At least 2,250 of Canada’s veterans are homeless due to alcoholism, drugs and mental

JLM

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Boy are you out to lunch.

It has a great deal to do with being a veteran.

You're seeing ignorance at its finest R.C.S. My one uncle was a total Zombie upon returning after the War, he just walked the streets and didn't sleep for days on end and even worse he wouldn't talk about it. Of course he was alcoholic for the rest of his days.
 

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You can take solace in the fact that your not the first poster here that is in over his head. That's why you now have to make it about me instead of what I said. No worries, I'm used to it around here.

He simply challenged your ineptness. It is you making it about you.
 

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Not all take in homeless, and many are locked up in the evening..

The USA has Union Gospel Missions, I don't think Canada does..

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Various churches in Canada take part in the Out of the Cold program, providing the homeless a warm, dry place to sleep in the winter.

What is the cause of the self medicating?
Mental/emotional illness. PTSD for one and probably the most prevalent. PTSD if left unchecked can become bi-polar disorder. Depression is another. I don't mean those down times we all have, I mean chronic, clinical depression.


If you're talking about the general public, then there's any number of reasons. My father didn't drink until the day his first wife died. Then there's bi-polar disorder not brought on by PTSD, schizophrenia and the rest of the mental/emotional illnesses, and then of course there's serious physical injuries.
 

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Various churches in Canada take part in the Out of the Cold program, providing the homeless a warm, dry place to sleep in the winter.

Mental/emotional illness. PTSD for one and probably the most prevalent. PTSD if left unchecked can become bi-polar disorder. Depression is another. I don't mean those down times we all have, I mean chronic, clinical depression.


If you're talking about the general public, then there's any number of reasons. My father didn't drink until the day his first wife died. Then there's bi-polar disorder not brought on by PTSD, schizophrenia and the rest of the mental/emotional illnesses, and then of course there's serious physical injuries.

I'm well aware of the ins and outs of mental health. I'm looking deeper.

Although I can't speak from combat experience I can speak of experiences where you have to have every sense in tune or you or a buddy are toast in horrific ways.

Its a huge dopamine rush and it's the most addictive drug you'll ever find and I loved every minute of it.

If I had a wad of cash and was trying to fill that void I can understand trying to seek it out from drugs and booze.
 

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Various churches in Canada take part in the Out of the Cold program, providing the homeless a warm, dry place to sleep in the winter.

Mental/emotional illness. PTSD for one and probably the most prevalent. PTSD if left unchecked can become bi-polar disorder. Depression is another. I don't mean those down times we all have, I mean chronic, clinical depression.


If you're talking about the general public, then there's any number of reasons. My father didn't drink until the day his first wife died. Then there's bi-polar disorder not brought on by PTSD, schizophrenia and the rest of the mental/emotional illnesses, and then of course there's serious physical injuries.

They say the "Black Dog" is one of the worst. Winston Churchill and Zane Grey suffered from it.
 

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I'm well aware of the ins and outs of mental health. I'm looking deeper.

Although I can't speak from combat experience I can speak of experiences where you have to have every sense in tune or you or a buddy are toast in horrific ways.

Its a huge dopamine rush and it's the most addictive drug you'll ever find and I loved every minute of it.

If I had a wad of cash and was trying to fill that void I can understand trying to seek it out from drugs and booze.
It's not a dopamine thing when it comes to mental illness. It's a pain killing thing. The idea is to numb yourself, you're not looking for that high or that rush so much as looking to feel as little as possible.

They say the "Black Dog" is one of the worst. Winston Churchill and Zane Grey suffered from it.
Well, they do say that the gift of genius comes with the curse of mental illness. Not all forms are debilitating mind you, like OCD, but if you look at the greatest minds in history, you'll see some serious bats in the belfry in a lot of them. Although I'm not sure if Zane Grey falls into the category of great minds but that's only because I'm unfamiliar with his work, outside of the fact he wrote Westerns.
 

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It's not a dopamine thing when it comes to mental illness. It's a pain killing thing. The idea is to numb yourself, you're not looking for that high or that rush so much as looking to feel as little as possible.

Well, they do say that the gift of genius comes with the curse of mental illness. Not all forms are debilitating mind you, like OCD, but if you look at the greatest minds in history, you'll see some serious bats in the belfry in a lot of them. Although I'm not sure if Zane Grey falls into the category of great minds but that's only because I'm unfamiliar with his work, outside of the fact he wrote Westerns.

