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Climate Expert Questions Gore's Global Warming CampaignBy Greg Flakus
Fort Collins, Colorado
10 July 2007
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This past weekend concerts took place around the world to focus attention on the problem of global warming, which former U.S. Vice President Al Gore says is the greatest single threat facing humankind today. Most of the world's scientists agree that it is a problem and that it is largely caused by human use of fossil fuels, which produce so-called greenhouse gases that trap the Earth's heat. Al Gore and scientists who wrote the United Nations report on climate change say the debate is over and the time has come to act. But some prominent climate scientists are objecting to that, claiming that the debate has yet to even begin. VOA's Greg Flakus recently spoke to one of them and filed this report from Fort Collins, Colorado.
Film poster of 'An Inconvenient Truth'In Al Gore's movie, An Inconvenient Truth, the dangers presented by global warming are shown in graphic fashion, with photos, maps and charts. In his view, there is no time to lose in addressing global warming.
GORE: "That is what is at stake, our ability to live on planet Earth."
The poster and cover art for the movie show a huge hurricane coming out of a smoke stack. But that image and much of what Al Gore presents in the film is rejected by one of the most respected men in the field of climate studies in the United States.
William Gray, 77, the principal force behind the annual hurricane forecasts done by Colorado State University's School of Atmospheric Science, has little good to say about Gore and his movie.
William Gray"He is making statements that I could never make. He is making assumptions that are just not true. I think there are many factual errors in his movie," he said.
Gray rejects Gore's assertion that hurricanes are becoming more frequent and more intense as a result of global warming. A number of other scientists, even some who support Gore's position in general, have also questioned some of the claims made in the movie.
But not William Gray. He does not dispute that the world is warming, but he does not see it as a crisis and he does not think emissions of CO2, methane and other gases have much to do with it.
"Yes, we have seen some global warming. I think it is primarily natural due to the global ocean circulation features," he added.
Gray says the current warming trend is part of a natural cycle and that the world may soon enter a cooling phase.
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) recently reported that climate change is accelerating even faster than had previously been predicted, adding to the urgent need to take action. But Gray and other critics say these predictions are based on unreliable computer models. He says the IPCC has a political agenda and that skeptics are kept out of the discussion.
"The IPCC and all these reports, I have been over 55 years working in the field and they never have come to me one time," he said. "I have just been isolated and I know other colleagues of mine, who I respect for their knowledge. They never consulted them either. If they know how you think, they just leave you alone and go on."
IPCC scientists reject such characterization of their consensus view and defend computer modeling as a way of understanding how greenhouse gases are affecting climate.
Gray believes the cutbacks in fossil fuel use advocated by the consensus scientists would hurt the economies of the United States and other industrialized nations and, in the end, do little or nothing to stop global warming. He says all the attention focused on global warming is distracting people from the world's real problems.
"We have so many other important problems around the world that are much more critical," he explained. "For instance, poverty, AIDS, terrorism, all these problems we have in the world. To me this global warming is sort of a red herring. They have been saying it is the greatest problem facing mankind now. That is a gross exaggeration."
William Gray plans to write a book to refute Gore's and other global warming activists' arguments. He says he and other skeptics have been shunted aside and dismissed as "global warming deniers." Critics also claim the skeptics are financed by large oil companies, but William Gray says he has never taken any money from the energy industry.
While he may not have convinced some of the scientists who believe in human-induced global warming, he may yet have a chance to make his case. Some scientists from the global warming camp are now saying that debate should be allowed. As Gray and other skeptics have argued, science is advanced through constant questioning and testing of hypotheses, not by consensus.
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Climate Expert Questions Gore's Global Warming CampaignBy Greg Flakus
Fort Collins, Colorado
10 July 2007
Flakus report - Download 1MB
Listen to Flakus report
This past weekend concerts took place around the world to focus attention on the problem of global warming, which former U.S. Vice President Al Gore says is the greatest single threat facing humankind today. Most of the world's scientists agree that it is a problem and that it is largely caused by human use of fossil fuels, which produce so-called greenhouse gases that trap the Earth's heat. Al Gore and scientists who wrote the United Nations report on climate change say the debate is over and the time has come to act. But some prominent climate scientists are objecting to that, claiming that the debate has yet to even begin. VOA's Greg Flakus recently spoke to one of them and filed this report from Fort Collins, Colorado.
GORE: "That is what is at stake, our ability to live on planet Earth."
The poster and cover art for the movie show a huge hurricane coming out of a smoke stack. But that image and much of what Al Gore presents in the film is rejected by one of the most respected men in the field of climate studies in the United States.
William Gray, 77, the principal force behind the annual hurricane forecasts done by Colorado State University's School of Atmospheric Science, has little good to say about Gore and his movie.
Gray rejects Gore's assertion that hurricanes are becoming more frequent and more intense as a result of global warming. A number of other scientists, even some who support Gore's position in general, have also questioned some of the claims made in the movie.
But not William Gray. He does not dispute that the world is warming, but he does not see it as a crisis and he does not think emissions of CO2, methane and other gases have much to do with it.
"Yes, we have seen some global warming. I think it is primarily natural due to the global ocean circulation features," he added.
Gray says the current warming trend is part of a natural cycle and that the world may soon enter a cooling phase.
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) recently reported that climate change is accelerating even faster than had previously been predicted, adding to the urgent need to take action. But Gray and other critics say these predictions are based on unreliable computer models. He says the IPCC has a political agenda and that skeptics are kept out of the discussion.
"The IPCC and all these reports, I have been over 55 years working in the field and they never have come to me one time," he said. "I have just been isolated and I know other colleagues of mine, who I respect for their knowledge. They never consulted them either. If they know how you think, they just leave you alone and go on."
IPCC scientists reject such characterization of their consensus view and defend computer modeling as a way of understanding how greenhouse gases are affecting climate.
Gray believes the cutbacks in fossil fuel use advocated by the consensus scientists would hurt the economies of the United States and other industrialized nations and, in the end, do little or nothing to stop global warming. He says all the attention focused on global warming is distracting people from the world's real problems.
"We have so many other important problems around the world that are much more critical," he explained. "For instance, poverty, AIDS, terrorism, all these problems we have in the world. To me this global warming is sort of a red herring. They have been saying it is the greatest problem facing mankind now. That is a gross exaggeration."
William Gray plans to write a book to refute Gore's and other global warming activists' arguments. He says he and other skeptics have been shunted aside and dismissed as "global warming deniers." Critics also claim the skeptics are financed by large oil companies, but William Gray says he has never taken any money from the energy industry.
While he may not have convinced some of the scientists who believe in human-induced global warming, he may yet have a chance to make his case. Some scientists from the global warming camp are now saying that debate should be allowed. As Gray and other skeptics have argued, science is advanced through constant questioning and testing of hypotheses, not by consensus.
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Shakes head. The people here don't listen to reason but their own feelings. Fare well. I don't care what is real in your heads anymore. Don't you ever try to check the encyclopedias and how the ocean currents carry air with the relation of earth's magnetism?
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Australia is missing out on Global warming.
Coldest day on record for Brisbane
Daniel Sankey and Tony Moore | July 19, 2007 - 7:23AM
Brisbane faces more cold weather tonight as commuters shiver on their way to work this morning.
Tonight's overnight temperature will again be very cold, but temperature should begin to warm from Friday as a new air mass - this time from the ocean - begins to take effect over Brisbane, according to a Weather Bureau spokesman.
"We will be having another cold night tonight, but the overnight temperatures will be higher for the weekend," he said.
The temperature at Brisbane Airport fell below zero this morning for the first time.
Brisbane Bureau of Meteorology spokesman Geoff Douell said it fell to minus 0.1 degrees at 6.39am today - well below the previous coldest record of 1.6 degrees for the current recording station at Brisbane Airport.
It dropped to 0.6 degrees at Brisbane Airport in 1971, but that was at a different location.
In the city itself it was 3.8 degrees at 6.53am.
Mr Douell said the freezing temperatures had been triggered by a combination of clear skies, dry conditions and cold air originating from snow-inducing conditions in Victoria and New South Wales.
It was colder still towards Ipswich this morning, with Amberley recording its second coldest day on record at minus 4.8 degrees.
It wasn't quite a record, but very close.
In August 1995, the mercury at Amberley dropped to minus 4.9 degrees.
It was colder still at Stanthorpe and Oakey this morning.
It dropped to minus seven degrees at Stanthorpe and to minus 5.4 degrees at Oakey.
At Charleville the temperature dropped to minus two degrees.
In other regions the temperature dropped to 1.7 degrees at Archerfield, down to 2.5 degrees at the Gold Coast Seaway at 6.55am and to 3.6 degrees at Redcliffe at 6.37am.
Some isolated showers along the coastline are tipped from Saturday and are likely to move inland from Sunday.
Coldest day on record for Brisbane
Daniel Sankey and Tony Moore | July 19, 2007 - 7:23AM
Brisbane faces more cold weather tonight as commuters shiver on their way to work this morning.
Tonight's overnight temperature will again be very cold, but temperature should begin to warm from Friday as a new air mass - this time from the ocean - begins to take effect over Brisbane, according to a Weather Bureau spokesman.
"We will be having another cold night tonight, but the overnight temperatures will be higher for the weekend," he said.
The temperature at Brisbane Airport fell below zero this morning for the first time.
Brisbane Bureau of Meteorology spokesman Geoff Douell said it fell to minus 0.1 degrees at 6.39am today - well below the previous coldest record of 1.6 degrees for the current recording station at Brisbane Airport.
It dropped to 0.6 degrees at Brisbane Airport in 1971, but that was at a different location.
In the city itself it was 3.8 degrees at 6.53am.
Mr Douell said the freezing temperatures had been triggered by a combination of clear skies, dry conditions and cold air originating from snow-inducing conditions in Victoria and New South Wales.
It was colder still towards Ipswich this morning, with Amberley recording its second coldest day on record at minus 4.8 degrees.
It wasn't quite a record, but very close.
In August 1995, the mercury at Amberley dropped to minus 4.9 degrees.
It was colder still at Stanthorpe and Oakey this morning.
It dropped to minus seven degrees at Stanthorpe and to minus 5.4 degrees at Oakey.
At Charleville the temperature dropped to minus two degrees.
In other regions the temperature dropped to 1.7 degrees at Archerfield, down to 2.5 degrees at the Gold Coast Seaway at 6.55am and to 3.6 degrees at Redcliffe at 6.37am.
Some isolated showers along the coastline are tipped from Saturday and are likely to move inland from Sunday.
So it's cold in Australia during their winter season.... a real shocker it comes this time of year. A warming planet begets more unstable weather events, including cold snaps in places we would 'normally' think of as warm. Breaking records has become more commonplace, not sure if anyone noticed that.
In May of this year we had the first named storm, Andrea. There haven't been any hurricanes yet, but most seasons the hurricanes don't begin forming until later in the season. There have been two cyclones already, tropical storm Barry made landfall. August to October is peak season, as the waters are still warming right now.
Similar in a gradient to weird weather plus the warm. The storms really cools the earth down a little.
More evidence that it's happened before and that the "it's people who are at fault" crowd are mistaken. http://epw.senate.gov/public/index....-23ad-4c69-9bdd978fb3cd&Issue_id&IsPrint=True
A person who likes the pride than the truth. It's a discussion board, not a fact place after all. Though welcome there!
The math and physics of AGW don't jibe with the computer models. This is a long read with lots of math so be prepared. http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Falsification_of_CO2.pdf
In page two he makes a HUGE , HUGE faulty leap of logic.
He assumes that since the warming ratio is there (and he calculates it based on CO2) is such a tiny percentage is irrelevant (0.03) when when you measure that , that brings a temperature change on earth from about 288.2 K (15C) to 296.8K (24C) in that model alone.
This means on average the earth is 6 degree's warmer than it should be , from our contribution of CO2 alone. According to that paper of yours anyways.
And thats from 1958, no wonder the North West Passage is opening up.
He assumes that since the warming ratio is there (and he calculates it based on CO2) is such a tiny percentage is irrelevant (0.03) when when you measure that , that brings a temperature change on earth from about 288.2 K (15C) to 296.8K (24C) in that model alone.
This means on average the earth is 6 degree's warmer than it should be , from our contribution of CO2 alone. According to that paper of yours anyways.
And thats from 1958, no wonder the North West Passage is opening up.
The problem with Scientists and their followers in the cult of empiricism is that they really can't prove anything at all. They have nothing but opinion.
They tout their beliefs as truth, and the more followers they win to the fold, the more likely is their view to be accepted as reality.
The Carbon as cause of Global Warming fear mongers have more followers, so people accept that as being why the climate may be warming up. They really haven't proven anything. It is all opinion.
And Like all religionists, the Carbon is the cause folks demand the doctrine of the faith must be adhered to. Those who deviate from the dogma are labeled as heretics or heathens.
When a scientist or a religionist can explain everything in the universe with valid proof that even the dumbest of humans can understand, then is the time to believe.
Until then, no one can aver with any certainty why anything happens.
There is more dreamt of in hell than in their philosophy
chinatattler
They tout their beliefs as truth, and the more followers they win to the fold, the more likely is their view to be accepted as reality.
The Carbon as cause of Global Warming fear mongers have more followers, so people accept that as being why the climate may be warming up. They really haven't proven anything. It is all opinion.
And Like all religionists, the Carbon is the cause folks demand the doctrine of the faith must be adhered to. Those who deviate from the dogma are labeled as heretics or heathens.
When a scientist or a religionist can explain everything in the universe with valid proof that even the dumbest of humans can understand, then is the time to believe.
Until then, no one can aver with any certainty why anything happens.
There is more dreamt of in hell than in their philosophy
chinatattler
Oh Boy!
They don't call it the LAW OF GRAVITY because it's a theory. It's the law!
Just because you don't want to hear it, doesn't mean it's not the truth.
;-)
There is a doubt as to HOW your falling down. The commonly held belief is you are being pulled in, it also can be correctly modelled where you are pushed down. In the end though, since both work fine for all calculations, it won't matter anyways until we reach some branch of science where it does matter.
Ummm, if you speak to scientists in the field they will tell you it is greenhouse gases, you know the ones that keep our planet comfortable instead of a global average of -14 celcius.
A theory. The law on global warming needs budget and people recognition. Sometimes I wonder if science is based on popularity and politics. Mostly it's excess products not used to be useful and causes this. The excess products need fixing!