BC's election

[petros]

Thank god the never ending clouds of BC stymie the even the brightest of moonbeams.

BC's hydrocarbon resources are going to pull it's azz up to at least break even and the moonbeams have no choice but go along.

There is going to be a lot of broken moonbeam hearts but broken hearts are for azzholes.





and moonbeams

 

[L Gilbert]

I got a phone call wanting to know who we were voting for in the election. I said we hadn't made up our minds. Then she began talking about the Liberal candidate in our riding. Then it clicked in my mind so I said you mean the provincial election. Yes indeed would I vote for the candidate, I had to laugh as I told the caller that no I would not be voting Liberal. I imagine the caller will get that answer a lot here. Isn't it a bit early for campaigning, or has Clarke called the election?

I think if I got that sort of call, I'd tell them I was voting the Anarchist Party. Will probably vote Indie, Refederation Party, Patriot Party, or Pot Party.

 

[L Gilbert]

So we got 6 or 7 emails between the two of us from a few Dipper candidates asking for money. We composed a reply mentioning a few things like the fact that every time the Dippers got in, the provincial debt pretty much doubled, businesses left the province, people left the province, etc., and we were voting for the Anarchy Party if there's a candidate in this area. lol

No reply yet. We were rather expecting a flood of spam about how the Dippers would turn BC into a veritable cornucopia of paradises, nirvanas, etc.

 

[JLM]

Aha, got the second Liberal phone call last night. No person on the other end just a recorded voice. I hung up not wasting my time with them!

I have yet to make up my mind here too Christianna, I'm not favouring any party as they are all pretty much exactly the same, so what I did is sent an email to each of the three candidates here with about a dozen questions and if I get sensible answers from any of them that is who I will likely vote for. The N.D.P. here is already off to a bad start in my books. They have about 2 dozen signs out spaced 20' apart, which shows either the candidate is an idiot or he has at least one idiot working for him. If N.D.P. REALLY cared about the environment they wouldn't be creating eyes. To be quite honest I have very little use for any of the bastards, but I they'll do what they think will give them a better chance to wallow in the trough and collect the fat pension. I voted N.D.P. for over 30 years and carried their card for about five until I saw the light..........very greedy and selfish people, not all of them but a good percentage. While they may be on the side of the "employee", they are no friend of the WORKING man.

So we got 6 or 7 emails between the two of us from a few Dipper candidates asking for money. We composed a reply mentioning a few things like the fact that every time the Dippers got in, the provincial debt pretty much doubled, businesses left the province, people left the province, etc., and we were voting for the Anarchy Party if there's a candidate in this area. lol

No reply yet. We were rather expecting a flood of spam about how the Dippers would turn BC into a veritable cornucopia of paradises, nirvanas, etc.

Yep, you've about got them pegged Les.

I think if I got that sort of call, I'd tell them I was voting the Anarchist Party. Will probably vote Indie, Refederation Party, Patriot Party, or Pot Party.

Rhinoceros makes about as much sense as any of them. But I guess they are "hors de combat" now.

 

[damngrumpy]

It is said the NDP will destroy the Province and the Liberals are the best financial managers.
Let us look at the present for a moment. All the debt in the Province amounted to about 27
billion give or take since we became a Province. That is Liberal, conservative, Socred, and
the NDP. Now the debt is over 67 billion. The present Government the Liberals have
doubled the debt in twelve years not bad eh?
As for balancing the budget didn't happen it is a huge mess and the figures are balanced
based on properties they haven't sold yet.
The election promise now is (the Liberals) we will balance the books based on current prices
for resources that won't be known until after the 2017 election. Does that sound like a good
plan to you?
The NDP will run deficit budges until the last year of their mandate, likely because if you yank
the chain too hard the economy will stumble, into a worse state. They have said they will
bring balance in the fourth year. Ame I hopeful? If they hope to be returned after one term they
better keep their word so in that sense I am hopeful.

The problem is one side cannot call the other a liar because one has already lied and the jury is
still out on the NDP. Short of a lightning strike or you know who making His second coming the
NDP will make a return to government. The reason? The Liberals didn't keep their promises and
made the worst mess in the history of the Province. Yes this has been the worst govenment we
have had counting every Premier in our history

 

[L Gilbert]

It's an opinion. I don't share it, Grumpy. And that doesn't mean I am a Liberal fan either. As far as I'm concerned that blundering, arrogant fool, Campbull, is right up there with any Dipper. Same for the current pinhead. But also, the state of gov't bureaucracy doesn't help matters any, either.

 

[Cliffy]

We have a young, 29 year old, running as independent. He has experience on village council and runs his own carpentry business. His platform is pretty impressive. I like the idea of independents not encumbered by party loyalty, I would prefer to see all candidates run as independents and do away with the whole party BS altogether. I like this young man. Has energy, smarts and chutzpah! I think you may have guessed where I am going to vote.

