B.P.'s Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill Thread (it's all here).....

[EagleSmack]

Odd thread, when Obama himself opened up more areas to drilling just recently, although he has called for a moratorium until someone actually understands the risks involved.

It is an odd thread since Obama just opened up more Alaskan and Virginian coast line for drilling. And there isn't a big uproar because conservatives think there should be more drilling for domestic oil. The part that should be considered odd is the silence of environmentalist or at least the media ignoring their cries. I guess they feel their guy has enough heat on him.

But one only needs to see who the OP is and realize it is not that odd at all. :lol:

 

[Praxius]

Well the OP is correct in his view... the only people I hear using the slogan "Drill baby drill" these days are dentists.

The political parties only use slogans like that during election times, because usually by the time an election comes around, many things have royally screwed up and people want a change for the better, they want fixes to their problems..... so political parties use little quips like the drilling comment to give the public this impression that they have the answers, they're so simple and they're going to do it..... AKA: A quick fix filled with empty promises.

And if they stick to their promises, then you eventually see how little they thought about the issue or how to properly implement it, and something like this oil spill happens, or the public finds that they just had more of their money spent on something useless with very little return.... then they go to another election, the political party that lost last time tosses out more slogans and promises without thinking ahead.... and the wheel comes full circle and do it all over again.

 

[Praxius]

Nobody even had time to start any new drilling, this well that blew up was 2 year old. Just that it did so at a convenient time for those who are against oil drilling in pristine areas and would like to see it all stopped. Maybe Obama was hoping for just something like this to happen in order to do what he really wants to do and that is get us off oil sooner than what other would like. He would like to stop oil consumption today.

Ah-Ha!

See... Bush was responsible for 9/11 to start his wars, and Obama was responsible for this oil spill to start his environmental programs. Soon everybody's car will be powered by the whole family pulling the car back 10 feet and jumping in as it drives off like a toy car. :lol:

 

[YukonJack]

The following quotes are from the OP by SirJosephPorter:

"Well, if you elevate somebody to the status of demi God, he is invariably going to disappoint you."

Imagine the surpise of all the dolts who thought tha Obama woould pay their mortgage, car payments, groceries and their children's education, when they realized that Obama not only can not do that but would never do that.

"Conservatives have a childlike, Fundamentalist faith in big business, in free enterprise, in Wall Street. They regard Wall Street as some kind of demi God of democracy."

Democrats/liberals have an unfailing (but historically proven to be false) faith in large, the larger the better, Government.

"Anyway, it would be interesting to see if we still continue hearing ‘drill, baby, drill!’, So far there has been a deafening silence on that front."

Republicans had the slogan: "Drill here, drill now".

Meanwhile the Democratic Congress and the Democratic President have absolutely no problem with Chinese and Venezuelans drilling in ythe Gu;f of Mexico.

 

[FreeQuebec]

It was not so long ago that conservative Republicans were chanting this slogan in unison. They made an issue of it in the 2008 election (and lost). Strangely enough, we haven’t heard much of this slogan lately.
Conservatives have a childlike, Fundamentalist faith in big business, in free enterprise, in Wall Street. They regard Wall Street as some kind of demi God of democracy.

Wall Street and the Federal Reserve are home to the largest scum on the planet, and also are the worst forms of banking imaginable.

Well, if you elevate somebody to the status of demi God, he is invariably going to disappoint you. A few years ago Republicans had this bright idea of privatizing Social Security. Their argument was that average citizen can invest the money in stock market and make much more that what he would get from the government.

Republicans just cater to the rich, and give a big middle finger to the poor.

Fortunately for Americans, Democrats put a stop to that. If Republicans had privatized Social Security, it is easy to see what would have happened. A few years ago stock market fever was running at it peak, DOW was at 14,000. Most people would have invested their Social Security money in stock market, only to see it plunge and their assets evaporate. Mob psychology being what it is, they would have sold off near the bottom, when DOW was 7000. Today most people would be without any Social Security money (or with very little in their Social Security account).

