Benghazi scandal tied to White House

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DaSleeper said:
OK to harp on Ford....but leave Obama alone...
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So I guess Obama's problem is that only four people died in one incident. In that case, it is apparently perfectly fine to fixate on the issue for years.

But if he had made a million mistakes over and over again, you guys would just be like "OMG, another thread about Obama killing someone? Get over it!".

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Dude that was like... eleven years ago... what difference does it make.
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Lol, what exactly is the statute of limitations on lies that involve thousands of deaths or lying to win an election?
 
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Nice try? You suggested that there was no select committee investigation into this, and you are objectively wrong. I thought you were a big fan of objective facts just a few hours ago?



In what world is an investigation conducted by people who have clearly stated that they are biased against the people being investigated considered "independent"?

It is not a "clash of ideas" in any way. The republicans are just going to out vote the democrats on everything, the democrats will have no ability to compel anyone to appear before the committee. The only interests served by this will be the republicans. When this report is released, are you going to refer to it as the Republican view of this, or are you going to pretend that this was a legitimate investigation of the incident, because if it is the second one, that certainly doesn't support your "clash of ideas" claim.

Having politicians of any stripe conduct investigations is a farce and anyone with any respect for justice knows this. In no other setting would an investigation conducted by people who clearly state that they are biased before the investigation even starts be considered legitimate.
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Where have the Republicans stated that they are biased?

BornRuff said:
How many times do you need to post the same stories?
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He hasn't posted the same story. You are mistaken.

BornRuff said:
I guess it is semantics, but I consider writing about the same thing with no different information to be the same story.

What would it take for you to read my posts? If you did, you would see that I have brought up lots of different information as it pertains to each new point that is brought up.

Maybe you would like to actually add to this topic too?
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Maybe you would like to actually add to this topic too?

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There is no evidence to support the that claim. The US did send all the help that they could muster.
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What's your basis for the assertion contained in your post?
 
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Where have the Republicans stated that they are biased?
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The chair clearly said he was going to be biased because he feels that the Dems were biased.

“I can tell you this. It is not going to be evenly constituted and when she was Speaker Pelosi, she certainly showed no interests in having an equal number of Republicans and Democrats.”

Sounds very mature and productive, right?

Trey Gowdy Turns the Tables on Pelosi & Company With This Dose of Reality

BaalsTears said:
He hasn't posted the same story. You are mistaken.
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What did the second story contain that the first one didn't? How was the substance any different?

BaalsTears said:
Maybe you would like to actually add to this topic too?

What's your basis for the assertion contained in your post?
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http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/benghazi2014/benghazi.pdf

I know you think the conclusions are biased, but do you disagree with the statements of facts about people and assets that were in motion?
 
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BornRuff said:
The chair clearly said he was going to be biased because he feels that the Dems were biased.

“I can tell you this. It is not going to be evenly constituted and when she was Speaker Pelosi, she certainly showed no interests in having an equal number of Republicans and Democrats.”

Sounds very mature and productive, right?

Trey Gowdy Turns the Tables on Pelosi & Company With This Dose of Reality



What did the second story contain that the first one didn't? How was the substance any different?



http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/benghazi2014/benghazi.pdf

I know you think the conclusions are biased, but do you disagree with the statements of facts about people and assets that were in motion?
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What were the objectives of Ambassador Steven's meetings in Benghazi?

We need to know whether Obama learned from the Benghazi experience. If the answer is no, then America has experienced a simple failure.

We need to know whether the Benghazi experience has prepared Obama to anticipate the future. If the answer is another no, then America will experience an even greater failure.

And we need to know whether Obama has adjusted his current tactics to adapt to the current circumstances in the middle east generally and al Qaeda specifically. If the answer is a trifecta of no, then America will experience a catastrophic failure from which there is no recovery.

America can live with an Obama mistake. But it can’t live with an Obama who cannot acknowledge his mistakes.
 
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What were the objectives of Ambassador Steven's meetings in Benghazi?

We need to know whether Obama learned from the Benghazi experience. If the answer is no, then America has experienced a simple failure.

We need to know whether the Benghazi experience has prepared Obama to anticipate the future. If the answer is another no, then America will experience an even greater failure.

And we need to know whether Obama has adjusted his current tactics to adapt to the current circumstances in the middle east generally and al Qaeda specifically. If the answer is a trifecta of no, then America will experience a catastrophic failure from which there is no recovery.

America can live with an Obama mistake. But it can’t live with an Obama who cannot acknowledge his mistakes.
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If you can't address a single point in the post you quoted, why bother quoting it?

Just spewing canned talking points instead of addressing the answers to your own questions that you don't like isn't going to fly.

If you can't respond to them though, answer this.

How is a process, one in which the leader has already stated will be biased, going to help any of the points that you mentioned?
 
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The Japanese did not want to accept what Midway meant about their strategic assumptions and therefore they suppressed it. That was more damaging than the naval losses themselves. It was that failure to adjust to reality which doomed the empire.


The curious thing about September 11, 2012 — the day of the Benghazhi attack — is that for some reason it marks the decline of the Obama presidency as clearly as a milepost. We are told by the papers that nothing much happened on that day. A riot in a far-away country. A few people killed. And yet … it may be coincidental, but from that day the administration’s foreign policy seemed inexplicably hexed. The Arab Spring ground to a halt. The secretary of State “resigned.” The CIA director was cast out in disgrace. Not long after, Obama had to withdraw his red line in Syria. Al-Qaeda, whose eulogy he had pronounced, appeared with disturbing force throughout Africa, South Asia and the Arabian Peninsula. Almost as if on cue, Russia made an unexpected return to the world stage, first in Syria, then in the Iranian nuclear negotiations.
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BornRuff said:
If you can't address a single point in the post you quoted, why bother quoting it?

Just spewing canned talking points instead of addressing the answers to your own questions that you don't like isn't going to fly.

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If you can't address a single point in the post you quoted, why bother quoting it?

Just spewing canned talking points instead of addressing the answers to your own questions that you don't like isn't going to fly.
 
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If you can't address a single point in the post you quoted, why bother quoting it?

Just spewing canned talking points instead of addressing the answers to your own questions that you don't like isn't going to fly.
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Lol, you did it again. You ignored another question that was too hard to answer.

I will happily continue to answer your serious questions as long as you can at least follow up your own questions yourself. If you can't answer them, it is pretty transparent when you revert to canned talking points.
 
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I will happily continue to answer your serious questions as long as you can at least follow up your own questions yourself. If you can't answer them, it is pretty transparent when you revert to canned talking points.
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You're not going to answer my questions because you're not acting in good faith. Consequently, I have no obligation to you.
 
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BaalsTears said:
You're not going to answer my questions because you're not acting in good faith. Consequently, I have no obligation to you.
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The only question you asked was why Stevens was in Benghazi, and I already gave you my answer on that one.

Now your turn.

If you just want to get the last word, at least make that word something about the topics that you asked about.

I.e. if it is biased. The Chair of the select committee openly saying that this would be biased. Are you ok with that?

Or if they sent people and resources to Benghazi to back them up. It seems pretty clear that they did. Do you disagree?
 
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Http, not https you fool.

Anyways, how many times do you think you can ignore the basic facts and try to change the subject?

I will answer your questions when you answer my basic ones above.
 
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