Birth control to save the planet

Cliffy

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Does not the size of a carbon footprint depend upon the size of one's boots, or is this just one more of those hackneyed phrases. (ret)
Carbon footprint is a bit a misnomer because it doesn't give an accurate description. A "garbage footprint" would be a little more accurate.
 

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I guess if you think there is a god that created man in his own image, that image you have makes sense. Only problem is, it is all in your imagination and has no practical application in the real world. Humanity has raped and pillaged his way to the top of the garbage heap he has created of this planet with his imaginary god. Humanity is not the top of the evolutionary scale. He is far from it. His habit of crapping in his own drinking water puts him far below most mammals. You might notice that the only other animals that do that are ones that have been domesticated by man.

Man is at the fulcrum of the natural and divine. He is, potentially, the peak of creation, but can easily fall into the most degraded depths imaginable.. but not as you state.

He does so by removing himself from God, by pandering to all and only that which is animal within him.. the carnal, the selfish, the futile (like homosexuality ;-)). And yes by doing so he can scatter all that is human, and descend to that which is purely animal within him.

But unlike other animals, he has no excuse, so i suppose you are half right, cliffy. :smile:
 

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Carbon footprint is a bit a misnomer because it doesn't give an accurate description. A "garbage footprint" would be a little more accurate.
Pollution/intrusion footprint would be as close as one can get.
 

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Man is at the fulcrum of the natural and divine. He is, potentially, the peak of creation, but can easily fall into the most degraded depths imaginable.. but not as you state.

He does so by removing himself from God, by pandering to all and only that which is animal within him.. the carnal, the selfish, the futile (like homosexuality ;-)). And yes by doing so he can scatter all that is human, and descend to that which is purely animal within him.

But unlike other animals, he has no excuse, so i suppose you are half right, cliffy. :smile:
lmao
Perhaps humans are the fulcrum of the divine, but hardly the fulcrum of the natural. The Earth and life on it was doing quite well before man decided he could manipulate nature better than nature. After that everything started going downhill and humans stopped being a symbiote and became a parasyte. There's no basis in fact or science for your Creationist aSSumptions.
 

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lmao
Perhaps humans are the fulcrum of the divine, but hardly the fulcrum of the natural. The Earth and life on it was doing quite well before man decided he could manipulate nature better than nature. After that everything started going downhill and humans stopped being a symbiote and became a parasyte. There's no basis in fact or science for your Creationist aSSumptions.

'Science' without a basis in the Truth of Creation, is not about fact either, it is just its own form of occult belief system.
 

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'Science' without a basis in the Truth of Creation, is not about fact either, it is just its own form of occult belief system.
Cool. I didn't think you'd actually admit to being so ignorant, but there it is in black and white.
 

coldstream

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Cool. I didn't think you'd actually admit to being so ignorant, but there it is in black and white.

But science founded on Truth, is the only real science, everything else is a pretender. That is why Theology is called the Queen of Sciences.. it is the root in which all real knowledge originates. Sorry to disappoint you, Anna, but you've totally misinterpreted my black and white assertion.

What we have seen in contemporary science is an inundation of psuedo and 'social' sciences.. all products of political agendas.. masquerading as real science. The 'science' of population is one of those. In fact most of the 'environmental' sciences are too, the most aggregious of those is Global Warming, which is an outright fraud, aimed at enriching the ilk of Al Gore.

They ignore transcendent realities, and, get lost in a reductive rationalism that is intended to prove a predetermined outcome. Hence you start with 'population will ruin the planet' and work backward from there. That when any circumspect and objective analysis of history will show you just the opposite is true.

Population growth has consistently led to advances in technology, social organization, culture and art. Population decline produces poverty, famine, environmental degradation, and an exhaustion of civilizing impulses.
 
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Cliffy

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And theology starts with the preconceived idea that all things were created by a god and works backwards from there. Your selective reasoning is no different than the sciences you rail against. You choose to approach life from your angle and others from theirs. There is no difference. What you fail to understand is that there are no absolutes except in your little world.

Every religion has its own theologians who base their study on their particular brand of dogma, so within the theological community there is no consensus of opinion either. Your transcendent realities are all relative to the particular dogma of the observer. Your whole argument is as full of holes as that you accuse science of.
 

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But science founded on Truth, is the only real science, everything else is a pretender. That is why Theology is called the Queen of Sciences.. it is the root in which all real knowledge originates. Sorry to disappoint you, Anna, but you've totally misinterpreted my black and white assertion.

What we have seen in contemporary science is an inundation of psuedo and 'social' sciences.. all products of political agendas.. masquerading as real science. The 'science' of population is one of those. In fact most of the 'environmental' sciences are too, the most aggregious of those is Global Warming, which is an outright fraud, aimed at enriching the ilk of Al Gore.
Perhaps I did misinterpret your B&W assertion. But, theology is the rational and systematic study of religion and its influences. It is basically a part of cultural anthropology. I would hardly call it the basis of knowledge.
I agree that there has been a lot of political and other nonsense attached to the science of a lot of things. But that is not science. That is editorialising ABOUT science.
Prove global warming is a fraud. You can't. Any of the science I have seen regarding it has been pointing to it as fact. There are a few people here and there who present pretty good arguments against the idea that the globe is warming, but no-one can refute the data and the data shows a general long-term warming.warming.
Asw far as what is a science and what isn't goes, a social science like cultural anthropology is just as much a science as mathematics or psychology. It is basically the study of humans.

