At least 10 killed after shooting during 'Dark Knight' screening in Colorado

[L Gilbert]

Your last post, colpy, borders on the irrational. Nothing to answer there.

Yours, SLM, is just the snide sniping that I wrote of. Nothing there, either. What I posted was not opinion; it was fact. The only argument that could be made is that times have changed and the Right to bear has been expanded to a Right to carry..

By the freakin Supreme Court, not by any politics (which you claimed). Politics can't change Supreme Court decisions on what the Constitution says.
"Ah, whatta maroon" - B. Bunny

Um, specifically, you said, "The Second Amendment does not give any unrestricted Right to carry guns. Only political calculations allow that."

Yes, as if any founding fathers anticipated the kind of weapons seen today. But if one plays the absolutist ideology in relation to the Constitution then one should be ok with others possessing Tomahawk cruise missiles too.

WOuldn't be that many. Too expensive, too easy to track, too freakin heavy to carry, too bulky to bring into play quickly enough, etc.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

By the freakin Supreme Court, not by any politics (which you claimed). Politics can't change Supreme Court decisions on what the Constitution says.
"Ah, whatta maroon" - B. Bunny

Um, specifically, you said, "The Second Amendment does not give any unrestricted Right to carry guns. Only political calculations allow that."

WOuldn't be that many. Too expensive, too easy to track, too freakin heavy to carry, too bulky to bring into play quickly enough, etc.

Is it too much for you to grasp that the Supreme Court mad a Constitutional interpretation. It did nit grant a new Right and it has no power to do that.

Its interpretation was wrong and was purely a political calculation from a politicised Court - as the American Supreme Courts a;ways are.

There are very few Constitutional scholars who will not say that the decision was wrong and was political. What it was is fear of the clout of the BRA and of what the money behind the Arms industry could do to more principled politicians and judges.

 

[EagleSmack]

Is it too much for you to grasp that the Supreme Court mad a Constitutional interpretation. It did nit grant a new Right and it has no power to do that.

Exactly right. They made an interpetation and a confirmation. That is why I have the Right to Bear Arms... or carry. It has always been a right of Americans to bear arms and the SJC correctly confirmed it.

Its interpretation was wrong and was purely a political calculation from a politicised Court - as the American Supreme Courts a;ways are.

They were exactly correct in their ruling when the Second Ammendment was challenged.

There are very few Constitutional scholars who will not say that the decision was wrong and was political. What it was is fear of the clout of the BRA and of what the money behind the Arms industry could do to more principled politicians and judges.

Oh please. Your creativity and imagination is foolish. And the people that challenge are supported by political groups that want to trample on the rights of Americans and the Constitution.

 

[gerryh]

There are very few Constitutional scholars who will not say that the decision was wrong and was political. What it was is fear of the clout of the BRA and of what the money behind the Arms industry could do to more principled politicians and judges.

Ok, then there should be no problem for you to cite these dissenting opinions by all these american constitutional scholars and put and end to this discussion. Right?

 

[Cabbagesandking]

Ok, then there should be no problem for you to cite these dissenting opinions by all these american constitutional scholars and put and end to this discussion. Right?

You can do it yourself by simply looking at the transcripts and checking the citations and authorities. There is no mystery about it. The power of the NRA and its backers is all that says it is a Right.

Why do you think that in no other country with an inheritance of British Common Law there is not even an argument that it is a Right.

 

[Colpy]

Is it too much for you to grasp that the Supreme Court mad a Constitutional interpretation. It did nit grant a new Right and it has no power to do that.

Its interpretation was wrong and was purely a political calculation from a politicised Court - as the American Supreme Courts a;ways are.

There are very few Constitutional scholars who will not say that the decision was wrong and was political. What it was is fear of the clout of the BRA and of what the money behind the Arms industry could do to more principled politicians and judges.

Whatta Maroon!

Of course the Court does not grant rights.....rights exist apart from courts or governments, who can only recognize them....or not.

For the Court to have decided against Heller, they would have had to pretend they were incapable of reading the English language, a skill you have taken to new and amazing heights....not being able to read, I mean.

You claim to have studied the Constitution, and specifically the Second Amendment, and you claim to be familiar with the opinions of Constitutional scholars. Yet your assessment of those same scholars is completely incorrect. I would bet you are absolutely unaware that in constitutional circles, the interpretation of the Second Amendment as an individual right has been known as the "standard" interpretation for decades prior to the DC vs Heller decision. That would be because the vast majority of scholars can read, and recognize the Bill of Rights in general, and the Second Amendment in particular, guarantee ONLY individual rights. Likewise, the incorrect idea that the Second Amendment guaranteed some collective right was known as the "non-standard" interpretation.

