BC Liberals make gains, but BC NDP still lead polls in Lower Mainland

Corduroy

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Not really

Ya really. You're lashing out. You know how many times you've used the word asshole in your past few posts?

Christy Clark got the boot and John Horgan got put in power. This was completely expected, but it really got to you for some reason. You're flipping out. TenPenny barely said anything to you. Said you were wrong and said you should go back to school. That's a minor insult around here. You've said way worse to other people. But you're shook because of Christy Clark and you're taking it out on TenPenny.
 

JLM

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Accusations? Like accusing you of being wrong, which you were?


Jesus, man, Are you gonna have a stroke because I pointed out that you were wrong?


Guess what? You were wrong.


As anyone who has voted in B.C. knows full well, the Premier calls the elections. We don't suffer arrogance lightly here.

Ya really. You're lashing out. You know how many times you've used the word asshole in your past few posts?

Christy Clark got the boot and John Horgan got put in power. This was completely expected, but it really got to you for some reason. You're flipping out. TenPenny barely said anything to you. Said you were wrong and said you should go back to school. That's a minor insult around here. You've said way worse to other people. But you're shook because of Christy Clark and you're taking it out on TenPenny.


You're dead wrong on all of the above. I spoke nicely to Ten Pen Penny and HE lashed back (with a bit of sarcasm to boot)

Because Christy Clark doesn't have the confidence of the legislature.


BUT MORE CONFIDENCE WITH THE ELECTORATE as the seat count of 43/41 testifies! :) :) I think the electorate trumps the legislature! :) :)
 

Corduroy

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As anyone who has voted in B.C. knows full well, the Premier calls the elections.

Constitutionally the Premier doesn't call elections. In practice, the Premier usually tells the LG to call an election, and so we say the premier calls elections. But in actuality she does not.

You're dead wrong on all of the above. I spoke nicely to Ten Pen Penny and HE lashed back (with a bit of sarcasm to boot)
Hey, I'm not a kindergarten teacher and you ain't a 5 year old.

BUT MORE CONFIDENCE WITH THE ELECTORATE as the seat count of 43/41 testifies! :) :) I think the electorate trumps the legislature! :) :)

Your math is wrong. There are 87 seats in the legislature. 43 + 41 doesn't add up.
 

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Now, isn't that a face that instills confidence? :)
 

JLM

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Constitutionally the Premier doesn't call elections. In practice, the Premier usually tells the LG to call an election, and so we say the premier calls elections. But in actuality she does not.

Hey, I'm not a kindergarten teacher and you ain't a 5 year old.



Your math is wrong. There are 87 seats in the legislature. 43 + 41 doesn't add up.


O.K. - I'll try to explain the above to you. :) I wasn't trying to be technical - the idea of calling the election starts with the Premier.:)
I never delved into what your occupation is and didn't make any assumptions about it. Since I was 5 I've made a trip or two around the block. I know I was born at night but it wasn't last night! :) As far as the Math goes I never thought you were confused about it. But I thought you may have figured out the difference between 84 and 87 is three, coincidentally the exact number seats the Greens won. Hope that clarifies things for you. Have a good day, Sweetie.
 

Corduroy

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O.K. - I'll try to explain the above to you. :) I wasn't trying to be technical - the idea of calling the election starts with the Premier.:)

Well, the Christy Clark advised the Lieutenant Governor to call an election and she didn't, so...



I never delved into what your occupation is and didn't make any assumptions about it. Since I was 5 I've made a trip or two around the block. I know I was born at night but it wasn't last night! :) As far as the Math goes I never thought you were confused about it. But I thought you may have figured out the difference between 84 and 87 is three, coincidentally the exact number seats the Greens won. Hope that clarifies things for you.

Apparently you were born yesterday because you didn't understand that I was being sarcastic. You don't understand how our system of government works and because you're shaken and bitter about the election you refuse to figure it out. I said your math doesn't add because you ignored the Green party seats. Those seats are relevant and if you understood how our democracy works, your argument would fall apart. But you don't want to understand it and I have no patience to explain it to you.
 

JLM

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Well, the Christy Clark advised the Lieutenant Governor to call an election and she didn't, so...





Apparently you were born yesterday because you didn't understand that I was being sarcastic. You don't understand how our system of government works and because you're shaken and bitter about the election you refuse to figure it out. I said your math doesn't add because you ignored the Green party seats. Those seats are relevant and if you understood how our democracy works, your argument would fall apart. But you don't want to understand it and I have no patience to explain it to you.


