Charter of Rights and Freedoms says we are all equal so go ahead and take a fish or two but don't pig out.
Bogus aboriginal tobacco rights promoted by afn
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I don't think it's entirely a good thing either, there is as you say an element of criminality in this activity which does nobody any good. I was just trying to focus on the positives, and I certainly find an interesting irony about it, particularly the aboriginal-run casinos around here. I'm not a gambler myself, nickle and dime poker with friends is as far as I'll go in that department, but the thought of aboriginal people legally robbing white people appeals to my sense of justice.
The two local are provincial owned but there are hiring quotas. Nearest Native one is Carlyle. Ft QuAppelle area Band Councils almost bought out the old sanatorium at Ft San to convert to a casino but there was heritage site issue and now it's condos.
Like salmon caught in BC and then frozen in big freezers and sold. Very ceremonial.
You mean Salmon caught like this?
On one of these...
Ya, the Injins is the real problem...
Given your complete lack of education on the subject, I can understand why you would chose to ignore my posts. Just how many times have you been schooled by this lowly Injin now?
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Never seen them last long enough to freeze. Sockeye are $15 The last one fed 4 of us with leftovers.Much cheaper than keeping the boat running and buying a license and tags.
You mean Salmon caught like this?
On one of these...
Ya, the Injins is the real problem...
Given your complete lack of education on the subject, I can understand why you would chose to ignore my posts. Just how many times have you been schooled by this lowly Injin now?
Yep thats how ceremonial salmon are caught. No processing ships though. I think that processing ship is actually a dragger. Absolutley the worst thing to hit the ocean floor. Should be banned.
You mean Salmon caught like this?
On one of these...
Ya, the Injins is the real problem...
Given your complete lack of education on the subject, I can understand why you would chose to ignore my posts. Just how many times have you been schooled by this lowly Injin now?
Amazing eh and never mind all the fish that aren't harvested and dumped (dead) back into the sea.
The Natives are the least of our problems when it comes to low Salmon stocks.
Equality?
You demand equality??
How about you go & visit some of these communities and get educated on some of their levels of quality of life and come back to talk about what's equal.
Yeah some houses on some reserves could be considered to be around par with what a typical middle class citizen would have.... but the greater majority of these people don't have that "Luxury"..... some places in this nation, they're still fighting to get steady fresh water or power.
And you want to preach about equality & demands on what they should and shouldn't be doing, because you know best?
Me thinks not.
Tobacco products and even Marijuana, have been a part of their spiritual life for centuries.... long before any white or black folk came along and started to pitch their tents in their back yard. Besides tobacco use & sale being protected for them due to spiritual beliefs, it was one of the very few things they had to get any money for things they needed outside of their communities/territory. The area they used to call home, the resources they used to have to sustain themselves have all been greatly reduced to the point many have little choice but to go out and use money to get things in other communities other then their own.
And they're freely allowed to make, sell & trade between their own communities.
You call them illegal.... sorry, but they're only illegal to you and other non-natives.... between themselves, they're perfectly legal. Whatever happens when they leave their hands and their community isn't their concern. If you or others decide to purchase these products, then you're the ones breaking the law, not them.
And sorry, but I'd rather buy smokes from natives than from some over-taxed big corp. business that loads theirs up with extra chemicals and crap so that they're "Smoother."
Man, get a friggin clue will ya?
They've frozen their food products for a lot longer then most europeans have. Many Inuit communities have large underground, hand built freezers made into the ice to keep much of their food stocks frozen.... SO THEY LAST LONGER. There is only a certain window of opportunity in the year to get a good stock of food, even other fishermen in Canada know this... and they need to freeze their supplies so that they can last through until the next season. Oh, but it's a bad thing now that they can get a hold of technology, make it easier and other native communities can do this too??
Sorry, I didn't know the federal government and you held all rights and ownership on freezers & fridges. Last I heard, most freezers & fridges these days come from China and Korea.
The amount of fish & shellfish they take as a whole is minuscule compared to how much the rest of the country takes.