As I pointed out before, you are a dullard and a liar.

Or, as Bugs put it,
Whatta Maroon!!!!

 

[Cabbagesandking]

You need to purge your mind, Colpy, and make room for some reality.

First, I did not say "specifically yhe Second amendment." Not that it matters but I have better things to do than devote myself to the reasons that Americans (and wannabe cowboys) like to play with live ammunition and take satisfaction in murdering each other.

Standard and non-standard is quite irrelevant. I have pointed out to you that every other Common Law country makes laws to restrict gun ownership and that there are no challenges because they would be futile.

That is what America has: a Constitution grounded in Common Law with the same provision that appeared in every other country with the same derivation for its laws and Constitution. There is no inalienable Right to gun ownership and the carrying of guns. The very idea is an absurdity and could only be held in a lawless society where government does not have the capacity to fulfil its purpose of making the society safe for its citizens.

Government is not about the "Pursuit of happiness ( a particular silly concept) where happiness is achieved by encouraging mayhem. It is not about setting up the conditions for a rebellious rabble to follow any demagogue, like Nazi Germany, and overthrow it. Government is about governing in the interests of the whole citizenry: of, as expressed in the Canadian Constitution, "Peace, Order, and Good Government."

Not as exciting but fact, history, and the only way a state can run. America is basically the same in practise, but falls down in this fear of a powerful body within its citizens.

 

[spaminator]

Accused Colorado gunman James Holmes' computer used to search 'rational insanity'
Keith Coffman, Reuters
First posted: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:30 PM EDT | Updated: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:36 PM EDT
CENTENNIAL, Colo., - A computer belonging to accused gunman James Holmes, who claims he was insane when he shot dead 12 Colorado moviegoers last year, contained an internet search for the term "rational insanity," a police officer testified on Thursday.
The revelation came during testimony by Aurora Police Detective Michael Leiker at an evidentiary hearing for Holmes, who faces possible execution if convicted of the rampage that also left 70 others wounded or injured.
However, Leiker said he could not say for certain that the onetime University of Colorado neuroscience graduate student was the one who entered the search term, its context, or when it was done.
Thursday's hearing centered on a defense motion to bar Leiker and others who extracted data from Holmes' computers, smartphones and other devices from testifying at the murder trial, which is scheduled to begin in February.
"Admission of unreliable evidence and opinion testimony would not only violate the rules of evidence but also Mr. Holmes' constitutional right to due process of law under the state and federal constitutions," his public defenders said in a written motion.
Holmes, 25, is charged with multiple counts of first-degree murder and attempted murder for opening fire in a suburban Denver cinema last July during a midnight screening of the Batman film "The Dark Knight Rises."
The California native has pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity, and his lawyers have said in court filings that their client was "in the throes of a psychotic episode" when he went on the rampage.
Under Colorado law, prosecutors must prove a defendant who invokes an insanity defense was not insane at the time of the crime.
Holmes underwent a court-ordered sanity examination over the summer, but the results have not been made public.
Shackled and unshaven, Holmes was more animated on Thursday than he has been in previous hearings, smiling as he talked with one of his lawyers in the courtroom.
Arapahoe District Court Judge Carlos Samour Jr. said at an earlier hearing that court staff will mail out jury summonses to 6,000 county residents.
The judge also said in an order this week that prospective jurors should expect to serve from six to eight months, and jury selection alone could take up to three months.
Another series of pretrial hearings are scheduled to resume next week.
Accused Colorado gunman James Holmes' computer used to search 'rational insanity' | World | News | Toronto Sun

 

[WLDB]

hmm, interesting development. I was wondering what was going on with that case. I havent heard anything about it since last year.

 

[SLM]

Not to put to fine a point on it, but WTF is "rational insanity"? Lol.

 

[JLM]

Not to put to fine a point on it, but WTF is "rational insanity"? Lol.