Probably about 60 of them. I've read most of them, some of them twice. Possibly one of the greatest American authors. He had a mind like a trap for vivid details.
 

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I can personally speak for mild PTSD. Certain triggers will spark what I call irrational fear. My rational mind will tell me there is nothing to fear, yet my heart rate, breathing, etc. will react in a fight-or-flight response, an adrenaline rush for no rational reason other than interacting with someone who triggers the memory.

Strangely enough, the memories in my case are neither visual nor auditory but purely emotional, and I've had this experience since as far as I can remember, which might explain the lack of visual or auditory memory. In other words, a memory of an emotional response.

It can be so intense as to make me break things mainly as a way to release the emotional tension. For example, if I happen to have a CD in my hand at the time, I might squeeze it by purposely jamming the edge into my palm, the physical pain helping to distract from my emotional state. Luckily a CD isn't sharp enough to cut before it breaks, or I was lucky it didn't break in such a way as to cut the palm. On one occasion I'd broken a watch strap in my hand not by pulling it apart, but literally by squeezing it beyond its bending point where it connected to the watch. My joints were in pain for a minute or so after that due to the pressure on the palm, but it served to distract from the emotion. Physical pain becomes a welcome distraction from the emotional.

Otherwise my entire body tenses up.

Luckily in my case, only one particular person can spark such an intense episode. In my interactions with most people, it's rare that I have an episode at all, and if I do, I think I can hide it for the most part by forcong a smile and trying to act as normal as possible. It's like an emotional disconnect, feeling the adrenaline rush inside me while pretending to be happy on the outside.

I'll never experience this when alone. Instead, when alone, I might experience a sudden bout of depression, and that's when addictive compulsion sets in. Whatever release I should choose to escape that feeling can quickly hook me like a drug, whether it's alcohol (which I have not used in years), compulsive Web surfing, or any other escape. Whichever is the latest habit is the one I'll turn to each time the depression sets in.

The good news is that I can usually try to direct the habit towards a more contructive habit, but I always have to be particularly conscious of not slipping back into old habits when in the depressive state. The good news is that my depressive states are usually controllable through appropriate distractions. But for me. I find habit, tegularity, predoctability, routine all help to prevent me from feeling the temptation to turn to unhealthy habits which all fall into the category of distraction either by numbing the mind (e.g. alcohol, Web surfing), inflicting physical pain, providing a rational outlet for the adrenaline (rock climbing), or providing another emotional distraction (whether listening to music, read poetry, or seek emotional interaction).

And my therapist described this as mild PTSD possibly combined with mild OCD and mild BPD (though he couldn't confirm the latter since some symptoms of PTSD can sometimes look like OCD and BPD). I'd hate to know what a hard case of PTSD feels like.
 

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Take away the staggering levels of dopamine of combat and guess what you have? A junkie in need of a fix.
Add in the absolute horrors of war and guess what else you have? A human being trying to kill the pain.

Probably about 60 of them. I've read most of them, some of them twice. Possibly one of the greatest American authors. He had a mind like a trap for vivid details.
Ah, so he was a prolific writer. That could certainly fit the profile for sure.
 

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Take away the staggering levels of dopamine of combat and guess what you have? A junkie in need of a fix.

Narcotics can trigger the release of dopamine or alternatively provide a similar chemical themselves.

What many don't know is that certain process addictions (gambling, gaming, compulsive sexual activities, and daredevil activities like rock climbing can also trigger dopamine. In that sense, process (aka behavioural) addictions are also chemical addictions by other means, the chemical in question being that produced by the brain, the behaviour being the fix.
 

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Boy are you out to lunch.

It has a great deal to do with being a veteran.

We never saw this abundance of homeless peacetime veterans because they weren't coming back with severe cases of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. The substance abuse and mental health issues are directly impacted by that and Veterans Affairs Canada under the watch of the Federal Conservatives and their Liberal predecessors who are both to blame for allowing this to happen.

How? By the changes to the pension act that give an injured soldier a payout and then cutting them loose. This was brought in by the Liberals, and the Conservatives, always looking to save a buck, did nothing to change it.