Yes. That is what they want. A nation of slaves with a small % of elites that have all the money.

So whether privatizing Social security or drilling without any restrictions, without any safeguards, Republicans have a childlike faith in free markets, an extreme position. Free market is still the best wealth generating engine invented. However, it is like a wild beast. It must be contained, regulated so that it doesn’t get out of hand.

I'd say they are more greedy and evil then childish, but their slogans are definitely childish.

Anyway, it would be interesting to see if we still continue hearing ‘drill, baby, drill!’, So far there has been a deafening silence on that front.

Why can't we switch to hemp fuel? Oh wait, because that would be environmentally sound and actually renewable.

 

[EagleSmack]

Republicans just cater to the rich, and give a big middle finger to the poor.

By giving a middle finger you mean not wanting to fund every single program that allows people who should be working the opportunity to stay at home, in government housing, food stamps and free medical.

Yes. That is what they want. A nation of slaves with a small % of elites that have all the money.

Like the Kennedy's, and Kerry's (husband of a Heinz family heiress), and every other liberal trust fund holder whose never had to work a day in their life and feel that tossing scraps to the poor exonerates them.

 

[MHz]

The cap of $75 million applies to damages claimed by individuals and governments. Lost wages by fishermen, etc etc.

It has nothing to do with cleanup costs, which BP is on the hook for.

I wouldn't be so sure, BP may well pay for the cleanup but you can be sure their Lawyers are going to be looking for ways to recoup those lost revenues. This could be one of their 'ways out'.

Despite plan, not a single fire boom on hand on Gulf Coast at time of oil spill | al.com
Despite plan, not a single fire boom on hand on Gulf Coast at time of oil spill

 

[JLM]

Wall Street and the Federal Reserve are home to the largest scum on the planet, and also are the worst forms of banking imaginable.



Republicans just cater to the rich, and give a big middle finger to the poor.



Yes. That is what they want. A nation of slaves with a small % of elites that have all the money.




I'd say they are more greedy and evil then childish, but their slogans are definitely childish.



Why can't we switch to hemp fuel? Oh wait, because that would be environmentally sound and actually renewable.

As I've said about 47 times here and much of those to a poster on here who has a problem diseminating logic human traits can not be departmentalized according to political beliefs. WHAT is so difficult about that simple concept?

 

[FreeQuebec]

By giving a middle finger you mean not wanting to fund every single program that allows people who should be working the opportunity to stay at home, in government housing, food stamps and free medical.

I agree with moving against a welfare state, but let's be realistic. Very few people have the brains/willpower/starting capital to become really rich. Sure some can, but the majority can't.

Even if they worked, they will only be making around minimum wage, and living like that is horrible. It is like living in squalor. Government programs that help the poor out are fine, but I agree that just making them live on welfare and not work is no good.

Like the Kennedy's, and Kerry's (husband of a Heinz family heiress), and every other liberal trust fund holder whose never had to work a day in their life and feel that tossing scraps to the poor exonerates them.

True. But Republicans and Democrats neither seem to really help out the common man.

 

[FreeQuebec]

As I've said about 47 times here and much of those to a poster on here who has a problem diseminating logic human traits can not be departmentalized according to political beliefs. WHAT is so difficult about that simple concept?

Surely though that unrestricted private banks give greedy people the ability to exploit others? Politics is just a venue for negative human emotions then.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

It is an odd thread since Obama just opened up more Alaskan and Virginian coast line for drilling.

Obama may have opened up more areas for drilling (and I assume he will have second thoughts in view of the latest disaster). However, Republicans wanted to open up Alaskan wilderness for drilling, which was a contentious issue in the last election.

And there isn't a big uproar because conservatives think there should be more drilling for domestic oil. The part that should be considered odd is the silence of environmentalist or at least the media ignoring their cries. I guess they feel their guy has enough heat on him.