You don't want to really delude yourself, while I probably don't under all the details of parliamentary procedure I do have a working knowledge of how the system works or more correctly doesn't work. :) I know what a democracy is..............by the people for the people, etc. etc. I was (is) fully cognizant of the role of the splinter party seats. As a side issue I've always found it to be dangerous to try to ass-u-me what another person knows or doesn't know! :) :)
 

Nick Danger

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I can't shake the feeling that we're in for a power struggle that will go on and on and on, and we're going to accomplish SFA in the way of actual governing.
 

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JLM, no premier or PM in Canada has ever called an election. The media sometimes reports it that way but they also always show the PM or Premier heading to visit the GG or LG who actually does the calling. By convention the GG/LG follows the PM/Premier's advice assuming he/she has the confidence of the house. In a non-confidence situation the GG/LG is less required to follow the advice although they can.

Rules are the same in House of Commons and all provincial legislatures. Based upon British parliamentary rules.
 

Corduroy

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I can't shake the feeling that we're in for a power struggle that will go on and on and on, and we're going to accomplish SFA in the way of actual governing.

It's going to be like the Martin-Harper transition. Good times.

You don't want to really delude yourself, while I probably don't under all the details of parliamentary procedure I do have a working knowledge of how the system works or more correctly doesn't work. :) I know what a democracy is..............by the people for the people, etc. etc. I was (is) fully cognizant of the role of the splinter party seats. :) :)

You don't seem to be demonstrating it.

Another election is likely inevitable. They will unlikely ask the 3 seat holding Green's to form the government.

But she could! That's what I think a lot of people don't understand. They're all thinking the Liberals have the most seats so they should govern no matter what. But it only means the Liberals get the first crack at governing. If they can't pull it off, we see if the second largest party can do it, and so on. It rarely happens in Canada, but it happens in other parliamentary democracies all the time, and it isn't an affront to the will of the people.

Like you said, it's unlikely the Lieutenant Governor would ask the Greens to form the government, but she could, and that would be in keeping with the way the system works.
 

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JLM, no premier or PM in Canada has ever called an election. The media sometimes reports it that way but they also always show the PM or Premier heading to visit the GG or LG who actually does the calling. By convention the GG/LG follows the PM/Premier's advice assuming he/she has the confidence of the house. In a non-confidence situation the GG/LG is less required to follow the advice although they can.

Rules are the same in House of Commons and all provincial legislatures. Based upon British parliamentary rules.


Yep, I think some of the confusion is my fault. I've always known the procedure involves the G.G. or the L.G. and officially they do call the election. I'm an old fossil dating back to the WAC(y) Bennett days and there was always speculation about when he (crafty old bastard) was going to 'call' an election and he got it right up until the last one in 1972. When to call the election was the Premier's or P.M.s idea, but of course they had to adhere to the pomp and ceremony. I just get pissed off when some f**king whipper snapper tells me I should go back to school. :) :) :) :)

I can't shake the feeling that we're in for a power struggle that will go on and on and on, and we're going to accomplish SFA in the way of actual governing.


I'm pretty much (99%) certain you are going to be right! It might be interesting to make a game out of it & see who can be closest to calling it right. How long until his demise and what will be the cause! :) :) I'll start out by guessing one year and directly or indirectly the cause will either be tax increases or debt load. For starters there will be about 30,000 public school teachers wanting a raise in pay!
 
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Yep, I think some of the confusion is my fault. I've always known the procedure involves the G.G. or the L.G. and officially they do call the election. I'm an old fossil dating back to the WAC(y) Bennett days and there was always speculation about when he (crafty old bastard) was going to 'call' an election and he got it right up until the last one in 1972. When to call the election was the Premier's or P.M.s idea, but of course they had to adhere to the pomp and ceremony. I just get pissed off when some f**king whipper snapper tells me I should go back to school. :) :) :) :)




I'm pretty much (99%) certain you are going to be right! It might be interesting to make a game out of it & see who can be closest to calling it right. How long until his demise and what will be the cause! :) :) I'll start out by guessing one year and directly or indirectly the cause will either be tax increases or debt load.

It's easy to inflate our way out of taxes and debt, even if that's an even worst alternative. But would you put it past the government to do that?

"We're happy to announce that the Government has wiped out all debt and taxes. Now, did you just say that loaf of bread cost fifty thousand dollars?"
 
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petros

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I don't know why so many are in a panic. With an evenly divided house, the chances of the NDP surviving for more than a month are pretty slim and as JLM like to say (quite often) the sky is still up there. BC Liberals and all that follow are just a bunch of drama queens.
It's a quorum of 3 with Green holding the power with just 3 seats.

Let the games begin.