Read: The New Veterans Charter, which came into effect in 2006, was established by Veterans Affairs Canada to meet the needs of "new" veterans, especially those who have served in Afghanistan. The assumption is that these veterans have different needs from those who served in the Second World War and Korea or with United Nations peacekeeping missions. The charter provides an earnings loss benefit, a financial award and other allowances to veterans who have been assessed as having a service-related disability. It replaces the Pension Act, which provided these benefits to "traditional" veterans under a different legal structure. The single biggest difference is that the charter offers a one-time lump-sum disability award, whereas the Pension Act offered a monthly tax-free pension for life and a survivor benefit.


I remember a while back when some of our men and women did their decompression in Ceylon after coming out of A-stan, a small group of "do-gooders" didn't like the idea that the soldiers would get their combat pay, some as much as $5,000 apparently, and then spend it all or most of it Ceylon blowing off steam. It's galling to think some pinheads would have the nerve to tell a combat veteran how he or she should spend their time and money while decompressing. Then they go and pull that sh*t you mentioned.
I seriously hate what the govts of Canada have become over the years. It doesn't matter whether it's Liberal or Conservative, the only difference in who's f*cking the veterans (and the rest of us for that matter) is the colour of the tie they're wearing. When you're getting hooped, it doesn't really matter what the party's ideology is at that point.
 

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and your point is?

I'm sorry, I forgot that I needed to dumb it down for you. Let me try again. The rates of veteran homelessness may be (if you believe the oft quoted stats) less than the rest of society. Considering the nature of the job, that would throw into question the idea that the government is not doing a good job dealing with veterans. Personally, I think the government is doing a pisspoor job of dealing with the homeless regardless of their background but that's another issue
 

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I'm sorry, I forgot that I needed to dumb it down for you. Let me try again. The rates of veteran homelessness may be (if you believe the oft quoted stats) less than the rest of society. Considering the nature of the job, that would throw into question the idea that the government is not doing a good job dealing with veterans. Personally, I think the government is doing a pisspoor job of dealing with the homeless regardless of their background but that's another issue

Yeah, I guess when a person runs into problems it's up to the "Government" to run to their aid and make things all better! :)
 

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Yeah, I guess when a person runs into problems it's up to the "Government" to run to their aid and make things all better! :)

You're silly. I don't expect the government to run to anybody's aid. I expect them to get out of the way. I was more than willing to help my wife, when her dementia was undiagnosed and she was spiralling downward. I was prevented from doing so.
 

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Yeah, I guess when a person runs into problems it's up to the "Government" to run to their aid and make things all better! :)

Trying to do everything for everyone would bankrupt the Government very quickly. Making sure they know how to help themselves is another matter. Requiring that ingredients be labeled on food products was a good idea. Tobacco-packaging laws are a good idea, especially information on where to get help.

I don't know if it's the same on alcohol bottles lottery tickets (since I don't buy them), but why not regulate those the same way as tobacco, ensuring people know where to seek help? The same with greater restrictions on adult websites.

Right now, any 12-year-old can just click that he's 18. Research already shows that pornography is addictive, affecting dopamine receptors in the brain. So why not require Internet providers to make porn opt-in? Why not regulate the advertizing of sexual services more strictly.

Korean research has shown even non-sexually related Internet use and gaming to be addictive. Why not require search sites like Google.com to advertize screen-blocking apps and information on Internet addiction?

In all of these cases, the matter would not be to prohibit it, but simply to inform the buyer that what he is buying can be highly addictive and that if addiction is what is compelling him to buy the peoduct, where he can turn for help.

Some might talk of nanny-statism, but I'd rather help a person help himself before he ends up on the street than to help him off of the street after the fact.

This is not to say we should help people off of the street, but common sense would suggest that if through proper advertizing laws we can educate people on how to help themselves as we do with tobacco advertizing laws, that that would be an economically efficient way of keeping people off of the street.
 

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Narcotics can trigger the release of dopamine or alternatively provide a similar chemical themselves.

What many don't know is that certain process addictions (gambling, gaming, compulsive sexual activities, and daredevil activities like rock climbing can also trigger dopamine. In that sense, process (aka behavioural) addictions are also chemical addictions by other means, the chemical in question being that produced by the brain, the behaviour being the fix.

Zachary!!!
 

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They should hang that picture in the recruiting places so the wannabees can see their true future.
This is a wannabee........not the ones who join....