That covers people like me. We think we know what we're doing! Generally expressed as "a method to our madness".-

 

[spaminator]

Drawing of serial-killer game found in Colorado theater shooter’s apartment
Keith Coffman, Reuters
First posted: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 08:10 PM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 08:22 PM EDT
CENTENNIAL, Colo. - A search of accused Colorado theatre gunman James Holmes’ booby-trapped apartment after he was arrested on charges of killing 12 moviegoers uncovered a drawing of a game involving a serial killer, a homicide detective testified on Wednesday.
Detective Thomas Wilson said a page from a spiral notebook found in a backpack in Holmes’ apartment contained a drawing that depicted “a maze game ... a serial killer and a downtown Denver address.” He did not elaborate on the drawing.
The disclosure came on the final day of a series of hearings on what evidence should be admissible in the onetime neuroscience graduate student’s murder trial, scheduled to begin in early February.
Holmes, 25, is charged with first-degree murder and attempted murder for opening fire inside a cinema in the Denver suburb of Aurora during a midnight viewing of the Batman movie “The Dark Knight Rises” in July 2012.
Holmes has pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity to the shooting, which killed 12 and hurt 70 others, and his lawyers have described their client as mentally ill and say he was psychotic when he went on the shooting spree.
Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty if he is convicted. Public defenders have filed a flurry of pleadings seeking to have nearly all the evidence amassed against Holmes precluded from trial.
Wednesday’s hearing centered on a defense motion arguing that police did not have probable cause to search Holmes’ apartment without a warrant.
Prosecutors contend Holmes told police that his apartment was rigged with explosives, making it necessary to break in to avoid a massive explosion that threatened responding officers and the public.
Arapahoe County District Court Judge Carlos Samour Jr. said he would issue written rulings on the suppression motions. A series of pretrial hearings involving death penalty motions are scheduled for December.
Defense lawyers said in court documents that they plan to file motions never “litigated before in the state of Colorado“ relating to capital punishment and mental illness.
Holmes underwent a court-ordered sanity examination over the summer after he invoked the insanity defense. The results have not been publicly released.
Drawing of serial-killer game found in Colorado theater shooter’s apartment | Home | Toronto Sun

 

[spaminator]

'Joker' raises concern for Colorado theatre shooting massacre families
Reuters
Published:
September 24, 2019
Updated:
September 24, 2019 7:03 PM EDT
LOS ANGELES — Families involved in a 2012 movie theatre mass shooting in Colorado have asked the studio behind “Joker” to help lobby for gun reform, expressing concern about the film’s portrait of a mental breakdown that leads to violence.
In a letter to Warner Bros, the families of some of the victims also urged the company to end any political contributions to candidates who take money from the National Rifle Association (NRA) and to fund gun violence intervention programs.
The letter does not ask for the movie to be withdrawn. But it says, “with great power comes great responsibility. That’s why we’re calling on you to use your massive platform and influence to join us in our fight to build safer communities with fewer guns.”
The letter, seen by Variety and other Hollywood industry outlets, comes before “Joker,” starring Joaquin Phoenix as the Batman comic book villain, opens in U.S. movie theatres on Oct. 4.
The movie won the top award at the Venice film festival in September and has won plaudits for its disturbing depiction of a social outcast who wreaks terrifying violence. Box office analysts expect it to take about $70 million-$80 million at the North American box office on its opening weekend.
Warner Bros said on Tuesday that it had a long history of donating to victims of violence, including those in the Colorado shooting. The movie studio added in a statement that its parent, telecommunications company AT&T Inc, had recently joined other business leaders in calling for legislation to address the issue of mass shootings in the United States.
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“Neither the fictional character Joker, nor the film, is an endorsement of real-world violence of any kind. It is not the intention of the film, the filmmakers or the studio to hold this character up as a hero,” the statement added.
Twelve people were killed and 70 were wounded in 2012 during a midnight movie theatre showing of “The Dark Knight,” also about the Joker character, in Aurora, Colorado, by a lone gunman who is now serving multiple life sentences.
“When we learned that Warner Bros was releasing a movie called ‘Joker’ that presents the character as a protagonist with a sympathetic origin story, it gave us pause,” said the letter, dated Sept. 23 and signed by five men and women.
One of those signatories, Sandy Phillips, told the Hollywood Reporter in an interview that he feared that even one person who is “on the edge, who is wanting to be a mass shooter, may be encouraged by this movie. And that terrifies me.”
Phoenix and “Joker” director Todd Phillips have defended the film against suggestions that it may encourage violence.
“I think we all are aware of these issues and we’re concerned, and I think that’s why we talk about it. I don’t think that we can be afraid to talk about it,” Phoenix told entertainment website IGN in an interview earlier this week.
http://variety.com/2019/film/news/aurora-victims-gun-violence-joker-1203347159
http://fortune.com/2019/09/24/aurora-dark-knight-shooting-joker-warner-bros-letter
http://ign.com/articles/2019/09/23/joker-dangerous-movie-joaquin-phoenix-todd-phillips-interview
http://torontosun.com/news/world/jo...r-colorado-theatre-shooting-massacre-families

 

[Walter]

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