They ignore transcendent realities, and, get lost in a reductive rationalism that is intended to prove a predetermined outcome. Hence you start with 'population will ruin the planet' and work backward from there. That when any circumspect and objective analysis of history will show you just the opposite is true.
Show me how the reduction of biodiversity, fresh water supplies, overcrowding farmlands with more and more people will be healthy for the planet.

Population growth has consistently led to advances in technology, social organization, culture and art. Population decline produces poverty, famine, environmental degradation, and an exhaustion of civilizing impulses.
lmao You are warped.
 

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And theology starts with the preconceived idea that all things were created by a god and works backwards from there. Your selective reasoning is no different than the sciences you rail against. You choose to approach life from your angle and others from theirs. There is no difference. What you fail to understand is that there are no absolutes except in your little world.

Every religion has its own theologians who base their study on their particular brand of dogma, so within the theological community there is no consensus of opinion either. Your transcendent realities are all relative to the particular dogma of the observer. Your whole argument is as full of holes as that you accuse science of.

Theology is known as the queen of sciences because it has been thought that the study of God, by definition the source of all truth, informed and illuminated all other branches of knowledge.

Far from working backwards, an theological groundwork organizes the imagination to a fundamental truth of origins.

There is a reason why the West has been the crucible of all the worlds advanced sciences, research and technology for the past millenia. It stems from the great universities, all formed fundamentally as theological exponents within the Church, and from which the scientific empirical method developed.

All science corresponds to a fundamental view of creation. Once Western science decided the relativistic maxims of mathematics and indeterminancy were the Queens of Science, the whole process became wayward, becoming increasingly political, trivial.. and finally projected boundless belief systems within themselves. Look at mess modern physics is in, which hasn't produced any useful technology since WW2.

It's become a conceit, with its own tenured priesthood, promulgating an atheistic dogma.
 

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I think it has more to do with the behaviour of the people on the planet than the actual numbers.
 

AnnaG

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Theology is known as the queen of sciences because it has been thought that the study of God, by definition the source of all truth, informed and illuminated all other branches of knowledge.

Far from working backwards, an theological groundwork organizes the imagination to a fundamental truth of origins.

There is a reason why the West has been the crucible of all the worlds advanced sciences, research and technology for the past millenia. It stems from the great universities, all formed fundamentally as theological exponents within the Church, and from which the scientific empirical method developed.

All science corresponds to a fundamental view of creation. Once Western science decided the relativistic maxims of mathematics and indeterminancy were the Queens of Science, the whole process became wayward, becoming increasingly political, trivial.. and finally projected boundless belief systems within themselves. Look at mess modern physics is in, which hasn't produced any useful technology since WW2.

It's become a conceit, with its own tenured priesthood, promulgating an atheistic dogma.
wow I think you not only are an inquisitor, but are also living somewhere between 1500 and 1800. I have no idea wheere you've been living but there have been quite a few advances. The discovery that neutrinos have mass and that the expansion of the universe is accelerating are two biggies I have read about. Some guys even got the Nobel for work that added to work explaining why the universe exists. Then there is this stuff:

Major Physics Breakthrough In Understanding Supersolidity

You don't get out much, do you, Mr. Stream? Too busy with your nose in everyone else's bedrooms or the Bible to read or discover anything else maybe?
 

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Since WW2!? Where have you been? What did you type that message on?

Well, it can't have had semi-conductors as part of it's electronic suite. Nothing useful since WWII...I could throw an open can of Alphagetti at the wall and it would still make more sense than the garbage you post in science threads.
 

Cliffy

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Well, it can't have had semi-conductors as part of it's electronic suite. Nothing useful since WWII...I could throw an open can of Alphagetti at the wall and it would still make more sense than the garbage you post in science threads.
Who are you aiming this response, Dexter or Coldstream?
 

Cliffy

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Coldstream,
"Theology is known as the queen of sciences because it has been thought that the study of God, by definition the source of all truth, informed and illuminated all other branches of knowledge."

Are there any Buddhist theologians, or Hindu or Muslim or Native American? Not that I've heard of. It seems to be something that is only relevant to Christianity, which is the Disney version of religion. Your god is one of many thousands that have passed our way and have passed on. Your god is overdue for retirement as he has outlived his usefulness.

The proof of anything is in the pudding and there is no pudding in the bowl of Christianity. We have outgrown our need for psychopathic tyrants to rule over us (at least many of us have).
 

AnnaG

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Who are you aiming this response, Dexter or Coldstream?
Cliffy, I am pretty sure it was directed at Mr. Stream. lol Gawd, you are funny sometimes. But, then he did quote Dexter. I think Tonington might have boobooed. lol