There was a big uproar when Bush and Republicans wanted to open up Alaskan wilderness for drilling. If Republicans had their choice, Alaska would resemble Mordor today.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

"Conservatives have a childlike, Fundamentalist faith in big business, in free enterprise, in Wall Street. They regard Wall Street as some kind of demi God of democracy."

Democrats/liberals have an unfailing (but historically proven to be false) faith in large, the larger the better, Government.

If the government had been doing its job, if Republicans did not give permission to BP to drill without any safeguards, without any safgety precautions, this mess would not have happened.

Whether it was the economic meltdown or the disaster by BP, both have the same origin. It is the inability (on philosophical grounds) of Republican government to do what was needed, to put in the proper safeguards in the place, whether on Wall Street or for drilling.

As CNN reported, the MMS (that is the agency responsible for giving BP permission to drill) waived all kinds of safeguards and gave BP the permission to go ahead and drill. Republicans were really taking their own rhetoric ('drill, baby, drill') to heart.

Republicans had the slogan: "Drill here, drill now".

Meanwhile the Democratic Congress and the Democratic President have absolutely no problem with Chinese and Venezuelans drilling in ythe Gu;f of Mexico.

Republicans also had the slogan 'drill, baby, drill'.

 

[AnnaG]

If the government had been doing its job, if Republicans did not give permission to BP to drill without any safeguards, without any safgety precautions, this mess would not have happened.

Whether it was the economic meltdown or the disaster by BP, both have the same origin. It is the inability (on philosophical grounds) of Republican government to do what was needed, to put in the proper safeguards in the place, whether on Wall Street or for drilling.

As CNN reported, the MMS (that is the agency responsible for giving BP permission to drill) waived all kinds of safeguards and gave BP the permission to go ahead and drill. Republicans were really taking their own rhetoric ('drill, baby, drill') to heart.

Republicans also had the slogan 'drill, baby, drill'.

:roll:Ugh. Then bad, we good.

 

[YukonJack]

SirJosephPorter, according to you, anything that happened under the Bush Administration is Bush's fault.

Therefore, anything that happened, happens or will happen under the Obama Administration was, is and will be Obama's fault.

Unless, of course, it is Bush's fault.

 

[Avro]

I'd like to know what the the drilling folk plan to do when the earth is sucked dry and we have created one environmental disaster after another.

Just curious.:-?

 

[Avro]

SirJosephPorter, according to you, anything that happened under the Bush Administration is Bush's fault.

Therefore, anything that happened, happens or will happen under the Obama Administration was, is and will be Obama's fault.

Unless, of course, it is Bush's fault.

Everything that did happen under Bush was his fault.

 

[YukonJack]

Without using his/her brains, just to be ignorant, Avro opined:

"Everything that did happen under Bush was his fault."

Forgetting to mention, or willingly deny that everything that happens in the Obama administration is Obama's fault.

Of course, for people with limited intelligence (i.e. liberals) EVERYTHING is Bush's fault.

 

[Avro]

Without using his/her brains, just to be ignorant, Avro opined:

"Everything that did happen under Bush was his fault."

Forgetting to mention, or willingly deny that everything that happens in the Obama administration is Obama's fault.

Of course, for people with limited intelligence (i.e. liberals) EVERYTHING is Bush's fault.

I didn't mention it because I wasn't asked.

But yes, everything that happens under Obama is his fault.

So people with limited intelligence think that everything under Bush wasn't his fault.

 

[TenPenny]

If the government had been doing its job, if Republicans did not give permission to BP to drill without any safeguards, without any safgety precautions, this mess would not have happened.

My understanding is that the well in question did (and does) have a BOP on it.

 

[JLM]

SirJosephPorter, according to you, anything that happened under the Bush Administration is Bush's fault.

Therefore, anything that happened, happens or will happen under the Obama Administration was, is and will be Obama's fault.

Unless, of course, it is Bush's fault.

Hey Y.J. You don't really think you are going to educate these morons????????? :lol::lol::lol: