Attawapiskat in the news again...

[#juan]

A fire, apparently started by a candle, caused another serious housing shortage in Attawapiskat: This time, roughly 70 people are being flown to Kapuskasing because their homes were destroyed by fire.



Attawapiskat flights for homeless underway after fire - Sudbury - CBC News

 

[SLM]

It's beyond time for a permanent solution here. Put in the damn road or rail line, get the housing up to code, or it's just going to happen again and again and again.

 

[CDNBear]

Part of the problem is that they live in modular trailers, and they're all connected like an townhouse complex, without the fire code construction.

 

[#juan]

I use the term homes very loosely. These trailers were originally meant for working crews at the diamond mine. The water supply is unreliable, as is the sewer system. There are only four or five toilets and a couple showers to serve the whole trailer compound.

 

[bill barilko]

It's beyond time for a permanent solution here. Put in the damn road or rail line, get the housing up to code, or it's just going to happen again and again and again.

And who is going to pay the billions and billions to build & maintain a road through the swamp to that dump in the frozen bush?

Have you ever looked @ a map to see where they are?

If they want to live in the middle of nowhere that's their business just don't ask the rest of Canada to finance their existence.

 

[CDNBear]

If they want to live in the middle of nowhere...

LOL. That's a funny one.

Are all you retired millionaire salmon poachers as funny?

 

[Walter]

Time for fatty to have another hunger strike.

 

[SLM]

LOL. That's a funny one.

Are all you retired millionaire salmon poachers as funny?

With some people you have to go right back to the basics, every time.

 

[BruSan]

It's beyond time for a permanent solution here. Put in the damn road or rail line, get the housing up to code, or it's just going to happen again and again and again.

Problem number two coming at you will be after you perform all of that infrastructure improvement you'll have to go back up there in a couple of years and do it all over again.


Other reserve experience would tell you they would rather tear out their walls to burn in stoves than stop drinking or glue sniffing to go cut firewood. Build a row of houses over the span of a couple of years of government paid (you and I) contractors going up there and you can bet your last penny that they'll be going back up in less than five years to start at the front of the row all over again.


One contractor I know personally told a story of an entire shipment of studs being flown in and left on skids intended for house building being chain-sawed into stove sized lengths. By the time the contractors arrived they had no lumber to use so got to sit on their hands on our dime until another few plane loads of studs could be shipped up at horrendous costs.


We pay for this crap over and over again with no responsibility being required on their part for their stupid behaviour.


Seem sensible to you?

 

[lone wolf]

Problem number two coming at you will be after you perform all of that infrastructure improvement you'll have to go back up there in a couple of years and do it all over again.


Other reserve experience would tell you they would rather tear out their walls to burn in stoves than stop drinking or glue sniffing to go cut firewood. Build a row of houses over the span of a couple of years of government paid (you and I) contractors going up there and you can bet your last penny that they'll be going back up in less than five years to start at the front of the row all over again.


One contractor I know personally told a story of an entire shipment of studs being flown in and left on skids intended for house building being chain-sawed into stove sized lengths. By the time the contractors arrived they had no lumber to use so got to sit on their hands on our dime until another few plane loads of studs could be shipped up at horrendous costs.


We pay for this crap over and over again with no responsibility being required on their part for their stupid behaviour.


Seem sensible to you?

Sensible would understand a fire can happen to an uppity bigot too.

 

[BornRuff]

Problem number two coming at you will be after you perform all of that infrastructure improvement you'll have to go back up there in a couple of years and do it all over again.


Other reserve experience would tell you they would rather tear out their walls to burn in stoves than stop drinking or glue sniffing to go cut firewood. Build a row of houses over the span of a couple of years of government paid (you and I) contractors going up there and you can bet your last penny that they'll be going back up in less than five years to start at the front of the row all over again.


One contractor I know personally told a story of an entire shipment of studs being flown in and left on skids intended for house building being chain-sawed into stove sized lengths. By the time the contractors arrived they had no lumber to use so got to sit on their hands on our dime until another few plane loads of studs could be shipped up at horrendous costs.


We pay for this crap over and over again with no responsibility being required on their part for their stupid behaviour.


