Best news I've heard for years.

[Cannuck]

Finally, an intelligent idea from Trump. Given how the death penalty has completely eliminated murder in states where it has been brought in, the war on drugs is effectively over.

Personally, I hope Trump goes a few steps further and kills anyone convicted of a crime. Think of how prices would drop once shoplifting losses are eliminated. In fact, I think they should go even further than that and target speeders as well. The bureaucrats tell us speed is a factor in most accidents. Think of the children.

 

[taxslave]

Not when it violates the Federal Constitution, specifically the Eighth Amendment.


Supreme Court justices aren't elected. Neither are any other Federal judges.

Time for change. Can't remember exactly how yours are picked but ours are appointed by the PM and get to stay long past their best before date. SO by electing the right leaders long enough we can effectively stack the court. But it takes time.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Time for change. Can't remember exactly how yours are picked but ours are appointed by the PM and get to stay long past their best before date. SO by electing the right leaders long enough we can effectively stack the court. But it takes time.

All Federal judges are nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate.

 

[Dixie Cup]

I have heard several pain specialists state that if you have chronic pain, you cannot get addicted to the meds that relieve you of this pain. The doses some people take to mitigate their pain would kill anyone else. So it's a fallacy to say that people who have chronic pain are "addicted" to their pain killers. That is totally not true.


However, if you have pain (say from a broken arm/leg) and are prescribed an opioid, then the prescription should be shredded and a request for Tylenol 3 or 4 should be made instead. This is where the doctors have failed their patients in prescribing opioids when completely unnecessary. Unfortunately, those who actually need them are now the ones suffering only because those in charge are dictating (to even pain specialists) as to the need for a patient's medication; they know nothing of the patients history or their circumstances and the patients have to pay the price for something that is a street problem. Suicide is their only out because they can't deal with the pain and no one gives a damn! Up until this arbitrary decision, they were living life, working and enjoying their families.


I sincerely hope that those making these stupid decisions end up having the very pain they are saddling others with so they know what they've done. Cutting people off who legitimately need these medications will not do anything to stop the deaths on the street. One has nothing to do with the other and even the government admits there are no stats that say there is a correlation. Total stupidity is what has led to this.


JMHO

 

[Cannuck]

Time for change. Can't remember exactly how yours are picked but ours are appointed by the PM and get to stay long past their best before date. SO by electing the right leaders long enough we can effectively stack the court. But it takes time.

Taxslave wants the same people that elected Trudeau to elect our judges.

 

[Hoid]

I have heard several pain specialists state that if you have chronic pain, you cannot get addicted to the meds that relieve you of this pain.

that is obviously not true.

you are either making it up or you have misunderstood what they were saying.

Anyone can get addicted to meds.

 

[JLM]

I have heard several pain specialists state that if you have chronic pain, you cannot get addicted to the meds that relieve you of this pain. The doses some people take to mitigate their pain would kill anyone else. So it's a fallacy to say that people who have chronic pain are "addicted" to their pain killers. That is totally not true.


However, if you have pain (say from a broken arm/leg) and are prescribed an opioid, then the prescription should be shredded and a request for Tylenol 3 or 4 should be made instead. This is where the doctors have failed their patients in prescribing opioids when completely unnecessary. Unfortunately, those who actually need them are now the ones suffering only because those in charge are dictating (to even pain specialists) as to the need for a patient's medication; they know nothing of the patients history or their circumstances and the patients have to pay the price for something that is a street problem. Suicide is their only out because they can't deal with the pain and no one gives a damn! Up until this arbitrary decision, they were living life, working and enjoying their families.


I sincerely hope that those making these stupid decisions end up having the very pain they are saddling others with so they know what they've done. Cutting people off who legitimately need these medications will not do anything to stop the deaths on the street. One has nothing to do with the other and even the government admits there are no stats that say there is a correlation. Total stupidity is what has led to this.


JMHO

That is great news Dixie, I know your posts are generally reliable so hope this one proves to be the same. I suffer from sciatica about 50% of the time varying from mild pain to excruciating pain at times, which Tylenol 2s have been managing, but I've only been taking them when absolutely necessary either to reduce intense pain or to be able to keep up my regular exercise routine, but I have a few days when that isn't possible. I'm limited to 8 pills a day, but have been trying to keep it down to 4 or 6. Thanks for the tip, Dixie.

 

[Dixie Cup]

that is obviously not true.

you are either making it up or you have misunderstood what they were saying.

Anyone can get addicted to meds.

No, I am not making it up and it is true. Check it out for yourself. Stupidity and simplification is not going to stop the street deaths and politicians aren't the ones who should be making these life and death decisions - doctors who understand their patients do. The Medical Establishment has become too political and do not have patients best interests at heart.


There is a difference (btw) between being addicted and having a requirement for the medication to mitigate pain - you're likely confusing the two.


JMHO

 

[JLM]

No, I am not making it up and it is true. Check it out for yourself. Stupidity and simplification is not going to stop the street deaths and politicians aren't the ones who should be making these life and death decisions - doctors who understand their patients do. The Medical Establishment has become too political and do not have patients best interests at heart.


There is a difference (btw) between being addicted and having a requirement for the medication to mitigate pain - you're likely confusing the two.


JMHO

That a girl, stand your ground, you have credibility on your side!

 

[Dixie Cup]

That is great news Dixie, I know your posts are generally reliable so hope this one proves to be the same. I suffer from sciatica about 50% of the time varying from mild pain to excruciating pain at times, which Tylenol 2s have been managing, but I've only been taking them when absolutely necessary either to reduce intense pain or to be able to keep up my regular exercise routine, but I have a few days when that isn't possible. I'm limited to 8 pills a day, but have been trying to keep it down to 4 or 6. Thanks for the tip, Dixie.

Yes, I wasn't aware of this either until I heard a conversation on the radio on the way home from my brother's house (lives out of town) between two pain specialists talking about chronic pain and how it was dealt with by pain clinics. Because my brother suffers from chronic pain from when he was in the military, I immediately called him and told him about what I had heard on the radio because, at that point in time, he was having difficulty with his medication in trying to mitigate the pain to be more manageable.


The radio conversation was before this war on opioids btw. Roy Greene has been tackling this subject on his radio show. HIs wife passed away from cancer and I suspect that's why he's so adamant about people being able to control chronic pain. He's even had the Minister of Health on his show and she had to admit that she could not provide proof of prescribed opioids by doctors to patients who have chronic pain, a correlation to the deaths on the street. No study has been done to see how many of the OD's were from street drugs or stolen prescribed drugs vs prescribed drugs to patients who need them nor could she support the arbitrary actions taken by the government and the medical societies. In other words, it's been a knee-jerk reaction to a very real problem - STREET DRUGS that kill. .


It's disgusting to see what the government and the Medical Societies are doing to the average person who was coping quite well on the medications they have been taking and now they're being cut-off for absolutely no reason at all. They aren't the drug abusers -


It's painting thousands of people with the same brush - not unlike saying all Muslims are terrorists. Neither are true and the government and medical establishment should know better.


JMHO

 

[JLM]

Yes, I wasn't aware of this either until I heard a conversation on the radio on the way home from my brother's house (lives out of town) between two pain specialists talking about chronic pain and how it was dealt with by pain clinics. Because my brother suffers from chronic pain from when he was in the military, I immediately called him and told him about what I had heard on the radio because, at that point in time, he was having difficulty with his medication in trying to mitigate the pain to be more manageable.


The radio conversation was before this war on opioids btw. Roy Greene has been tackling this subject on his radio show. HIs wife passed away from cancer and I suspect that's why he's so adamant about people being able to control chronic pain. He's even had the Minister of Health on his show and she had to admit that she could not provide proof of prescribed opioids by doctors to patients who have chronic pain, a correlation to the deaths on the street. No study has been done to see how many of the OD's were from street drugs or stolen prescribed drugs vs prescribed drugs to patients who need them nor could she support the arbitrary actions taken by the government and the medical societies. In other words, it's been a knee-jerk reaction to a very real problem - STREET DRUGS that kill. .


It's disgusting to see what the government and the Medical Societies are doing to the average person who was coping quite well on the medications they have been taking and now they're being cut-off for absolutely no reason at all. They aren't the drug abusers -


It's painting thousands of people with the same brush - not unlike saying all Muslims are terrorists. Neither are true and the government and medical establishment should know better.


JMHO

I hear you! (And don't pay any attention to "reds" beside posts............they are the weapon of weak minds)

 

[Hoid]

No, I am not making it up and it is true. Check it out for yourself. Stupidity and simplification is not going to stop the street deaths and politicians aren't the ones who should be making these life and death decisions - doctors who understand their patients do. The Medical Establishment has become too political and do not have patients best interests at heart.


There is a difference (btw) between being addicted and having a requirement for the medication to mitigate pain - you're likely confusing the two.


JMHO

it is doctors who have created the epidemic.

 

[Murphy]

No, I am not making it up and it is true. Check it out for yourself. Stupidity and simplification is not going to stop the street deaths and politicians aren't the ones who should be making these life and death decisions - doctors who understand their patients do. The Medical Establishment has become too political and do not have patients best interests at heart.


There is a difference (btw) between being addicted and having a requirement for the medication to mitigate pain - you're likely confusing the two.


JMHO

I wouldn't respond. He does this purposely. He's childish and enjoys watching others hurt.

 

[captain morgan]

I wouldn't respond. He does this purposely. He's childish and enjoys watching others hurt.

Yep, that's the attitude of the typical leftoid, especially the ones that lie about living on the West coast

 

[Dixie Cup]

it is doctors who have created the epidemic.

If you read my initial post, I did say that the doctors can't be completely absolved of medicating patients with "temporary" pain with opioids. But they're not the ones selling the stuff and mixing fentanyl with other drugs that kill.


Where are the pushers getting these drugs? No one, not government politicians or cops seems to give a crap about the pushers; lets just force doctors, specifically pain specialists, to quite prescribing to those who really need them. Again, a simplistic, arbitrary solution to a very serious problem and innocent people who actually require these drugs to live a "fairly" normal life are the ones who suffer; people who without these drugs have suicide plans because the pain they suffer is so severe they cannot cope. But who cares right? They're the "easy" ones; it's too hard to go after the real problem.


It's disgusting and immoral.


JMHO

 

[JLM]

it is doctors who have created the epidemic.

So you are saying the traffickers and importers from places like Columbia and the Middle East aren't playing a big role in the problem? A guy from British Columbia has just been convicted in Washington or Oregon of flying pot down there and returning with crack cocaine or the like. But according to you he doesn't play a role? Give your head a shake! With that mentality the problem will never be solved. Get a back bone!