 

[JLM]

We have a young, 29 year old, running as independent. He has experience on village council and runs his own carpentry business. His platform is pretty impressive. I like the idea of independents not encumbered by party loyalty, I would prefer to see all candidates run as independents and do away with the whole party BS altogether. I like this young man. Has energy, smarts and chutzpah! I think you may have guessed where I am going to vote.

Good for you Cliffy. Stay tuned I'll be posting regarding a bad misconception by a lot of people.

It is said the NDP will destroy the Province and the Liberals are the best financial managers.
Let us look at the present for a moment. All the debt in the Province amounted to about 27
billion give or take since we became a Province. That is Liberal, conservative, Socred, and
the NDP. Now the debt is over 67 billion. The present Government the Liberals have
doubled the debt in twelve years not bad eh?

I'd just like to clear up a couple of misperceptions, first that $27 billion you quote was based on dollar value all the way from 1871 to 2000, so the present debt isn't as horrendous as it sounds. Secondly, gov'ts have very little to do with the economy- do you REALLY think Gordon Campbell had all that power? Sure I suppose he had the power where he could have raised taxes to lower the debt, but who would be the first to be screaming? I think the N.D.P. will probably form the next Gov't. BUT every one should take note. One of two things is going to happen, either our taxes are going up or I'm predicting in a year's time the debt will still be VERY close to $67 billion. Now I'll admit I could be wrong as they did do one thing right back in 1975 when they established the A.L.R. ...........but then Bingogate kind of negated any good done there. LOL

Yes this has been the worst govenment we
have had counting every Premier in our history

You've forgotten Glen Clark, his term was worse than all the others put together..............I know that for sure, all my boys fled to Alberta to avoid starvation.

 

[damngrumpy]

No this government is worse they already have reached the 67 billion dollar mark and are going
to pass it if left unattended by the electorate.
The problem with electing independents is they have no clout what so ever. Their speaking time
is limited and their over all capability is diminished. I know good people who would make fine
independents but they also realize they won't have any measurable say in the affairs of the Province
and their ideas will likely never be heard. Unfortunate but true.
And yes the current financial mess is already closing in on 67 billion.
Glen Clarke is actually working at a successful career working for the Jimmy Pattison Group ain't that
interesting?

 

[JLM]

No this government is worse they already have reached the 67 billion dollar mark and are going
to pass it if left unattended by the electorate.
The problem with electing independents is they have no clout what so ever. Their speaking time
is limited and their over all capability is diminished. I know good people who would make fine
independents but they also realize they won't have any measurable say in the affairs of the Province
and their ideas will likely never be heard. Unfortunate but true.
And yes the current financial mess is already closing in on 67 billion.
Glen Clarke is actually working at a successful career working for the Jimmy Pattison Group ain't that
interesting?

That was a bit of a surprise, but not too much, Jimmy has probably done a questionable thing or two to get where he is, but still a strange pair of bed fellows!

No this government is worse they already have reached the 67 billion dollar mark and are going
to pass it if left unattended by the electorate.
The problem with electing independents is they have no clout what so ever. Their speaking time
is limited and their over all capability is diminished. I know good people who would make fine
independents but they also realize they won't have any measurable say in the affairs of the Province
and their ideas will likely never be heard. Unfortunate but true.
And yes the current financial mess is already closing in on 67 billion.
Glen Clarke is actually working at a successful career working for the Jimmy Pattison Group ain't that
interesting?

Just out of interest Grumpy, if the N.D.P. becomes Gov't. what is your guess the debt level will be at the end of their term? I'm going to guess $125 billion.

 

[Cliffy]

That was a bit of a surprise, but not too much, Jimmy has probably done a questionable thing or two to get where he is, but still a strange pair of bed fellows!

Just proves to me just how little difference there is between BC's so called socialists and capitalists. Like any other good billionaire, he was probably financing both parties.
Patterson is BC's home grown puppet master.

 

[JLM]

Just proves to me just how little difference there is between BC's so called socialists and capitalists. Like any other good billionaire, he was probably financing both parties.
Patterson is BC's home grown puppet master.

Yep, hypocrites are found in all stripes!

 

[Cliffy]

The problem with electing independents is they have no clout what so ever.

If we elected enough independents to cause a minority government, then they would have clout. We don't need a majority government (dictatorship). We should have learned our lesson by now. The feds have 3 party system, we have 2. Time to start thinking outside the box. What e have has not worked in the last 50 years or more.

 

[JLM]

If we elected enough independents to cause a minority government, then they would have clout. We don't need a majority government (dictatorship). We should have learned our lesson by now. The feds have 3 party system, we have 2. Time to start thinking outside the box. What e have has not worked in the last 50 years or more.

Yep, these parties are bullsh*t, maybe not the N.D.P. so much, they'll give you whatever the hell you want and then tax the sh8t out of you to pay for it and fatten up the trough a little bit. People who get themselves beholden to any political party are just not playing with a full deck. I was stupid for many years but at least I learned from it!

