for the same period."
WND also reported on NASA-funded study that noted some climate forecasts might be exaggerating estimations of global warming.
The space agency said climate models possibly were overestimating the amount of water vapor entering the atmosphere as the Earth warms.
The theory many scientists work with says the Earth heats up in response to human emissions of greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide, causing more water to evaporate from the ocean into the atmosphere.
In addition, WND reported that Dr. Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia, maintains there has been little or no warming since about 1940. "Any warming from the growth of greenhouse gases is likely to be minor, difficult to detect above the natural fluctuations of the climate, and therefore inconsequential," Singer wrote in a climate-change essay. "In addition, the impacts of warming and of higher CO2 levels are likely to be beneficial for human activities and especially for agriculture."
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