Seem sensible to you?

I think a lot of the problems with the upkeep of homes goes back to the fact that nobody actually owns the homes. The people who live there don't own the place and there is no landlord who has ownership either.

Most of the waste seems to come from constant patchwork solutions, such as sending people up every now and then to build a few homes. They need a long term sustainable plan in place.

 

[bill barilko]

Problem number two coming at you will be after you perform all of that infrastructure improvement you'll have to go back up there in a couple of years and do it all over again.


Other reserve experience would tell you they would rather tear out their walls to burn in stoves than stop drinking or glue sniffing to go cut firewood. Build a row of houses over the span of a couple of years of government paid (you and I) contractors going up there and you can bet your last penny that they'll be going back up in less than five years to start at the front of the row all over again.

Never ever trust a glue sniffer a gas huffer or a crack addict they will burn you (and themselves and everyone around them) every. single. time.

One contractor I know personally told a story of an entire shipment of studs being flown in and left on skids intended for house building being chain-sawed into stove sized lengths. By the time the contractors arrived they had no lumber to use so got to sit on their hands on our dime until another few plane loads of studs could be shipped up at horrendous costs. We pay for this crap over and over again with no responsibility being required on their part for their stupid behaviour.

Sadly I've heard similar stories from all across the country.

Y'kmow I once read a book about paleolithic types like these -about their consciousness.

Their mindset and mythology is so tied up in the land they're on that in a sense they become part of the land they've lived on since forever if you remove them they generally perish.

Now I don't know how many of you are familiar with Kapuskasing but I know it well-a worse place for sensitive types I couldn't imagine-why send them there?

Aren't we destroying them?

What do they want apart from shirts, shoes and a warm place to sh!t?

Is there any feel for the land left at all or are they lost in the most abject kind of 'existence' imaginable?

 

[karrie]

Seem sensible to you?

Seems like racist overgeneralization to me.



I've seen the kind of 'deconstruction' you talk about as the norm, as what 'they' will do..... It occurs in a small percentage of homes. I've also seen it in 'white trash', with poor trailer parks being pretty indiscernible from reserves.

Sensible would understand a fire can happen to an uppity bigot too.

ESPECIALLY, since the snobbier the neighbourhood, the more tightly packed it seems to be. Honestly, I could almost jump from roof to roof in my new neighbourhood. The houses are packed way closer than they were when we lived in a trailer park.

 

[Angstrom]

/yawn.
This is going nowhere.

 

[CDNBear]

/yawn.
This is going nowhere.

It never does.

 

[DaSleeper]

I guess the friendship centre will be busy.
After all the past floods a few of the people have decided to stay permanently. Maybe more will come to the same decision.
I'm sure they don't find the -24c we have this morning as cold as I do.
It's sad to see the conditions they have to live in, in Attawapiskat...

 

[petros]

Send up a sawmill and nails.

 

[BruSan]

Send up a sawmill and nails.

Why? They were supposedly culturally equipped to live there before we came along and wish for nothing but us to leave them alone EXCEPT ~ keep sending money!


I suggest we give them their wish; except for the money part.


Racist, bigot, yep! I fit all the common descriptors but have yet to collect unemployment or any other government assistance package AND should my home burn down I'll rebuild it myself without holding out my hand to anyone else with a "pity me" look on my face.


I once sat on a beach in Guadaloupe and expressed sympathy for the native kids begging fruit from the cruise ship occupants sunning themselves. Our neighbouring sunbathers suggested quite forcefully "don't waste your sympathy, they don't need it but instead tell them there's a better island they can swim to".


The speaker was a doctor from New York who had stowed away on a boat from Haiti when he was 14.


His admonishment was: "if people truly want a better life for themselves they'll stop with the begging and start with the walking".


All you nice bleeding heart types have made them what they are today "dependants" living in squalor and seemingly content to do so. How's that been working for them so far?


With your faux moral superiority castigating bigots and racists; at least YOUR conscience is doing fine, eh?

 

[BornRuff]

Send up a sawmill and nails.

That has actually been proposed by more than a few people, but the first nations people are actually not allowed to log the areas around the reserves.

 

[Liberalman]

Time for a land claim settlement.