Indians can do business like everyone else, but they have to pay the same taxes as everyone else. Organized crime is rife in the tobacco trade, because it's illegal, so big surprise, it gives Indians a bad reputation. If this is what they want, they will be hassled, fined, and jailed, just like anyone else who breaks the law.
I do not agree with letting the tax base shrink, and letting Indians sell contraband cigarettes, shrinks the tax base. This means I willI have to pay more taxes for services and I will never agree with that. Big corporations pay taxes, they assist the tax base. They legally hire, and pay benefits to thousands of employees. These law abiding employees have to worry about criminals stealing their tobacco and reselling it.
I read in the paper a while back, a tobacco salesman had a sign put on his car, which was carrying tobacco, that he and/or his family would be hurt unless he gave up the tobacco he was carrying. The police must strongly enforce the law and reduce the amount of contraband tobacco in the country. Contraband tobacco encourages crime and violence, so it has to be stopped.
I do not agree with letting the tax base shrink, and letting Indians sell contraband cigarettes, shrinks the tax base. This means I willI have to pay more taxes for services and I will never agree with that. Big corporations pay taxes, they assist the tax base. They legally hire, and pay benefits to thousands of employees. These law abiding employees have to worry about criminals stealing their tobacco and reselling it.
I read in the paper a while back, a tobacco salesman had a sign put on his car, which was carrying tobacco, that he and/or his family would be hurt unless he gave up the tobacco he was carrying. The police must strongly enforce the law and reduce the amount of contraband tobacco in the country. Contraband tobacco encourages crime and violence, so it has to be stopped.
At the G8 most of the violence was instigated by the police. How would you go about stopping that?
It's not the same thing. The police at the G8 Summit in Toronto were out of line and while I haven't followed the story, some were punished. I remember a headline I saw on the news about that from the Toronto Star, it said, "Is this close enough for you chief?" Because the police chief used the lame excuse cops couldn't be identititied so they couldn't be charged. The police also showed on TV weapons they were not confiscated.
This crap shouldn't be allowed either, no one is above the law. That's the theory, it does not always occur in practice, but it's called democracy and equality. Traditional socieities don't believe in it. Aboriginals want their cake and eat it too. They like the modern cake, oh yes, that tastes very nice, but still say they're traditional. Laughable.
When did we start talking about people from India?
Tobacco is still a legal product and so is its trade.... the only reason why people seek out cheaper smokes is simply because it's cheaper, because people are sick of paying for a legal product that is taxed by a insane amount.
^ This is an Indian
^ This is a Native (American)
^ These are Inuit (Native Americans who generally live in the Arctic Areas)
Figure it out you friggin ignorant racist.
They're only contraband if "YOU" buy them from them..... if you buy them, then you're the one breaking the law, not them.
Stealing "Their" tobacco?
Gee, I can't imagine a bunch of Native Ninjas sneaking through a back window of Big Corp Tobacco and looting them of all their tobacco late at night.... I never realized how big of a problem this was. *gasps* 8O
Here's some more education for you:
CBC News In Depth: Smoking
"On February 28, 2003, major Canadian tobacco company JTI-MacDonald Corp. and some of its former executives were charged with fraud after an investigation into alleged smuggling of cigarettes in the 1990s.
RCMP laid charges against the company, accusing it of supplying the Canadian black market with Canadian-blend tobacco products manufactured in Canada and Puerto Rico.
Police laid six counts of fraud against JTI-MacDonald Corp., formerly known as RJR-MacDonald, Inc., and several of its subsidiaries, alleging the companies conspired to defraud the governments of Canada, Ontario and Quebec out of $1.2 billion in tax revenue between 1991 and 1996."
And some more information:
Tobacco firms to pay $550M over smuggling
Tobacco firms to pay $550M over smuggling - Canada - CBC News
Nice little story with no source backing it up for us to know any further details. Was it ever noted who put this note on his car?
Based on your limited details, it could have been some evil gang smuggling smokes..... or it could have been one of those anti-smoking nut jobs thinking he's killing people with his evil product.
Then the police ought to arrest the buyers of these contraband cigarettes. That would help eliminate this market. All they need to do is situate a cop where they are sold and that could end it.
The corporations who did the illegal acts must be punished.
The corporations who did the illegal acts must be punished.