Baltimore is now going into a state of emergency....

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Is that why a donut shop is being looted as we speak? To get back at the cops?

This no longer is about Gray. Any connect to that no longer exists.

Move along.
 
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Tecumsehsbones said:
What's the world coming to when the cops can't torture somebody without folk getting all upset?
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it's not that the cops weren't wrong, they likely were and I understand that they did not want to ignite things further so they had a passive response at first, it was a thin line but they should have known after Ferguson that there were going to be "issues" on his burial day

the protesters were fine blacks and whites marching side by side but there were already gangs on the periphery screaming n*gger and n*gger lover in order to incite violence...and then everything went downhill from there

this is a neighbourhood just beginning to revitalize and then thuggery breaks out; burning, cutting the fire hose, looting, invites sent out on social media as to where the best place was to loot, that is thuggery

and they tried to protect their own neighbourhoods, they came out and stood their ground

it's a fiasco

but I think in some respects many positives took place last night
 
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petros said:
Is approval of looting genetic?
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I don't know. Is having a stick so far up your rear end that all you can do is isolate one undesirable action out of a complex situation and express your contempt for people genetic?

Sal said:
it's not that the cops weren't wrong, they likely were and I understand that they did not want to ignite things further so they had a passive response at first, it was a thin line but they should have known after Ferguson that there were going to be "issues" on his burial day
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You want to know what happened? This is a common practice in Baltimore, called a "rough ride." The cops take somebody they don't like, cuff him so he/she can't brace, throw him/her into a van with unpadded steel sides, then drive through the city deliberately making sharp turns and sudden stops to damage the person. They've been doing it for decades. They like it because it's not on film, and it can be explained away. Rough riding is the reason the PD recently adopted a procedure that all transportees have to be belted in. They rough rode Freddie Gray because he ran. And they killed him. Which is murder two in Maryland.

the protesters were fine blacks and whites marching side by side but there were already gangs on the periphery screaming n*gger and n*gger lover in order to incite violence...and then everything went downhill from there

this is a neighbourhood just beginning to revitalize and then thuggery breaks out; burning, cutting the fire hose, looting, invites sent out on social media as to where the best place was to loot, that is thuggery

and they tried to protect their own neighbourhoods, they came out and stood their ground

it's a fiasco

but I think in some respects many positives took place last night
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You won't hear much about it in the press. And you won't hear a thing about it on this board, except from our most admirable and beloved Sal.
 
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Tecumsehsbones said:
You want to know what happened? This is a common practice in Baltimore, called a "rough ride." The cops take somebody they don't like, cuff him so he/she can't brace, throw him/her into a van with unpadded steel sides, then drive through the city deliberately making sharp turns and sudden stops to damage the person. They've been doing it for decades. They like it because it's not on film, and it can be explained away. Rough riding is the reason the PD recently adopted a procedure that all transportees have to be belted in. They rough rode Freddie Gray because he ran. And they killed him. Which is murder two in Maryland.
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Yes I have been wondering what happened. I didn't know what rough riding was...how terrible...what an awful way to die, tragic for him and his family


You won't hear much about it in the press.
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Robert Ballantyne...is the man of the hour and the face that the youth need to see and the mouth that they need to listen to.

And there are many, many more such as 300 men march that saved stores and helped the injured
 
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Yes I have been wondering what happened. I didn't know what rough riding was...how terrible...what an awful way to die, tragic for him and his family
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See, that's the thing. The cops say "we aren't sure what happened." The press says "He was OK when they put him in the van and parallyzed and dying when they took him out." The PD says "the officers violated protocol by not belting him in." The police union says "Tragic accident. He shouldn't have run from the cops." And readers all over the world say "It's very unfortunate what happened, and perhaps the police were too harsh, but nothing justifies the rioting." But folk around here know they roughrided Freddie Gray to death. The cops know it. The people in Freddie Gray's neighborhood know it. The only people in Baltimore who don't know it are possibly the mayor and the rich folk who never knew or forgot that roughriding is the Baltimore PD's preferred method of dealing with people they don't like. The people in Freddie Gray's neighborhood also know that they can write letters all day every day, and they will receive no action from the city or state. That's one component of why they riot. There are others, but put very simply, if you teach the poor that the only way they will get the attention of the powerful is to riot, they will riot.
 
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See, that's the thing. The cops say "we aren't sure what happened." The press says "He was OK when they put him in the van and parallyzed and dying when they took him out." The PD says "the officers violated protocol by not belting him in." The police union says "Tragic accident. He shouldn't have run from the cops." And readers all over the world say "It's very unfortunate what happened, and perhaps the police were too harsh, but nothing justifies the rioting." But folk around here know they roughrided Freddie Gray to death. The cops know it. The people in Freddie Gray's neighborhood know it. The only people in Baltimore who don't know it are possibly the mayor and the rich folk who never knew or forgot that roughriding is the Baltimore PD's preferred method of dealing with people they don't like. The people in Freddie Gray's neighborhood also know that they can write letters all day every day, and they will receive no action from the city or state. That's one component of why they riot. There are others, but put very simply, if you teach the poor that the only way they will get the attention of the powerful is to riot, they will riot.
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I know it's a systemic issue and has been rebuilding for decades, it simmers down but then boils again..watching TV last night was like watching the riots on TV when I was a kid..makes one feel physically sick.

I didn't know what rough riding was. That simply can not happen.

I do believe the rioters were a splinter group, and many came from out of town like they did in Ferguson. It did not take long though for social media to bring waves and waves of youth back out onto the street to get "free stuff"...and why oh why would they burn down an old age home half constructed...they were stealing from themselves...they don't get it.

I don't know what the answer is but it has to come from within the black community because those kids won't listen to anyone that they do not perceive as their own.

What should have happened here TB?
 
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Sal said:
I know it's a systemic issue and has been rebuilding for decades, it simmers down but then boils again..watching TV last night was like watching the riots on TV when I was a kid..makes one feel physically sick.

I didn't know what rough riding was. That simply can not happen.

I do believe the rioters were a splinter group, and many came from out of town like they did in Ferguson. It did not take long though for social media to bring waves and waves of youth back out onto the street to get "free stuff"...and why oh why would they burn down an old age home half constructed...they were stealing from themselves...they don't get it.

I don't know what the answer is but it has to come from within the black community because those kids won't listen to anyone that they do not perceive as their own.

What should have happened here TB?
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Well, of course "what should have happened" should have happened decades ago. And any corrective measures they take now will probably take years to filter down to the street knowledge level.

But the single thing that could most serve to calm people down would be for a city official to acknowledge the history of rough riding, say that this case is being investigated as an instance of rough riding, and promise charges if that proves to be the case.

Of course, if they do that, the police, in high dudgeon that someone dares question them, will stop enforcing the law, just like in New York.

So, the usual. Community policing, conflict de-escalation training, rationalizing and coordinating the city, state, and Federal welfare systems. All the stuff that isn't going to happen, because first and foremost the police and the mayor and the governor are not going to admit that roughriding is a standard Baltimore PD tactic.
 
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