Baird Lambasts Proponents of Palestinian UN Bid

[petros]

How do you know what the people of those nations feel and how they'd choose to vote?

To go back a little I want to hear more about the necessity of "lebensraum". Is that why China is in Tibet? Are you this outraged and tilted over Tibet?

 

[mentalfloss]

Linear thought........

If a democracy is the representation of the will of the people,

And if the majority of the votes cast in the UN do not represent the will of the people because the state casting them is non-democratic,

Then the UN is not a democratic institution.

The relationship of a state to its people does not need to be democratic in order for that state's relationship with other states to be democratic.

To make it a bit easier for you to digest, it's like the dictatorial relationship you have with your kids before you casting your ballot.

A democracy of states cannot exclude some states just because they aren't democratic themselves.

 

[Colpy]

How do you know what the people of those nations feel and how they'd choose to vote?

To go back a little I want to hear more about the necessity of "lebensraum". Is that why China is in Tibet? Are you this outraged and tilted over Tibet?

They may agree with their masters....more likely they do not....................

don't get me started on China....in other words, yes.

The relationship of a state to its people does not need to be democratic in order for that state's relationship with other states to be democratic.

To make it a bit easier for you to digest, it's like the dictatorial relationship you have with your kids before you casting your ballot.

A democracy of states cannot exclude some states just because they aren't democratic themselves.

Bull****.

When the vote cast does not represent the people, it means nothing.......it expresses only the opinion and the will of the tyrants that rule.

The UN is obviously a organization of anti-democratic tyrants.

we should get the hell out.

Interesting that you would compare the mass of the people to children, that need to be led and educated about truth justice and the correct way of thinking..........a typically lefty viewpoint

 

[mentalfloss]

Bull****.

When the vote cast does not represent the people, it means nothing.......

If that were true then Baird and co. should not be able to cast a vote.

 

[Colpy]

If that were true then Baird and co. should not be able to cast a vote.

Hmmm....feeling a little cornered???

Baird is part of the legitimately elected government of Canada.

deal with it.

 

[mentalfloss]

Hmmm....feeling a little cornered???

Baird is part of the legitimately elected government of Canada.

deal with it.

Well, that's not necessarily the case. We all know proportional representation as an electoral process is more democratic than plurality.

That is besides the point.

Mr. Baird is a member of the party in power representing the state however it was elected. Despite the fact that our electoral process is not perfectly democratic, they are still given the right to vote on the basis that Canada is acknowledged as a "state".

Similarly, despite the fact that many states are not democratic, they are given the right to a U.N. spot.

Yes, this includes all of those wacky despots!

Like I said.

Welcome to democracy. If it was elitism, we wouldn't let everyone in.

 

[DaSleeper]

The UN is obviously a organization of anti-democratic tyrants.

we should get the hell out.

Interesting that you would compare the mass of the people to children, that need to be led and educated about truth justice and the correct way of thinking..........a typically lefty viewpoint

And typically Elitist.....

 

[mentalfloss]

And typically Elitist.....

I know.. that one of a kind elitism that only allows for a select group of members to be included in the U.N.

That..

That is the definition of elitism, isn't it?

Right.. That's what I thought..

*cue big hearty gut laugh*

 

[DaSleeper]

I know.. that one of a kind elitism that only allows for a select group of members to be included in the U.N.

That..

That is the definition of elitism, isn't it?

Right.. That's what I thought..

*cue big hearty gut laugh*

Nope...was thinking more along the lines of people who think they are superior to others eg. the liberal party being the "Natural governing party" mostly...the way condescending people on the left think...:lol:

 

[petros]

They may agree with their masters....more likely they do not....................

What makes you feel they don't agree? 5:1 is a pretty heavy ratio against an ongoing occupation is it not?

Now this is left/right? Where is the substance?

 

[mentalfloss]

..the way condescending people on the left think...:lol:

That's just what people on the right tend to say.

 

[petros]

Speaking of elitism how do you get democracy from a two class theoracy?

 

[mentalfloss]

Speaking of elitism how do you get democracy from a two class theoracy?

You kick out the communist regimes.

That's why the U.N. would be sooooo much more democratic without the membership of China.

At least that's what an elitist bird told me once.

 

[petros]

You kick out the communist regimes.

That's why the U.N. would be sooooo much more democratic without the membership of China.

At least that's what an elitist bird told me once.

Birds beware....it's only days from hunting season.

 

[mentalfloss]

I hope we all learned something today.

Something tells me it will fall on deaf ears though.

 

[petros]

I have learned.

1. Two class societies are democratic
2. Lebensraum is an excuse to occupy a territory and demoralize it's people
3. God is confused
4. Democracy is wrong
5. Sun worship is good and
6. Elitism is good if you're the elite

How about you?

 

[mentalfloss]

I learned that one of the main criteria for UN admission of a state is that the state must be "peace loving".

The criteria for admission of new members are set out in the United Nations Charter, Chapter II, Article 4, as follows:[3]

1. Membership in the United Nations is open to all other peace-loving states which accept the obligations contained in the present Charter and, in the judgment of the Organization, are able and willing to carry out these obligations.
2. The admission of any such state to membership in the United Nations will be effected by a decision of the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_the_United_Nations

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[petros]

Is blowing the **** out of Libya, backing al Qaeda, and allowing a nation to fall under Sharia law peace loving?

We must not be peace loving if Canada lost it's seat on the council?

 

[mentalfloss]

No, but if we were as lucky as the U.S., we could be permanent members either way.

 

[earth_as_one]

I see no reason for the Israelis to sign any peace agreement with the Palestinians while the status quo allows them to expand their borders into land supposedly reserved for a future Palestinian state.

The current situation would be like two people negotiating over sharing a glass of water... while one person drinks is drinking the water. The longer they negotiate, the more water one person drinks. Negotiations will be pointless after all the water has been drank. Palestinians understand this concept, even if Israeli apologists don't.

No one can seriously believe Israelis have any intention of negotiating a fair and just settlement with Palestinians while they can continue expanding their settlements onto Palestinian land. Anyone who claims they can't see the unfairness, is being dishonest.

The Palestinian papers prove that Abbas was willing to accept every Israeli demand. He accepted the borders as per the location of the walls. He accepted handing over all Palestinian land with the Israeli settlements to Israel. He was even willing to deny millions of Palestinians the right to return to the region. He agreed to allow Israel to control Palestine's borders. He agreed to no military or army... He agreed to every Israeli demand... in exchange for a small increase in money for himself and limited increase political autonomy. Bascially Abbas conceded to every Israeli demand, the Israelis still refused to agree. Why would they agree to a negotiated peace, when never ending negotiations allow them to continue taking Palestinian land???