 

[Mowich]

We have a young, 29 year old, running as independent. He has experience on village council and runs his own carpentry business. His platform is pretty impressive. I like the idea of independents not encumbered by party loyalty, I would prefer to see all candidates run as independents and do away with the whole party BS altogether. I like this young man. Has energy, smarts and chutzpah! I think you may have guessed where I am going to vote.

I am definitely leaning towards the independent running in our constituency too, Cliffy. Will never vote NDP and sure as heck wont' vote Lib. There is a greenie running too but he would see the entire province turn into one big park from what I have heard him say.

Many folks around here that aren't died-in-the-wool party followers of one ilk or another are having a hard time deciding who to vote for this time around. Would be rather interesting if this election more indies than ever were elected.

 

[JLM]

I am definitely leaning towards the independent running in our constituency too, Cliffy. Will never vote NDP and sure as heck wont' vote Lib. There is a greenie running too but he would see the entire province turn into one big park from what I have heard him say.

Many folks around here that aren't died-in-the-wool party followers of one ilk or another are having a hard time deciding who to vote for this time around. Would be rather interesting if this election more indies than ever were elected.

Good for you Mowich, after a lifetime of being more or less interested in politics at some level, I'm disillusioned with pretty much the entire process- I do NOT trust ANY party, at least when you are voting for an independent you are not voting for "somebody's Toby". Of course I care about what happens in the country generally, but realize outside of your own constituency you have very little control over it and furthermore a party candidate in your constituency has very little control over it (He/she can't, as you can't serve two bosses.......the premier and the electorate.) The independent only has to concern him/her self with what the electorate wants and is not beholden to any honcho.

 

[Mowich]

Good for you Mowich, after a lifetime of being more or less interested in politics at some level, I'm disillusioned with pretty much the entire process- I do NOT trust ANY party, at least when you are voting for an independent you are not voting for "somebody's Toby". Of course I care about what happens in the country generally, but realize outside of your own constituency you have very little control over it and furthermore a party candidate in your constituency has very little control over it (He/she can't, as you can't serve two bosses.......the premier and the electorate.) The independent only has to concern him/her self with what the electorate wants and is not beholden to any honcho.

Disillusioned, disgusted and fed right up, JLM. I have also had a strong interest in politics all my life, coming as I did from a very political family. Where once I had the hope of youth, I now have little belief that any party of any stripe can truly change things. I believe it is the entrenched bureaucrats that really run our country - provincially or federally - and that the current flavor in government does little more than bend to their wishes.

 

[L Gilbert]

The problem with electing independents is they have no clout what so ever. Their speaking time
is limited and their over all capability is diminished.

Unless enough of them were voted for.

I know good people who would make fine
independents but they also realize they won't have any measurable say in the affairs of the Province
and their ideas will likely never be heard. Unfortunate but true.

So they become just another lamb of the nearest Sheeple Party to continue with the status quo. That's so very helpful, isn't it?

 

[talloola]

Disillusioned, disgusted and fed right up, JLM. I have also had a strong interest in politics all my life, coming as I did from a very political family. Where once I had the hope of youth, I now have little belief that any party of any stripe can truly change things. I believe it is the entrenched bureaucrats that really run our country - provincially or federally - and that the current flavor in government does little more than bend to their wishes.

I so much agree with you, its the money and the power of corporations filling the piggy banks in government,
for the right to favours, in the states they call them lobbyists, guess its the same here.

I don't care any more, but I will vote, as it is a smidge of individual power, and it will be for the
party that gives a glance at the needy and the blind and the people on the street who 'have' to be
helped, that doesn't mean I think the NDP are the answer to everything, I don't think any party is,
just as you say.

 

[JLM]

Disillusioned, disgusted and fed right up, JLM. I have also had a strong interest in politics all my life, coming as I did from a very political family. Where once I had the hope of youth, I now have little belief that any party of any stripe can truly change things. I believe it is the entrenched bureaucrats that really run our country - provincially or federally - and that the current flavor in government does little more than bend to their wishes.

The way I see it, Mowich, we have three main problems in our country today............DRUGS, DRUGS AND DRUGS. I personally think it would be money well spent if the gov't. spent about 1/4 of its budget concentrating on cleaning up the problem and incarcerating the king pins for many, many years. Pretty soon you'd begin to see all that money come back, in many forms, cheaper health care, lower police costs, lower court costs, lower cost to employers for time loss on the job, fewer accident claims, more beds available in the hospitals for other things, lower insurance costs, lower costs for troubled and abandoned children. The list is just endless, not to mention how much safer our streets would and how much more pleasant life in general would be. But there has to be a leader who is willing to take charge and make the tough decisions. Another benefit would be more people in the work force contributing, instead of drawing welfare.